Double_R: You forgot to apply your own definition, in particular, self interest.
self-interest vs greed was another example of a word that exists only to add moral judgement to an amoral concept.
Trade is amoral, quid pro quo describes the exact same interaction but since it is only used in situations where the trade is immoral the use of the word brings moral implications.
The message Biden delivered wasn’t Biden’s personal wishes, it was
official US policy. Everyone from all of the intelligence agencies to
Obama himself was on board with this. In the story that you are trying
to pass off as a smoking gun,
So if Trump had replaced the intelligence agencies and cabinet with actual loyalists who went along with anything he said instead a bunch of snakes would that mean there was no self-interest? It was a smoking gun because there is no legitimate reason for the US to stop investigations into companies where Hunter just happened to be inexplicably employed.
Double_R: Biden recounted telling Ukraine “call
him”. Him being the President. Because as you may or may not be aware,
the Vice President does not have the authority to stop payments to a
foreign ally.
So you call the president because the president has the authority to stop payments to a foreign ally? *taps chin*
Double_R: What’s more, this wasn’t just the US that wanted
this, it was the entire western world. The reason Shokin was well known
was for his corruption. Specifically, for not investigating corruption. The international community was well aware of this.
So Shokin didn't investigate corruption, he just investigated giant corporations where the sons of US high officials were inexplicably employed.... doesn't quite fit does it? How about some recordings from before the shit hit the fan?
Double_R: Which brings us to Burisma, the supposed reason Biden did all this
according to those accusing him. Except Burisma wasn’t being
investigated at that time because Shokin already shut it down, so there
was nothing for Biden to be concerned about here.
Wrong:
JOHN SOLOMON: Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma’s owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General’s office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma
announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.
Double_R: Meanwhile, what Trump was looking for was entirely personal and he was using the power of his office to achieve it.
All the knives cut both ways. Biden wasn't protecting his son, he just hated corruption? Well then Trump just hated corruption. If Biden's motivation couldn't have been to shut down an investigation because the investigation wasn't very active, then how is it that Trump was motivated to go after Biden when no one really thought he would be the presidential nominee?
After carefully sifting through many possible interpretations the only one that makes any sense is that Biden was protecting Hunter in his demand, and when Biden bragged about it that made Trump angry at the open corruption thus the request for an investigation.
Double_R: The transcript demonstrated clearly all of this, and it is clear to
anyone who understands how language works that out wasn’t a request.
Hardly, and we have more than the transcript we have the audio.
Double_R: One of Zalensky’s advisors who left government steward gave an interview
on it and made clear that they all understood what Trump wanted.
Assuming that's true he wouldn't be alone. Randos in the Whitehouse, Vindman said the same thing. Surely there couldn't be ulterior motivations for those statements right? Why would we ever look deeper than surface motivations right?
... on that subject why do you think Zalensky said there was no quid pro quo?
Double_R: These two scenarios are not comparable.
Yet I continue to compare them. Is there nothing I cannot do? *thunder rumbles*
Greyparrot: Come to think of it...it really does seem like Trump rigged a reverse
Jan 6 on the FBI by instigating a horrendous act for the sake of optics.
Trump's informant waved in those FBI better than Ray Epps ever did.
Not impossible.
IwantRooseveltagain: Only an idiot would cite the Epoch Times in a discussion about any serious matter.
Behold the inevitable result of all appeals to authority.
oromagi: I had a good friend who caught her uncle fucking his poodle in his
study. She was supposed to just be a guest for few days but she
blackmailed her uncle (a local judge) into 4 years tuition and rent
provided that he never own another pet.
badger is right, you posted that exact story before... and thank you badger for spreading it around anyone you scare off with that doesn't have enough objectivity to carry on a useful dialogue.