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an informant told the government that Trump had classified material in his possession.
There are some on the left that think Trump planted an informant because of how fast he was to respond to the raid, as if he knew it was coming, he even had a political ad ready after the raid.

Trump gets another few years of free media.
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Come to think of it...it really does seem like Trump rigged a reverse Jan 6 on the FBI by instigating a horrendous act for the sake of optics. Trump's informant waved in those FBI better than Ray Epps ever did.
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Feels like reproach, being that DDO is gone. He is 10 years writing this bullshit. He debated it extensively on DDO and to wider audience. He'd have posts on his profile by dumbass kids treating him like some dog-fucking Jesus. He had a gallery of furry art. He's posted 50 weird as shit animal sexuality facts in his 300 posts here. 

This guy is fucking his dog. 
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@Public-Choice

Epoch Times is far below any acceptable standard for sourcing political info.

The Epoch Times is a newspaper written and edited by Falun Gong cult members behind a walled 400 acre complex in upstate New York.  Members are rarely permitted to communicate with the outside, the may not have jobs or family or friends outside of the complex.  Members may not use the internet or email.  Sexual relations are arranged by leadership. Members are generally prohibited from seeking medical attention from outside.

Although Epoch Times reprint plenty of legit AP and Reuters reporting they are entirely unreliable in their own reporting (for example, no cult member would be allowed to interview Merrick Garland or member of DoJ for these stories).


The Epoch Times is an international, multi-language news media company in print and online. The Epoch Times was first published in New York in April 2000 (in Chinese only) and the online edition in August 2000. In 2003, The Epoch Times launched an online edition in English, printing as a newspaper in New York in 2004.  The Epoch Times was founded by John Tang and a group of Chinese-American Falun Gong practitioners. The Epoch Times publishes in 21 languages in 35 countries across five continents. Their focus topics include sections for world and national news, op-eds, sports, entertainment, business, arts and culture, travel, and health.

On December 20, 2019,  Facebook took down more than 600 accounts connected to The Epoch Times. According to an NBC News report, “The network was called ‘The BL’ and was run by Vietnamese users posing as Americans, using fake photos generated by algorithms to simulate real identities. The Epoch Media group, which pushes a variety of pro-Trump conspiracy theories, spent $9.5 million on ads to spread content through the now-suspended pages and groups.”

In review, The Epoch Times covers straight news reporting through journalists and low-biased syndication through the Associated Press and Reuters. However, when reporting on China, they do reflect a strong anti-communism bias. The Epoch Times also uses loaded language that favors the right, such as Why Media Organizations Can’t Let Go of the Fake Russia-Collusion Narrative.
Editorially, there is an extreme Pro-Trump bias. Almost all articles praise Trump or denigrate the left, such as these Democratic Party: A Broken Kaleidoscope? and Five Reasons Trump’s Celebration of America Was Epic Display of Patriotism. According to an NBC News report, the “outlet has spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months (2020), according to data from Facebook’s advertising archive — more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself, and more than most Democratic presidential candidates have spent on their campaigns.”
In general, straight news reporting is sourced and mostly low-biased; however, op-eds 100% favor the right with some promoting conspiracy theories. During the Coronavirus outbreak and the 2020 Presidential election, they have promoted misinformation. See failed fact checks below.
Failed Fact Checks
Further, the Epoch Times frequently publishes pseudoscience news, such as Supernormal Abilities Developed Through Meditation: Dr. Dean Radin Discusses. They also publish false claims from Pseudoscience and anti-vaccination activist Joeseph Mercola who has a long track record of publishing misinformation. Finally, the above referenced NBC News report states, “In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the “deep state engineered the drug epidemic,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the same “Spygate” cabal is a front for a global pedophile ring being taken down by Trump.”

Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories, as well as numerous failed fact checks



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Feels like reproach, being that DDO is gone. He is 10 years writing this bullshit. He debated it extensively on DDO and to wider audience. He'd have posts on his profile by dumbass kids treating him like some dog-fucking Jesus. He had a gallery of furry art. He's posted 50 weird as shit animal sexuality facts in his 300 posts here. 

This guy is fucking his dog. 
I had a good friend who caught her uncle fucking his poodle in his study.  She was supposed to just be a guest for few days but she blackmailed her uncle (a local judge) into 4 years tuition and rent provided that he never own another pet.
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Epoch Times is far below any acceptable standard for sourcing political info.
Only an idiot would cite the Epoch Times in a discussion about any serious matter.

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I remember you writing that. This dude's overton window and philosophy about truth is all to the end of fucking his dog. His every single post is ugly for it. 

I think. 
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shoot, am I repeating stories?  I am getting old.
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Another cool old fuck like FLRW, oro. You're Dart's Gladiator. 
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Former president, while having illegal documents in his possession (illegality confirmed by his top lawyer on retainer), stores them in his home safe (on the advise of his attorney). Probable cause?


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Sooo guilty until proven innocent?
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  "I think Merrill Garland, the Judge, the FBI are all smart enough - and have all been alive since 2016 - to understand that if one is going to start a political shitstorm by raiding a former president"

I would not think anyone in the FBI is smart enough to not start a political shit storm. They lost all credibility with their stupid Russia hoax BS. The documents they are most likely looking for are about them, The FBI. If  nothing turns up but some BS meaningless document unrelated to anything and Trump doesn't get prosecuted and go to jail, the FBI is done for. It will have to be abolished and everyone fired from the top to the bottom. It will have no credibility and be proved to be a weaponized arm of the Democrat Party to go after anyone who doesn't play ball with the Democrats. This reeks of desperation by the Whitehouse and the FBI. That's my opinion based on all that I have seen and heard.

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Sooo guilty until proven innocent?
Just like Hilary?

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Double_R: You forgot to apply your own definition, in particular, self interest.
self-interest vs greed was another example of a word that exists only to add moral judgement to an amoral concept.

Trade is amoral, quid pro quo describes the exact same interaction but since it is only used in situations where the trade is immoral the use of the word brings moral implications.


The message Biden delivered wasn’t Biden’s personal wishes, it was official US policy. Everyone from all of the intelligence agencies to Obama himself was on board with this. In the story that you are trying to pass off as a smoking gun,
So if Trump had replaced the intelligence agencies and cabinet with actual loyalists who went along with anything he said instead a bunch of snakes would that mean there was no self-interest? It was a smoking gun because there is no legitimate reason for the US to stop investigations into companies where Hunter just happened to be inexplicably employed.


Double_R: Biden recounted telling Ukraine “call him”. Him being the President. Because as you may or may not be aware, the Vice President does not have the authority to stop payments to a foreign ally.
So you call the president because the president has the authority to stop payments to a foreign ally? *taps chin*


Double_R: What’s more, this wasn’t just the US that wanted this, it was the entire western world. The reason Shokin was well known was for his corruption. Specifically, for not investigating corruption. The international community was well aware of this.
So Shokin didn't investigate corruption, he just investigated giant corporations where the sons of US high officials were inexplicably employed.... doesn't quite fit does it? How about some recordings from before the shit hit the fan?


Double_R: Which brings us to Burisma, the supposed reason Biden did all this according to those accusing him. Except Burisma wasn’t being investigated at that time because Shokin already shut it down, so there was nothing for Biden to be concerned about here.
Wrong:



JOHN SOLOMON: Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma’s owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General’s office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017

Double_R: Meanwhile, what Trump was looking for was entirely personal and he was using the power of his office to achieve it.
All the knives cut both ways. Biden wasn't protecting his son, he just hated corruption? Well then Trump just hated corruption. If Biden's motivation couldn't have been to shut down an investigation because the investigation wasn't very active, then how is it that Trump was motivated to go after Biden when no one really thought he would be the presidential nominee?

After carefully sifting through many possible interpretations the only one that makes any sense is that Biden was protecting Hunter in his demand, and when Biden bragged about it that made Trump angry at the open corruption thus the request for an investigation.


Double_R: The transcript demonstrated clearly all of this, and it is clear to anyone who understands how language works that out wasn’t a request.
Hardly, and we have more than the transcript we have the audio.


Double_R: One of Zalensky’s advisors who left government steward gave an interview on it and made clear that they all understood what Trump wanted.
Assuming that's true he wouldn't be alone. Randos in the Whitehouse, Vindman said the same thing. Surely there couldn't be ulterior motivations for those statements right? Why would we ever look deeper than surface motivations right?

... on that subject why do you think Zalensky said there was no quid pro quo?


Double_R: These two scenarios are not comparable.
Yet I continue to compare them. Is there nothing I cannot do? *thunder rumbles*


Greyparrot: Come to think of it...it really does seem like Trump rigged a reverse Jan 6 on the FBI by instigating a horrendous act for the sake of optics. Trump's informant waved in those FBI better than Ray Epps ever did.
Not impossible.


IwantRooseveltagain: Only an idiot would cite the Epoch Times in a discussion about any serious matter.
Behold the inevitable result of all appeals to authority.


oromagi: I had a good friend who caught her uncle fucking his poodle in his study.  She was supposed to just be a guest for few days but she blackmailed her uncle (a local judge) into 4 years tuition and rent provided that he never own another pet.
badger is right, you posted that exact story before... and thank you badger for spreading it around anyone you scare off with that doesn't have enough objectivity to carry on a useful dialogue.
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When was Hillary ever charged with a crime, investigated for a crime or have her personal home raided by the FBI? I see no comparison in your response.
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Why would we accept the assertions of an anonymous blog before Bloomberg's reporting, which is not anonymous and subject to layers of gatekeeping and factchecking?

Did you even read all those addendums and editor's corrections at the end of this opinion piece?

  • Since Blue Star Strategies has never had a board of directors, Solomon is making shit up when he claims Biden served on that board
  • Solomon failed to reveal that Shokin's 2019 statement was made at the request and in the presence of DiGenova & Toensing, two lawyers who were employed by Rudy Giuliani AND Russian Organized Crime Boss Dmitri FIrtash AND John Solomon himself.  Doesn't Solomon's connection to Trump and the Russian Mob disqualify him from expressing an objective opinion on Hunter Biden?  Why didn't the author at least disclose these connections at the time of his writing except to that he knew such info would discredit him as a reliable source?
  • "The U.S., the European Union and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists pushed for the ouster of Shokin; the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Shokin in 2016. "
  • After completing  that full investigation that Zelensky promised Trump in 2019, Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor cleared both BIdens of  any violation of Ukrainian law.




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Why would we accept the assertions of an anonymous blog before Bloomberg's reporting, which is not anonymous and subject to layers of gatekeeping and factchecking?

Did you even read all those addendums and editor's corrections at the end of this opinion piece?

  • Since Blue Star Strategies has never had a board of directors, Solomon is making shit up when he claims Biden served on that board
  • Solomon failed to reveal that Shokin's 2019 statement was made at the request and in the presence of DiGenova & Toensing, two lawyers who were employed by Rudy Giuliani AND Russian Organized Crime Boss Dmitri FIrtash AND John Solomon himself at the time of the statement.  Doesn't Solomon's direct connection to Trump and the Russian Mob disqualify him from expressing an objective opinion on Hunter Biden?  Why didn't the author at least disclose these connections at the time of his writing except that he knew such info would discredit him as a reliable source?
  • "The U.S., the European Union and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists pushed for the ouster of Shokin; the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Shokin in 2016. "
  • After completing  that full investigation that Zelensky promised Trump in 2019, Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor cleared both BIdens of  any violation of Ukrainian law.


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When was Hillary ever charged with a crime,
  • No investigation ever found evidence that a crime had been comitted.

investigated for a crime
  • I think there were 7 large scale investigations total and few little ones.  All concluded that Clinton had deliberately violated security practices.  If she was still Sec of State, thy probably would have recommended that she be fired, but none found any evidence that any crime had been committed.

or have her personal home raided by the FBI?
  • Well that kind of raid on any citizen is only approved if investigators can show probable cause of a serious felony for which evidence would likely disappear.  Since Hillary's server had already been moved to a raised floor environment (just down the street from me) two years before the investigation and investigators had full access from the start, its not likely any raid would have seemed necessary.  There was a subpoena that Clinton complied with 100% so it seems likely  that multiple investigation teams did walkthroughs of the Clinton's basements, at least.  Such info would not likely be made public.


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Why would we accept the assertions....
Bla bla bla, "we" you speak only for yourself. If you want to believe the screenshots were photo-shopped there is nothing I can do to stop you. "we" don't trust your sources and you don't trust "our" sources: impasse. Observe:


Since Blue Star Strategies has never had a board of directors, Solomon is making shit up when he claims Biden served on that board
Why would "we" accept the assertions of Karen Tramontano, who would under the working theory be a cog in a shell company who has nothing to gain from telling the truth and everything to fear.

Solomon failed to reveal that Shokin's 2019 statement was made at the request and in the presence of DiGenova & Toensing....
So he made it long after the fact, at a point when it was clear what way the political chips had fallen.... if we can dismiss all statements that fall into that category we can dismiss all that noise RR was talking about with "everybody knew Shokin was corrupt", nobody (to my knowledge) ever said that publicly before saying so would be helpful to Biden and the deep-state.
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There is also another theory that the Democrats did the raid knowing it would help Trump get elected so that they didn't have to lose  to DeSantis.

The evidence for that is the DNC funding pro-Trump candidates with Democrat donor money.

There is evidence for Trump planting an informant due to the fact that he had a full production political ad ready to roll in response immediately, so it clearly was not a surprise raid.

Do you think either of these or possibly both are true?
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I've been watching Fox News a lot these past few days and their reactions are predictably insane lol. 

A law professor pundit they had on yesterday was arguing that this is a horrible precedent because now future presidents may be worried about their legal liability lolol I shit you not that was his actual argument. It's at the 4 minute mark. "Do you think President Biden is going to be worried now about how HE acts and what kind of documents he's gonna keep?" Um... I certainly hope so 😄

Then these dumb asses on The Five today were saying things like "Why weren't his lawyers allowed to see what was going on?" Oh you mean they weren't allowed to preside over the collection of top secret documents they have no security clearance for? Lol I can't take these people. They should just ignore it and pretend the whole thing never happened. These reactions are dumb. Like dumb dumb. 
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Trae Crowder said it best, even stealing my quip "immune to irony and allergic to self-awareness" to describe trumpkins. I forgive him! 
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I laughed out loud at "Do you even care?" @ Eric. The internet is such a gem. 

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Bla bla bla, "we" you speak only for yourself
Doubtful.  I assume anybody interested in the truth prefers  Bloomberg to anonymous as a source of factual claim.  Anonymous claims are almost always anonymous for a fucked up reason.

Why would "we" accept the assertions of Karen Tramontano,
Because the editor at the mostly reliable "The Hill" tells us to.  No editor with a reputation to maintain would report that there was no board of directors for Biden to have joined unless he confirmed that easily confirmable fact.  Editors don't like to correct their contributors' false statements, even opinion articles and you can be confident that all four corrections here were more carefully researched than Solomon's claims.

So he made it long after the fact,
You are deliberately missing the point. 

Obviously, the fact that the claim was made by lawyers working for Putin discredits the claim.
Obviously, the fact that the claim was made by lawyers working for Trump discredits the claim.
Obviously, the fact that the claim was made by lawyers working for the author discredits the claim.

The fact that those lawyers were working for all three simultaneously strongly suggests collusion between all three employers.
The fact that Solomon reported a claim when he obviously knew that it had been manufactured on behalf of Trump and/or Putin is scandalous.
The fact that Solomon did not disclose how proximate his interests lie to that collusion should discredit Solomon as a source of truth on any subject ever.



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When was Hillary ever charged with a crime, investigated for a crime or have her personal home raided by the FBI? I see no comparison in your response.
Hillary was investigated by the FBI and accused publicly by Trump and dozens of Republicans. 

Was Trump charged with a crime? Aren’t all people innocent until they are investigated, searched by authorizing a warrant and crimes are determined to have taken place? This is how the process works.





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Sooo guilty until proven innocent?
"LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!" 😂 


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 the FBI is done for. It will have to be abolished
"Abolish the police!" 😂 
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Then these dumb asses on The Five today were saying things like "Why weren't his lawyers allowed to see what was going on?" Oh you mean they weren't allowed to preside over the collection of top secret documents they have no security clearance for? 
I heard Trump's lawyer say today that Trump was permitted to  watch the whole proceeding on closed circuit television but she hasn't talked to Trump to discover how much he watched.
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Oh good! Since the whole thing was recorded it will be easy for Trump to prove they planted evidence!
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Doubtful.  I assume anybody interested in the truth prefers  Bloomberg to anonymous as a source of factual claim.  Anonymous claims are almost always anonymous for a fucked up reason.
You made up "anonymous" Mr Anonymous internet poster. The researchers names are on the site, the screenshots, archives, and links are more complete than the typical opinion pretending to be news.

Snowden, Assange, Manning are all examples of how anonymity is a good idea.

Hey remember the "whistleblower" who shall not be named who triggered the first impeachment spectacle?

Because the editor at the mostly reliable "The Hill" tells us to.
The editor relates someone's statement and now you think the authority (which I don't accept) of the editor transfers to the subject of his reporting?

No editor with a reputation to maintain would report that there was no board of directors for Biden to have joined unless he confirmed that easily confirmable fact.
He didn't report that, he reported that somebody claimed that.

and you can be confident that all four corrections here were more carefully researched than Solomon's claims.
I have no confidence left, and they weren't corrections they were notes.

Obviously, the fact that the claim was made by lawyers working for Putin discredits the claim.
Obviously, the fact that the claim was made by lawyers working for Trump discredits the claim.
Obviously, the fact that the claim was made by lawyers working for author discredits the claim.
The claim was made by Viktor Shokin, not lawyers.

And the Russiagate hoax originated from one of Hilary's lawyers, does that discredit it?

The fact that Solomon reported a claim when he obviously knew that it had been manufactured on behalf of Trump and/or Putin is scandalous.
What in the world are you talking about? Are you denying that Shokin made that statement?