Who’s worse: Trump or Desantis?

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I like them both, especially Desantis. He saved Florida from the destruction that so many other states suffered during the fear mongering Covid BS. Told all the would be tyrants to go fuck themselves. I like that.
wait a minute, are  you the same person who just said "all government is horrible" ?
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I'm not suggesting they will become reasonable, I'm saying Desantis will not have the ability to convince them that the sky is green the way Trump has. The thing about Trump is that they love him because he's one of them. He's a complete buffoon and an ignoramous, so when he says something stupid he gets away with it because that's already his brand and because he gives them validation. No other politician can pull that off. Desantis is too intelligent, so the level of stupidity that has to be achieved for him would come off as fake and disingenuous, the very thing Trump supporters love about him and the reason they let him get away with literally anything.

This isn't just a Desantis thing. Look around, every politician that tries to act like Trump comes off the same way, and none of them can gain any national appeal. Desantis is the closest thing, but his brand is still completely different.

So again, I'm not saying they won't vote for him, I'm just saying that he won't have the same kind of pscophantic support Trump did, which will be needed to accomplish what Trump couldn't.
well stated
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Elitists looking down on middle America. What’s new?
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Elitists looking down on middle America. What’s new?
wait a minute, how is trump NOT "one of the elite" ?
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he lost his elite card the moment he came down the escalator.
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Born in Jacksonville, DeSantis spent most of his childhood in Dunedin, Florida. He graduated from Yale University and Harvard Law School.
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Only a handful of people that graduate from those colleges get to be in the cabal of oligarchs that really run America.
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Joe Biden attended University of Delaware for his undergraduate studies and got his law degree from Syracuse University in New York.
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wait a minute, are you suggesting Double_R is "one of the elite" ?!
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Elitists looking down on middle America. What’s new?

"If they did, they’d know their cities are absolutely fucked"


Lol 
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Joe Biden attended University of Delaware for his undergraduate studies and got his law degree from Syracuse University in New York.
Only a handful of people that graduate from that college get to be in the cabal of oligarchs that really run America.
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I was annoyed I couldn't find the meme about "what people think NY is" (a cartoon with chaos and street fighters everywhere) but that quip  by Pie was  *chef's kiss* 

NYC is such a horrific place to live that the average rent is now $5,000 per month because NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE HERE! It's so awful. 
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New York rich white liberals never have to travel in high crimes areas. If they did, they’d know their cities are absolutely fucked
Disagree, I remember many accounts of Democrat politicians getting repeatedly robbed and saying that's normal.

Copium.
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Oh yeah, you remember many accounts of Democrat politicians repeatedly getting robbed and shrugging it off? Name some of them. 

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My bad I was thinking of Seth Rogan.

Barbara Boxer on the other hand supports Pie's claim.
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Lol why are you posting to Pie in a clear response to a point that *I* made?

People fleeing Manhattan in droves doesn't prove that it is an uninhabitable cesspool.  The people that leave CAN'T AFFORD IT because demand and subsequently rent is so high. Are folks going to move out of Idaho and Montana to find more affordable housing? No. They're fleeing big cities where it's the most expensive and flocking to areas with lower costs of living. Fucking duh. 

And yeah I knew you would bring up Barbara Boxer when you googled "politicians that got robbed" since you completely made up that whole bit in the first place. 
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we will see after a few assassinations.
I’m actually really surprised there aren’t more assassinations of politicians, and really hope it stays that way. I’m dreading the day someone assassinates a SCOTUS justice 

There isn’t going to be a civil war. It’s not worth it at all. What would the civil war be over, parents being allowed to harm their own kids with “gender affirming” medicine or people saying mean things to each other online? Whose going to blow up the richest economy in the world with unbelievably high living standards over that?

Frankly the entire thing could be deescalated rather quickly if there was some devolution of federal power back to the states. It’s kind of insane that, say, Iowa and New York City have to be governed under the same laws. Those two places being in a military/economic union is a good idea because NYC needs the food Iowa produces and Iowa benefits from the wealth and power generated by NYC. But I don’t see why they have to have the same policy on abortion or whatever. It would suck for people on the wrong side of their states politics but the stakes of national elections shouldn’t be that high imo. The country is too large and diverse for any policy platform to make sense for the entire thing .. That would be a drastic change but that sounds a lot easier than fighting a civil war 
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What would the civil war be over..

Over the dramatic loss of the standard of living with no recourse at the ballot box.
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Frankly the entire thing could be deescalated rather quickly if there was some devolution of federal power back to the states.
good plan
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Regarding what we both said, both statements affirm that Russia interfere in our election.
No one denies this.

Welcoming help from a foreign adversary is not conspiracy.
So what’s your point

Organizing your campaign around what you anticipate a foreign adversary is going to do is not conspiracy.
So what’s your point
You asked me if I was calling Mueller a liar by saying what I said, so I'm pointing out that nothing I said contradicts anything he said. In other words, your implication was BS.

Court of public opinion only matters for a month.
Another revealing moment.

The court of public opinion is where the citizens of a country look at what's happening and apply basic logic and common sense to determine what they believe. You engage in this even as you pretend you don't.

But you have managed to twist yourself in such logic pretzels that even after it's pointed out to you, you still cannot tell the difference between the rules and high standards that must be applied in order to address the question of whether one gets to maintain their freedom, vs the standards that are needed to determine whether one gets to enjoy the public's trust.

You and I are not jurors on a court of law. We're members of a debate forum giving our opinions. Unless the topic is law (which it's not), the rules of a court of law have nothing to do with this conversation. I've made this clear to you repeatedly.

The topic here is whether it is reasonable, in the court of public opinion, to to presume the president was deserving of the attention he got when it came to his relationship with Russia and whether the circumstances warrant us to doubt whether he was acting in the country's best interest. You do not need proof sufficient to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt in order to use your own brain. But again, when the facts are not on your side...
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All great reasons as to why a chaotic Democracy of mob rule is inferior to accepted law and order.
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No one talks about Russian Russia Russia anymore except hard core progressive left wingers on the Internet like you...

Even CNN stopped lol. Now CNN just talks about preserving Ukrainian oligarchs, climate change hoaxes,  and Covid while debunking inflation.
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The topic here is whether it is reasonable, in the court of public opinion, to to presume the president was deserving of the attention he got when it came to his relationship with Russia and whether the circumstances warrant us to doubt whether he was acting in the country's best interest. You do not need proof sufficient to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt in order to use your own brain. But again, when the facts are not on your side...
the united states government typically acts on behalf of agents that do not represent the will of the american people
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All great reasons as to why a chaotic Democracy of mob rule is inferior to accepted law and order.
fascism for everyone !!!!
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fascism for everyone !!!!

Citation please.
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Citation please.
what's your preferred alternative to democracy ?

is it, monarchy ?

or perhaps, oligarchy ?
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Minarchy.
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Minarchy.
with kings ?