DART 2022 June Myers-Briggs and Jung personality types.

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well I got INFP on some tests when I was younger and INTJ on some tests too but I also think I was less sure of what I was unsure of about myself, if that makes sense.

I pick 'uncertain' and more neutral results with more confidence now and even results others will say are wrong.

For instance, I think that people on this website would assume I:

  1. Take criticism and events very personally
  2. Am very open about my opinions irl
I'm not the other extreme to those but both are the slight opposite to what I actually do, in general.

Also, I am goal-oriented but very flexible about how I achieve my goals and even flexible about tweaking my goals to meet reality, it's how I certainly grew less P and more J with time as I came to accept that being a purely flexible 'whatever' kind of guy only works to a certain level.

I also think that 'NxP' personality combos tend to assume that a personality as mine has to be associated with 'TJ' because I'm just so harsh and blunt but this is a wrong understanding of what they are and an even more wrong understanding of my bluntness. I am actually blunt to people to be kind to them because I know what false hope in a fake friendship/relationship is like and wouldn't wish to do that to anybody.

I also don't think people realise that I don't fake my answers to get the result that I want, I am honest about my emotions mattering to me and that I don't always plan everything out but to think I walk around without a backup plan in my head is to really not understand the walking, talking contradiction I am. My username isn't some made up lie about me, there's a lot of truth to it and until you've cracked it you'd never understand just how deep I think and plan when I have to and/or want to.
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I would reckon you are an ENFP, personally.


I am definitely introverted. I am extroverted when it comes to things that require it. Like if ai have a sales or management job, I behave extroverted. 

If I do have a team of managers under me I basically do close myself in and manage in a way more conducive to my personal style if I can. For example allowing myself to be introverted and craft plans instead of acting like a field general. 

So if I have managers under me I behave in a more discreet way. I make sure they carry out my will, allowing me to be more introverted. I of course have learned over the years that if I walk into a place, I get one on one time with every single subordinate, but other than just making sure they are all okay, I pretty much let my managers take charge. 

I do express the F side of me on here more because it is a side of me I resent in real life and this is my only outlet. So it's understandable you would see me that way. 

It's probably got me in trouble not expressing the F side in real life. For example. I have a knack for acquiring jobs I don't deserve. Perhaps it is a general manager job at a quick service restaurant or an assistant manager at a diner.perhaps I get a job as a manager managing several mantainance teams like I got a few months ago but quit. 

So I get great opportunities, and even when I start at the bottom I am usually promoted to a better position really quickly. 

Because I am trying so hard to repress that F side of me though, if I do crack. Even just a little bit and my peers see it I quit. It doesn't matter if I kept up the facade for 3 weeks or 5 years. The second the facade is cracked or I think my facade of perfectly logical and rational is cracked, I quit.

It's causing a real strain on my relationship to constantly be going from reasonably high paying job to entry level and back to high paying but then back to no job for 3 months.

So the conversation at home goes like this

Wife "why did you quit this time"

Me "I lost my cool for a second and they heard the frustration in my voice at something"

Wife "so what you punched somebody and they were going to fire you"

Me" No, but now they see me as a human being with emotions and real leaders don't lead with emotion but with winning strategies. Empathy is the only emotion I am allowed"

Wife ",call them back and tell them you take back quitting they have been begging you to come back"

Me"conversation over I applying for the car wash down the street now and we will have to tighten out belts"

It's a vicious cycle, and I can't get over it. It's almost as vicious as the cycle where I don't allow myself negative feelings so I lie to avoid awkward conversations or if I get the wrong order at a restaurant I just eat it anyway because complaining is too awkward and Then I never eat at the place again. 

The perfectionism and running away from anxiety are seriously destroying my life. I think I am getting better though. 
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I got INTJ on this, for some reason. Luckily it is not one of those things where you have to pay like $69.99 to get a result or something.
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That sounds a lot more accurate for you.
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INTJ
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I'd have expected ISTP or ISTJ

ISTJ would make sense for you much more than INTJ
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4 INTJs so far. While typically a more rare personality (from what I looked up), it seems that the commonalities of certain personalities are altered when the test is applied exclusively to internet users.
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An online debate website almost certainly will be comprised of a self-selecting INTJ user base.   

The older I get, the more pronounced that I becomes, the more pronounced my NT type becomes and the harder that J leans to almost 100%.
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when the test is applied exclusively to internet users.
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Luckily it is not one of those things where you have to pay like $69.99 to get a result or something.
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maybe so, the questions aren't perfect IMO
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@oromagi
do you believe that people tend to adopt general strategies to deal with challenges they encounter ??

do you believe these strategies are identifiable ??

(1) do you think a person should get their sense of self-worth from within themselves or from what other people think of them?

(2) do you prefer to be spontaneous and go out and travel and do things "IRL" or do you prefer to think about doing things and lose yourself in movies and television shows and books ?

(3) do you think people should generally trust their gut or do you think people should generally think things through ??

(4) do you think people should follow a strict core code of laws or principles no matter what, or do you think that people should follow different rules in different situations ??
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do you believe that people tend to adopt general strategies to deal with challenges they encounter ?
I don't pretend to know other people's brains but yes I generally assume most people try to cope.

do you believe these strategies are identifiable ??
Not to any predictive or utilitarian degree, no.  Certainly not reducible to a handful of easy dichotomous archetypes.


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You have very littke understanding of them.

There are Ss who resent travelling and New who adore it, for instance.

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Especially as children, INTPs often feel that they are rebuked for debating or questioning traditions and rules, when in fact they are not very combative people by nature. INTPs don’t want to push their agenda on others or force others into their way of thinking; they are independent and believe in “living and letting live.” But they’re also unwilling to compromise just to reach a consensus with others – if it doesn’t make sense to them, they can’t go along with it.
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That describes me really well as a child actually, thanks for realising I'm an INTP.

I gained skills in negotiating and how to compromise later in life.
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and what is that supposed to prove?
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it's another, very similar type of test that is generally preferred by those who dismiss MBTI as "unscientific"

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I think the MBTI test is just a model. No one can just categorize human beings perfectly under a single(or even 4) metric. It is a model designed to simplify things.
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I think the MBTI test is just a model. No one can just categorize human beings perfectly under a single(or even 4) metric. It is a model designed to simplify things.
it's simply a snapshot - - your "personality" is not written in stone

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so reveal to us your percentage results on myers briggs and your result on big 5 personality so we can explore your psyche.
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Which quiz is the myers briggs you did
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Which quiz is the myers briggs you did
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What exactly was the crucial difference between INTP and ENTP? I tend to get both of these periodically, sometimes even during adjacent tests done a few hours apart. I can't exactly say which one I am.

More than that, how do we define extrovert/introvert qualities? For context, I am a dude who just doesn't actively go out for socialization, but can obviously have a very nice chat with most strangers in the first few hours upon meeting(I don't necessarily hate or like such interactions, the main benefit is that I get a friend).

How do we measure it?
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As far as I can tell, I am somewhere between ENTP and ENTJ. 

But I've noticed an interesting trend, that as time goes on I balance out more and more on each trait. For example, my ability to appreciate, value and express feeling has really grown exponentially over the past few years. And I've always been a bit split between extroversion and introversion, since I will have bursts of boldness followed by hours of seclusion. I will always be solidly intuitive I think, but my split between being a P and J type is fairly even as well. 
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Extraverts never enjoy being alone for long, introverts can enjoy some socialising in bursts.
That makes you an introvert.