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@Greyparrot
How did epstein end up? You're actually helping the FBI defend why it's important to have guys like him in their custody instead of simply New York state custody.
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@RationalMadman
How did Epstein end up?
In a Federal jail.
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@Greyparrot
His prison may be federal prison and honestly idk why all prisons aren't federal since privatised prison is making prison into a business model...
Even if I drop the point, though he was certainly not handled by FBI more than state police of New York, I don't understand what youa re saying about the case being cracked.
Epstein's corruption was with judges and such that he had dirt on, the FBI had been after him for over a decade and have, despite his suicide, been trying their level best to uncover any clues to present trafficking (this part is public knowledge), of course I can't know based on evidence (known or unknown to the public) what and if I did it would be absolutley illegal and immoral for me to reveal it.
I do not understand what you want from me exactly. I am not an anarchist and don't support a policeless state, I am all for reform of police but never got behind the 'defund' movement.
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@RationalMadman
I do not understand what you want from me exactly.
Maybe a bit of introspection on the caveats of having a centralized police agency over a dispersed localized police force. One is much more easily compromised than the other.
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@ILikePie5
Logistically, liberals would be screwed in a civil war cause they couldn’t feed their people. Easy game of attrition militarily
DC can't feed all the illegal invaders dumped in their city either. 🍉ԅ( ͒ ͒ )
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@Greyparrot
All great questions for the Nov J6 hearings.
No, they’re actually silly questions intended to show just how ridiculous this all is. The question of who he was working for and what was his purpose is only asked to get you to start thinking, once that happens the absurdity of this becomes obvious.
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@Double_R
No, they’re actually silly questions intended to show just how ridiculous this all is. The question of who he was working for and what was his purpose is only asked to get you to start thinking, once that happens the absurdity of this becomes obvious.
We all know he would’ve been arrested by now if he worked for who you think he worked for.
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@ILikePie5
We all know he would’ve been arrested by now if he worked for who you think he worked for.
I don’t have any beliefs on who he was working for, in fact the idea that he was working for anyone is itself silly. You have no evidence, all you have is your own credulity. And while you dismiss basic presumptions, you are unwilling to dismiss far more complex and nonsensical ones.
Provide an actual narrative; who he was working for what what the plan was. Then we can discuss further after a basic lesson on Occam’s Razor.
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@Double_R
I would love for you to explain what an alternative explanation for is non-arrest is. Especially considering it’s been more than a year.
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@ILikePie5
Occam's razor suggests he was working with the FBI to be absolved of recorded instigation of a riot.
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@ILikePie5
I would love for you to explain what an alternative explanation for is non-arrest is. Especially considering it’s been more than a year.
I don’t need one because I’m not alleging or insinuating anything here. You are, that’s why I’m asking you.
As far as I can see he’s just some dude doing stupid things. Not everyone who commits a crime gets arrested even when at times it seems obvious (like Trump cheating on his taxes). Sometimes the law is complicated. Failure to gather the evidence required is not evidence of innocence.
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@Greyparrot
Occam's razor suggests he was working with the FBI to be absolved of recorded instigation of a riot.
You mean after January 6th? Because there would be nothing unusual about that. People get off or at least get lighter sentences for to their cooperation all the time.
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
I don’t need one because I’m not alleging or insinuating anything here. You are, that’s why I’m asking you.
There’s evidence that he was an instigator. Instigators and people who entered the Capitol have been arrested, he has not. I’m only asking why. I believe it’s because he’s a fed and that seems to be the only reasonable explanation of why he hasn’t been arrested. You have yet to provide an alternate explanation; instead, you just say it’s not true.
As far as I can see he’s just some dude doing stupid things. Not everyone who commits a crime gets arrested even when at times it seems obvious (like Trump cheating on his taxes). Sometimes the law is complicated. Failure to gather the evidence required is not evidence of innocence.
Calling for people to storm the Capitol is a stupid thing that he shouldn’t be charged for. Wow. Talk about ignoring actual incitement. Someone who verbally word for word said storm the Capitol shouldn’t be charged but a man who said peacefully and patriotically should be banned from office and put into jail.
You mean after January 6th? Because there would be nothing unusual about that. People get off or at least get lighter sentences for to their cooperation all the time.
Before. You clearly did not read the post by Coal, which says a lot.
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@Double_R
It's unusual because out of the thousands of people he was the only one recorded doing it without being arrested.
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@Greyparrot
@coal
The irony. A guy who literally called for storming the Capitol clearly did nothing wrong, while a man who said protest peacefully and patriotically, asked for more security but was denied, reduced bureaucracy to ensure help could get there if need be, should be banned from office and jailed.
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@ILikePie5
People like DoubleR have blind faith where it is not warranted. Cultish.
A normal person would raise questions like AOC.
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@ILikePie5
Did you see Schiff crying on MSNBC because the DOJ would not arrest Trump?
He practically called Merrick Garland a traitor to America lol!
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@Greyparrot
Did you see Schiff crying on MSNBC because the DOJ would not arrest Trump?He practically called Merrick Garland a traitor to America lol!
I saw Ilhan Omar and AOC act like they got arrested. Incredible foreshadowing
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@Double_R
When you want to fight about narratives, you've lost the argument.
This isn't about narratives. It's about what happened, as opposed to the fiction created by the so-called January 6th committee that you have blindly accepted.
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@coal
If our elections were actually secure, politicians could just claim our elections are secure and simply dismiss Trump. By keeping Trump in the media well into the midterms, it makes people wonder why his claims are important enough to warrant wall to wall coverage.
I am starting to wonder if CNN is purposely doing wall to wall coverage on the big lie just so it can get as many people aware of Trump as possible.
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@ILikePie5
Before. You clearly did not read the post by Coal, which says a lot.
He may not have read it. Or maybe not. It's entirely possible he read it, understood it and then rejected it as inconsistent with his "narrative" of what happened.
The latter seems more likely, which I think may have been what you're implying.
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@Greyparrot
I am starting to wonder if CNN is purposely doing wall to wall coverage on the big lie just so it can get as many people aware of Trump as possible.
You are correct. That is exactly what they're doing.
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@coal
You are correct. That is exactly what they're doing.
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@coal
Ray Epps first proposed the idea of entering the Capitol building to the crowd of January 6th protesters,
- Epps was hardly the first. Social media recorded more than one million posts demanding the storming of the capitol from Christmas to Jan 6, including many explicit calls for violence and specific planning for violence against Pence and Pelosi specifically and police and Congress generally. Harvard's Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy reports that many of the same online personalities that organized the Unite the Right rally and the Gamergate online harassment campaign were key figures in stirring the mob to violence.
under circumstances where he was caught on video instigating a riot and therefore acting as a provocateur.
- Here's the video: https://youtu.be/2jbhxSht944
- This is the night of Jan 5th where he says "We need to go in to the Capitol." Even in this video we can see that Epps's message was largely de-escalating and discouraging violence.
- Epps is on plenty of video on Jan 6th but his rhetoric is overwhelmingly de-escalating. At one point, he is recorded whispering in the ear of one of the most violent seditionists at the barriers but both parties have since testified that Epps was trying to calm him down.
At the time Ray Epps did so, he was immediately accused of being a "Fed!" by numerous of the crowd members.
- A very popular accusation throughout Jan 6th and very telling... people .who think what they're doing is on the up and up don't usually go around accusing strangers of being cops.
Unlike Ray Epps, all other such provocateurs have been charged with at least one, and almost always multiple, crimes in connection with their presence and actions during the events of January 6th.
- This is false. Since Brandenburg v Ohio, it's not incitement unless the lawlessness is imminent. Epps' comment may seem provocative out of context but since that comment wasn't made at the Capitol and he didn't make it on Jan 6th, this comes nowhere near any kind of criminal offense.
Only Ray Epps has not been charged with any crime in connection with his presence or acts during the events of January 6th.
- Bullshit. Almost everybody charged broke into the US Capitol and those few who didn't seem to consistently have police violence or weapons charges. Epps didn't go into the Capitol, refrained from violence when almost everybody else was attacking cops, is on video multiple time trying to calm the crowd down and de-escalate violence.
- Here's a list of people charged
- https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories
- on Jan 8th, Epps discovered he was wanted by the FBI and called in to the FBI hotline
- Would the FBI put one of their own agents on a Wanted list?
- The FBI interviewed Epps soon after.
- The Jan 6th Committee has interview Epps twice and reported that his testimony is consistent with fact established by video and seditionists.
- The FBI has a lot of Epps on video in the first hour of the Capitol attack but all of it records Epps discouraging violence and lawlessness. If Epps committed any crimes, they don't seem to appear on any of the many videos of him.
On these facts, many have alleged Ray Epps was acting on behalf of at least one branch of Federal Law Enforcement.
- "Many have alleged" is false. "Tucker Carlson has repeatedly alleged" is more accurate. All the major media outlets have investigated Carlson's claim and called bullshit. The only non-Russians still propagating this propaganda are Tucker and Trump.
- Let's be sure to note that FOX News lawyer have successfully argued in court no reasonable person would believe that Tucker Carlson is making statements of fact. Let's be sure to apply Carlson's standard as advertised.
I'm convinced Oro is a Chinese spy.
“Xǔduō rén shēngchēng” shì cuòwù de. “Tǎ kè·kǎ'ěr sēn yīzài shēngchēng” gèng wéi zhǔnquè. Suǒyǒu zhǔyào méitǐ dōu diàochále kǎ'ěr sēn de shuōfǎ, chēng qí wèi húshuō bādào. Wéiyī réng zài xuānchuán zhè zhǒng xuānchuán de fēi èluósī rén shì tǎ kè hé tè lǎng pǔ.
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Here's Greyparrot celebrating the violent deaths of Americans on the Fourth of July.
I knew it! Each post is for social credit for the homeland.
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@oromagi
When I said "many have alleged," that was to avoid defaming Epps. All relevant indicia obviate any doubt as to on whose behalf he was acting and why.
The underlying time-stamped video evidence from the Capitol and the 18 or so hours before speaks for itself. And much of it is out there in the world for all to see.
There is no amount of media gaslighting, obfuscation, selective coverage or adjective-laden yellow journalism that makes your repetition of their underlying claims credible. To that issue, your citation to WaPo, NYT and various third party "fact checkers," who have written articles to reinforce a clear disinformation campaign on this issue is wholly unavailing. Which should come as no surprise to you. Be clear on this point: when you cite a self-styled "fact checker," you're pointing to a source that has less authority than the National Enquirer or Alex Jones.
Don't look up.