January 6th Hearings

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Trump had better policies than Biden but his platform doesn’t seem all that different from a more mainstream GOP politician, especially now that he destroyed the old “Bush” establishment. I would rather have someone like Ron DeSantis or Glenn Youngkin without Trumps baggage being the nominee and I think a lot of people are starting to feel that same way.
Ron DeSantis I would be fine with. But we only have one known and that’s Trump. He did all of the great things even after investigation after investigation. If Trump doesn’t run I am DeSantis all the way. Youngkin I’m still weary of at the moment.

I mean why want a standard bearer who is so easy to attack, can only serve one term, has alienated millions of people who would be open to voting Republican or not voting at all if there was a different nominee…
Attacks are going to come anyways. The entire media and establishment is against him. If those two factions oppose Trump then he is objectively the better pick.

Trump really wasn’t a very effective president and his finishing move being to incite his most fervent (and gullible) supporters into a riot that resulted in a lot of them having their lives destroyed/severely damaged because he couldn’t take an L…I want someone else.  
Legally he didn’t incite anyone. A person who literally did is still not in jail.

Him becoming President again would be extremely funny so I’ll grant that 
Oh it would make heads explode and I’m all for it. Bring back the Covfefe
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Oh it would make heads explode and I’m all for it. Bring back the Covfefe
Tim Pool thinks Trump would take revenge on the swamp. Might get bloody.
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Something I thought about and just couldn't help but put out there to watch you two either ignore or apply more mental gymnastics to avoid actually answering...

Since the intelligence that the J6 rally was a threat to the US Capitol was so clear that Nancy Pelosi's failure to properly beef up security is itself worthy of investigation... How do you explain Trump's decision to go ahead and not only speak at that rally, but then tell everyone to march on down to the Capitol?

And because I know the stupid response I'm going to get; "but he told them to make their voices heard peacefully...", I'll just point out that you can't have it both ways. Trump either thought they would listen to him or he didn't. If he didn't, then your excuse falls apart on it's face. If he did, which is the only way this one sentence exculpates him, then you cannot possibly put forward any excuse for why Trump waited 3 hours after the Capitol was breached to finally tell these people to go home.
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why Trump waited 3 hours after the Capitol was breached to finally tell these people to go home.

Why does this matter at all lol... Trump could have said nothing at all after the police and FBI let in all those larpers and still remain 6 years innocent while the "walls were closing in"
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And because I know the stupid response I'm going to get; "but he told them to make their voices heard peacefully...", I'll just point out that you can't have it both ways. Trump either thought they would listen to him or he didn't. If he didn't, then your excuse falls apart on it's face. If he did, which is the only way this one sentence exculpates him, then you cannot possibly put forward any excuse for why Trump waited 3 hours after the Capitol was breached to finally tell these people to go home.
This makes no sense. Let’s assume that Trump thought the people at the rally would listen to him when he said “be peaceful.” After they weren’t peaceful, you think they were going to listen to him when they didn’t listen to him in the first place? At that point Trump would believe that they’re not going to listen to him because of observational evidence. The reason why he made the video was likely because everyone pressured him to do including Pelosi, Schumer, McCarthy, and McConnell. 
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Why does this matter at all lol... Trump could have said nothing at all after the police and FBI let in all those larpers and still remain 6 years innocent while the "walls were closing in"
Even AOC said the cops let the people in. LOL
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Meanwhile, Fed Ray Epps' actions speak for themselves 
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Guy is totally innocent. CNN said so.
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And if there was any doubt that Ray Epps had nothing whatsoever to do with any false flag measure, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and PBS corroborate what CNN wrote.  So you know it's true.  
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That covers all the usual  mockingbird operatives. CIA  and FBI knows what's best for you.
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This makes no sense. Let’s assume that Trump thought the people at the rally would listen to him when he said “be peaceful.”
No, let's not, because he didn't. We've been through this already, everyone in the crowd knew what that was. No one actually thought that's what he wanted because he purposefully made that blatantly obvious. It was a one liner planted into an hour long speech so that partisan hacks could later point to it and say "look, he said peaceful".

The fact that you continue to hang onto this excuse is astonishing. Aren't you one if the ones who repeated the now common known phrase from 2016 "the media took Trump literally but not seriously, his supporters took him seriously but not literally"? When Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall everyone knew it was BS. When Trump said he'd wipe out the national debt over 8 years everyone knew it was BS. But suddenly, a months long effort to rile up his supporters culminates with an hour long speech about how we have to "fight like hell or we're not going to have a country anymore" but when he says "peacefully"... Now all of a sudden he's being literal??? It's the stupidest excuse I've heard.

The man spent months telling his supporters their voice was stolen by people who do not care what they want, and the message you claim Trump was sending is that they need to fight back with their voices. I mean seriously, you don't actually believe this.

And of course you dodged the actual question so I'll repeat... If our intelligence knew that the rally posed such a threat to the US Capitol, why did Trump decide to hold the rally anyway? How Pelosi's inaction a bigger concern to you than Trump's actions?
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Why does this matter at all
Because it's people like you and examples like this that show why this country is so fucked. This is really simple, really basic stuff. If you can't figure this out there's not really a point to discussing the stuff that's actually complicated.
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Meanwhile, Fed Ray Epps' actions speak for themselves 
So what exactly is the insinuation here?
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Lol, the country is fucked because people don't care about your 1st world problems anymore. People need to eat and drive around. It's people like you that are causing the new 2nd world problems in America with your Marxist dystopia.
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It’s a funny when elitists think farmers are uneducated and stupid. They couldn’t farm to save their lives
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AOC says food comes from the grocery.
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AOC says food comes from the grocery.
Logistically, liberals would be screwed in a civil war cause they couldn’t feed their people. Easy game of attrition militarily 
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They have fancy pets they can eat with Venezuelan sauce.
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Lol, the country is fucked because people don't care about your 1st world problems anymore.
My first world problem is that my child's future is fucked because half the country believes a man who thinks clean coal is when you take it out and scrub it with a brush is the solution to their problems.
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And the green energy scams Pelosi bought stock in and then subsidized with your kid's taxes is?

Subsidized with insane inflation and printing of money that your kid will have to pay for to keep Pelosi's fridge well stocked with ice cream (or whoever replaces her after November)?

GTFO.
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You really thought that was a clever comeback didn't you?

BTW, Trump still thinks clean coal is when they take it out and scrub it with a brush.
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BTW, Trump still thinks clean coal is when they take it out and scrub it with a brush.
BTW nobody (about 88%) cares about your cute little orangemanbad fixation when they can't get food and gas. 
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Since Double R missed it, I'll just spell this one out . . . .

  1. Every single pro-Trump organization has been penetrated by at least one branch of federal law enforcement. 
  2. Ray Epps first proposed the idea of entering the Capitol building to the crowd of January 6th protesters, under circumstances where he was caught on video instigating a riot and therefore acting as a provocateur. 
  3. At the time Ray Epps did so, he was immediately accused of being a "Fed!" by numerous of the crowd members. 
  4. Unlike Ray Epps, all other such provocateurs have been charged with at least one, and almost always multiple, crimes in connection with their presence and actions during the events of January 6th.
  5. Only Ray Epps has not been charged with any crime in connection with his presence or acts during the events of January 6th. 

On these facts, many have alleged Ray Epps was acting on behalf of at least one branch of Federal Law Enforcement. 

The pattern of planting a provocateur amidst a group that is politically disfavored is the oldest trick in the FBI's book.  For example, they did it with far-left wing groups during the 1960s, all groups affiliated with MLK during the Civil Rights Movement, as well as any other group Hoover opposed.  They continued the same practices throughout the 80s, with Latin American rights groups.  The focus shifted from minority groups to so called "white nationalist" groups, who are mostly just wannabe LARPer so called "militias" during the 1990s, specifically after the Eric Rudolph bombings.  They briefly transitioned to allegedly "Islamist" groups during the War on Terror, and now once again oriented their ire back to the fringe populist right starting at the beginning of Trump's presidency.  Now, they're menacing parents who show up at school board meetings.  

The FBI's internal metrics for determining threat scale and magnitude are based entirely on their "infiltrating" a "cell" of "extremists" who are "threats to national security."  It's not that the bureau is inherently politically biased, but these entrapment schemes are how they justify their asks for increasingly wasteful budgets year after year after year.  Comey perfected this comical exercise.  
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The FBI's internal metrics for determining threat scale and magnitude are based entirely on their "infiltrating" a "cell" of "extremists" who are "threats to national security."  It's not that the bureau is inherently politically biased, but these entrapment schemes are how they justify their asks for increasingly wasteful budgets year after year after year.  Comey perfected this comical exercise.  
I see, FBI and not CIA? Interesting. So, who is going to stop pedos and major threats to society when FBI disappear or are wittled, just curious what your theory is if their funding is throttled.
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So, who is going to stop pedos ,,,

Pretty sure it wasn't the FBI that got Epstein or Weinstein.
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So, who is going to stop pedos and major threats to society when FBI disappear or are wittled
Imagine if your everyday Russian feared justice could never be carried out if the KGB were throttled.

Imagine the Chinese fearing the Rénmín Jǐngchá could no longer keep order.... 

One can hope.
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And replace it with?
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Since Double R missed it, I'll just spell this one out . . . .
So let’s summarize…

Federal enforcement hates Trump, some dude was seen instigating Trump supporters prior to the riots, the crowd called that dude a fed, and everybody besides that dude got charged.

And from all this, you gathered what? That he was a plant for what purpose exactly?

Was he there to push Trump supporters into attacking the US Capitol? If so, on whose behalf and for what purpose?

Was he there as an intelligence gathering assignment to see how dangerous the threat was? If so then why does anyone care about this?

Is there some other conspiracy theory I’m missing?

And lastly, I once heard someone say that the president is in charge and thus is always responsible. I wonder where that fits into your narrative.
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All great questions for the Nov J6 hearings.
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Whatever was used to catch Epstein and Weinstein of course.