Soooo.
I tell you what would be nice.
Tell us about that " magical " day, that magical moment god told you what religious group to join.
I bet you remember it like yesterday hey ?
So so Lucky.
Ok go.
Historical fact of the martyrdom of apostles as proof of Christianity
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Slytherin.
That lot of ya.
What come first?
Believing in a God ?
Orrrrrrrrrr.
Being in a religious group ?
If you say. ( Believing in a god come first ) that would be bloody horrible.
If you say. ( joining a religious group come first ) that would be bloody horrible.
Sooooooo .
What come first?
I will except.
You " found youself " in a religious group first.
Like if your mom and dad signed you up .
But then you have to tell us about that magical moment when you came to realize that the group you " found youself " in was the correct one.
Theists are uncannily brilliant religious group pickers.
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@Stephen
@Tradesecret
@Dr.Franklin
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Dr.Franklin,
YOUR QUOTE OF CONCERN IN YOUR POST #59: "they have no answer."
Jesus and I have a great idea, in addressing your quote above, then YOU give us the answers for the #1 Bible fool Miss Tradesecret in her runaway links shown below, praise! The membership and myself, and Jesus (Hebrews 4:13) will be watching you accomplish this act, ready?
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NEXT BIBLE FOOL THAT REMOVES ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER IN THEIR MOUTH, WILL BE ...?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
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Deb-8-a-bull,
If you are not too embarrassed to tell us the obvious, therefore, how many people live in your consciousness? Has your psychologist and you ever determined this obvious fact in your spattered about incoherent posts? Are you taking meds for your Dissociative Identity Disorder given to you by Satan Himself?
I state DIVISION of the faith, it is a tried and true Brother D. idiom, instead of DENOMINATION of the faith, that all contradict each other, therefore how can they all be true, get it? Maybe? Yes?
I am a TRUE Christian as I described before that does NOT follow any division of the faith, aka, denomination, understood?
You're excused.
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
YOUR QUOTE: "If you are so clever, explain the blatant contradiction."
Jesus and I have let you hang yourself long enough without you being in what you are for, and that is for others to answer you, where you do not follow through to others that want their stated answers to YOU to be answered, understood Bible fool?
Therefore, tell me if you've heard this proposition from me many times before, whereas, you do not get something for nothing, therefore you are to address each and every PRECEDING link of mine that you have sheepishly RAN AWAY from as shown below, BEFORE I will answer any of your questions, DO YOU UNDERSTAND BIBLE RUNAWAY FOOL?
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Of course dear Miss Tradesecret, this is barring the "plethora" of posts to you in my behalf in your OWN THREAD that youc ontinue to RUN AWAY from for obviouss reasons because you can't answer them and remain intelligent looking! 2+2=4!
Now, you are up to 10 EXCUSES not to address my godly posts, and other members as well to you, therefore, will you be adding another "simpleton lame girly excuse" to your list to not answer the GODLY inspired posts above that you RUN AWAY from since they were listed? LOL!
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN TRANSGENDERED 14 YEAR OLD GIRL LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT WANTS OTHERS TO ANSWER HER, BUT WHERE SHE DOES NOT ANSWER THEM IN VARIOUS POSTS TO HER, WILL BE ...?
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Hysterical fact
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@BrotherD.Thomas
5 mins ago i " joined you " big fella.
Sooooooooo
Does this Hysterical fact of me " joining you." Proof of you now being in a denominational group ?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
I dont think so pal
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Martydome......Tomato sauce.
Martychot......Canned chopped tomatoes.
MartyFeldman......Bulgy eyed, but deceased actor.
MartyRobbins......Big moustache, died 6 days after MartyFeldman.
Martysphere......Notwithstanding plum tomatoes.
Martyovoid......Plum tomato.
Cheeseandmartysarnie.........Cheese and tomato sandwich.
Cannedfisintomatosauce........Exactly what it says on the tin.
Historicalfactofmarty..........Throwing tomatoes at people.
The historical fact ANDDDDDDDDDD a look into the way cult members die whilst " a part " of a cult.
( That being in a over the top crazy event caused souly by one bloke )
Proof.
Proof for.
The word ( Cult members ) might be short for ( apostille )
Its just a thought.
Good game.
Good game.
Into
Could the now known fact that Apostles and cult members are the same thing .
Proof that Christianity was a cult ?
Again.
Its just a thought.
It is not up to cult members when and how they die " within reason " and because of this , i think very close " fact " giving us a good TRUE historical fact into the how and why they died.
Apostles.
Cult members .
Cult members.
Apostles.
Same same.
The only diffrence being.
Cult members "come from" cults.
Apostles " come from " religious groups.
Sooooo.
Could there be some chance , some mix up, some how
Lets see if it works the otherway around.
Cult members " come from " religious group.
Apostles " come from " cults.
Well ill be.
Exactly like i thought.
Same Same .
I need to run some numbers .
Now we no.
E may in fact = mc2
As
Cults -= religious group .
You can now picture the experiments i will be running in coming weeks .
This being
Showing people in religious groups doing religious things.
Then
Showing people in cults doing cult things .
Then
Mixing it up .
I'm thinking the outcome is as before
( same same )
then i am going to get me one of them Christians and i am going to need to hear him say.
Well they are not the same thing but.
But he will say.
'They are a tiny little bit similar'
I'll then play on.
For my experiments
I will be needing 15 religious groups and 5 cults .
Let me quickly add that up
15 religious groups .
Plus
5 cults.
Soooo thats.
'Computing '
Then carry the one .
' more computing '
=
20 religious groups.
Same same.
Up for comparison next time on ( HISTORICAL FACTS )
( Religious groups ) comes up against ( Ponzie schemes )
Will ( Same Same ) win out again ?
Stay tuned.
Purly out of interest and well being And to protect good people from the evil that is " A CULT "
I will be visiting different religious groups were i will teach them to be on the lookout for the certain " tell tale " signs on what a cult may look like.
I can only imagine i will be meet with open arms.
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@Dr.Franklin
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Dr.Franklin,
YOUR RUNAWAY FROM JESUS QUOTE WHERE YOU ADMIT THAT YOU CANNOT ADDRESS BIBLICAL AXIOMS JUST LIKE MISS TRADESECRET CANNOT AS WELL!!!: "I dont think so pal"
WTF? But in my post to you herewith: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7494/post-links/323334 you said that we did not have the answers! Now, when it is time for YOU to give us the correct answers, you run away with your little boy quote above in shame! LOL!
Doc, don't you realize that our serial killer Jesus is watching you (Hebrews 4:13) in not defending His faith like He tells you to do (Titus 1:9), therefore, how embarrassing do you want to get in front of Jesus and the membership of this Religion Forum? What is laughable is that you want to call yourself a Christian, NOT!!! LOL!
Doc, its time for you to take another break from this forum to save even further embarrassment with you being here. :(
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE POOR OL' DOC FRANKLIN THAT REMOVES ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER, WILL BE ...?
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@Tradesecret
Notice in that sentence I am using "will receive on the Last Day". This is in the future tense. The Last Day has not yet occurred.
Its been over 2000 years now. How do you know the last day/s hasn't already happened and Jesus has come and gone before you were even born?
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@Stephen
Facing the end is easy.
Whoopi do.
THE HARD PART is
How does one tell and ready thier 7 year old girl about this end of times being only just around the corner ?
Talk us through it.
Now keep in mind .
Tina doesn't go to her church.
Nope .
NO SIR.
And then there is the dog.
Dont tell me ?
No
Please Don't tell me i have to tell that gorgeous little " angle " about Wolfie turning into a insta pile of ash.
It is and will be quick i know but .
But
Do i have to tell her ?
Now you fire back with .
' WELL IT IS IN HER BEST INTEREST '
Then i go .
Yeah i suppose.
So i just pop in her room and go ahead and just tell her about how everyone she knows.
That s " that doesn't go to our church" will be dead soon.
real soon , like any day now.
This will fire the response . " when daddy ? "
To wich i will answer . .
Probably not this month but real soon
Then it starts
She will cry for days.
She ain'treligious material you know what i mean?
She is a wuss.
I will tell her to ' cut it out '
Soooooo it has to be done ?
I have to tell her ?
Thats fuckin horrible
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When doing whats best for a kid becomes blurry.
I may be best off not telling her and just like eating her.
Not sure .
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@Stephen
Notice in that sentence I am using "will receive on the Last Day". This is in the future tense. The Last Day has not yet occurred.Its been over 2000 years now. How do you know the last day/s hasn't already happened and Jesus has come and gone before you were even born?
It depends which last days we are talking about. The last days of the covenant between God and Israel has come and gone. Ad 70 - was the occasion of that time of when the historical temple was destroyed and the sacrifices were abolished. This accomplished historically what had happened spiritually in Jesus' death on the cross.
The last days of the world however is another occasion - the one which is also often mentioned. This last one however will not be ushered in until the church has historically grown up and become an adult - mature and spotless in every way. Given that the church is very much an adolescent. One which is having trouble understanding its identity, it is very unlikely it has occurred.
For the record, I don't think the Last Day of the world - when Jesus returns to judge the world - is the end of the world. I think it will a time when heaven breaks completely into this earth as we know it - such that the separation which is currently in place will disappear. As it was in the beginning with the Garden of Eden, in the world. So it will be - once sin has been dealt with not just lawfully in Christ, but soteriological as well. Justified - and sanctified. And then glorified.
The imagery we have in Revelation - brings down that division - so that the city of Heaven - will be on earth. The veil will be removed.
Since we are not currently living in heaven - then in my view - Jesus has not yet returned in his fully glory to collect his bride.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Don't you dare call Jesus a serial killer
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@Tradesecret
Notice in that sentence I am using "will receive on the Last Day". This is in the future tense. The Last Day has not yet occurred.Its been over 2000 years now. How do you know the last day/s hasn't already happened and Jesus has come and gone before you were even born?It depends which last days we are talking about.
The ones mentioned in the bible. Unless you know of others?
The last days of the covenant between God and Israel has come and gone. Ad 70 - was the occasion of that time of when the historical temple was destroyed and the sacrifices were abolished.
Do any of the gospel writer confirm this? Do any of them for instance tell us that with the destruction of the temple that this was the end of time or the end of old covenant?
This accomplished historically what had happened spiritually in Jesus' death on the cross.
Do you have any biblical evidence to support that, or is this just your own opinion? It appears that Christians have quite a few opinions on why Jesus died on the cross and none are to do with ushering in "old last days" or new ones.
The last days of the world however is another occasion - the one which is also often mentioned.
" the last days of the world"? And where or who by is it mentioned?
This last one however will not be ushered in until the church has historically grown up and become an adult - mature and spotless in every way.
And the bible confirms this does it? Or is this just your own opinion? And what do you mean by "spotless"?
Given that the church is very much an adolescent. One which is having trouble understanding its identity, it is very unlikely it has occurred.
Which church?
For the record, I don't think the Last Day of the world - when Jesus returns to judge the world - is the end of the world.
Neither do I. Jesus/bible only mentions the "end of the age" which in my own opinion is clearly a term used often in astronomy of which the bible and Jesus makes many references to.
once sin has been dealt with
Didn't baptism take care of that. The bible clearly says so. There are no appendages. But then there is the belief that the death of Jesus "washed away the sins of the world" . Is this not true?
The imagery we have in Revelation - brings down that division - so that the city of Heaven - will be on earth.
You do know that none of the things that were expected of Jesus as messiah never came to fruition don't you? Not one.
Since we are not currently living in heaven -
Define heaven?
Jesus has not yet returned in his fully glory to collect his bride.
I agree. Jesus hasn't returned in my time. But then the bible does mention that Jesus was physically "resurrected" from being a three day old corpse as a man 2000 years ago and in his own body:
Jesus appearing to his some of his followers said- " Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
And Paul says - "I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable".
So with this in mind and your own opinion that the "last days" started with the destruction of the temple isn't it more likely that your lord Jesus has indeed been and gone and you have missed the bus?
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@Dr.Franklin
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Doc Frank,
YOUR OUTRIGHT BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE IN POST #84: "Don't you dare call Jesus a serial killer"
I have to call Jesus a serial killer because I cannot LIE ( Exodus 20:16), understood? H-E-L-L-O?
Doc, listen, we all know that you don't read the Bible yourself because you would have figured it out yourself that our Jesus is a serial killer, but instead, you have it spoon-fed to you by others that don't want you to see Jesus' killing nature, okay?
Let me give you a quick tutorial on Jesus' being a serial killer:
ONE GOD: “To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.” (Jude 1:25)
JESUS IS THE ONLY GOD: “But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)
JESUS IS THE GOD OF THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS: “In Isaiah 44:6 the LORD (Yahweh) refers to himself as “the First and the Last”. In Revelation 1:8 and 17, Jesus similarly refers to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” and “the First and the Last” where 2+2=4 in Jesus being God.
JESUS THEREFORE IS A SERIAL KILLER: In only giving ONE example of MANY in Jesus being a serial killer as Yahweh God incarnate in the Old Testament, then Jesus murdered His entire creation in the Great Flood (Genesis 7:1), including innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies, as their mothers watched them treading water until they went under for the last time in an horrific suffocating death, and Jesus watched them dying in pain! (Hebrews 4:13)
Doc, don't LIE to yourself in going against the 9th commandment, just accept this biblical fact that our Jesus is a serial killer and move on the best way that you can, okay? Thanks.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
its a metaphor
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@Stephen
The last days of the covenant between God and Israel has come and gone. Ad 70 - was the occasion of that time of when the historical temple was destroyed and the sacrifices were abolished.Do any of the gospel writer confirm this? Do any of them for instance tell us that with the destruction of the temple that this was the end of time or the end of old covenant?
yep. Mark 12 Matthew 24 Luke 21
This accomplished historically what had happened spiritually in Jesus' death on the cross.Do you have any biblical evidence to support that, or is this just your own opinion? It appears that Christians have quite a few opinions on why Jesus died on the cross and none are to do with ushering in "old last days" or new ones.
I never said it was to usher in the last days.
The last days of the world however is another occasion - the one which is also often mentioned." the last days of the world"? And where or who by is it mentioned?
That particular phraze is not mentioned. Last days is - as is the Last Day. As is the latter days. The day of the Lord. Nevertheless, many people do talk of the last day of the world in the same breath as many of the others. Not just then but today too.
This last one however will not be ushered in until the church has historically grown up and become an adult - mature and spotless in every way.And the bible confirms this does it? Or is this just your own opinion? And what do you mean by "spotless"?
Yes. The bible confirms it. You can go and look up the verse or don't you know it?
Given that the church is very much an adolescent. One which is having trouble understanding its identity, it is very unlikely it has occurred.Which church?
The church - invisible for want of a better word.
For the record, I don't think the Last Day of the world - when Jesus returns to judge the world - is the end of the world.Neither do I. Jesus/bible only mentions the "end of the age" which in my own opinion is clearly a term used often in astronomy of which the bible and Jesus makes many references to.
Age / world often used synonomously. Eaon v kosmos.
once sin has been dealt withDidn't baptism take care of that. The bible clearly says so. There are no appendages. But then there is the belief that the death of Jesus "washed away the sins of the world" . Is this not true?
Baptism of the Spirit of God is in accord with Jesus' atonement on the cross - both the judicial act and the executed act that both pays for sin and justifies the sinner. This is the once off act and is a declaration of the fact. Sanctification is the mortification of sin throughout the believer and the church's life. Hence Christians talk of - having been saved, being saved and will be saved. Yet this talks of three particular matters and doctrines. Justification, sanctification and glorification.
The imagery we have in Revelation - brings down that division - so that the city of Heaven - will be on earth.You do know that none of the things that were expected of Jesus as messiah never came to fruition don't you? Not one.
Well - I obviously have a different position. How about you start by telling me what things were expected of Jesus that you say never came to fruition?
Since we are not currently living in heaven -Define heaven?
God's home on earth.
Jesus has not yet returned in his fully glory to collect his bride.I agree. Jesus hasn't returned in my time. But then the bible does mention that Jesus was physically "resurrected" from being a three day old corpse as a man 2000 years ago and in his own body:
Well actually the bible is very clear that Jesus was physically resurrected.
Jesus appearing to his some of his followers said- " Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
Where does it say that?
And Paul says - "I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable".
So?
So with this in mind and your own opinion that the "last days" started with the destruction of the temple isn't it more likely that your lord Jesus has indeed been and gone and you have missed the bus?
Jesus has not returned yet. Nothing you have said - would indicate anything else. Perhaps you should fill in the gaps that you seem to see - but no one else does.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
How does one tell and ready thier 7 year old girl about this end of times being only just around the corner ?
That's one for the pastors & preachers to lie to the little girl about, Deb.
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@Tradesecret
The last days of the covenant between God and Israel has come and gone. Ad 70 - was the occasion of that time of when the historical temple was destroyed and the sacrifices were abolished.Do any of the gospel writer confirm this? Do any of them for instance tell us that with the destruction of the temple that this was the end of time or the end of old covenant?Mark 12 Matthew 24 Luke 21
Nope. Nothing there at all that mentions the "ending of a covenant with Israel or the abolition of sacrifices" that accompany the temples destruction.. As you have claimed and that I can see. Could you point it out for me?
This accomplished historically what had happened spiritually in Jesus' death on the cross.Do you have any biblical evidence to support that, or is this just your own opinion? It appears that Christians have quite a few opinions on why Jesus died on the cross and none are to do with ushering in "old last days" or new ones.I never said it was to usher in the last days.
But don't you agree that the destruction of the Temple was the catalyst to the "end of days"? Yes or No?
This last one however will not be ushered in until the church has historically grown up and become an adult - mature and spotless in every way.And the bible confirms this does it? Or is this just your own opinion? And what do you mean by "spotless"?Yes. The bible confirms it. You can go and look up the verse or don't you know it?
I don't know it. So it will be nice for me to read for myself once you have posted it up. What do you mean when you say "spotless" and" mature"
Given that the church is very much an adolescent. One which is having trouble understanding its identity, it is very unlikely it has occurred.Which church?The church - invisible for want of a better word.
What do you consider this "invisible churches understanding and identity" actually to be?
For the record, I don't think the Last Day of the world - when Jesus returns to judge the world - is the end of the world.Neither do I. Jesus/bible only mentions the "end of the age" which in my own opinion is clearly a term used often in astronomy of which the bible and Jesus makes many references to.Age / world often used synonomously. Eaon v kosmos.
Do you have a a biblical example?
The imagery we have in Revelation - brings down that division - so that the city of Heaven - will be on earth.You do know that none of the things that were expected of Jesus as messiah never came to fruition don't you? Not one.Well - I obviously have a different position. How about you start by telling me what things were expected of Jesus that you say never came to fruition?
Just to name a few. Jesus;
failed to inherit the throne of David as was promised to his mother.
failed to become king of the Jews.
failed to free the Jews from the Roman yoke.
failed rebuild the Temple.
This wouldn't make him a Messiah, although some of his close disciples believed him to be.
Jesus has not yet returned in his fully glory to collect his bride.I agree. Jesus hasn't returned in my time. But then the bible does mention that Jesus was physically "resurrected" from being a three day old corpse as a man 2000 years ago and in his own body:Well actually the bible is very clear that Jesus was physically resurrected.
Indeed and as I have already mentioned, Jesus is alleged to have been "resurrected from the dead" as a flesh and blood human man too.
Jesus appearing to his some of his followers said- " Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”Where does it say that?
In the Bible.
And Paul says - "I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable".So?
So you don't understand that verse then? Paul is denying that Jesus resurrected from being of flesh and blood and physically dead to being alive and living flesh and blood physically . If he had been he "cannot inherit the kingdom of God".
So with this in mind and your own opinion that the "last days" started with the destruction of the temple isn't it more likely that your lord Jesus has indeed been and gone and you have missed the bus?Jesus has not returned yet. Nothing you have said - would indicate anything else. Perhaps you should fill in the gaps that you seem to see - but no one else does.
I don't need to fill in any gaps, but you need to fill in the gap of some 2000+ years and the promise to return. I am of the opinion that you missed your heavenly ride to paradise. But it is only my opinion.
Do you have any biblical evidence to support that, or is this just your own opinion? It appears that Christians have quite a few opinions on why Jesus died on the cross and none are to do with ushering in "old last days" or new ones.I never said it was to usher in the last days.
So the death of Christ the messiah on the cross and the destruction of the Temple were not the beginning of the ushering in of the end times?