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@RationalMadman
Already did
MMA Mafia DP2
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@whiteflame
This is a bit of a dark horse choice. It wouldn't be the first time that we've had a team who started out relatively inactive and largely just let the main conflicts between town members play out. The more I'm watching you participate, the less I'm buying this as a viable team, but I'm still considering it.
Please realize I have not had access to stable and working internet since Friday at 4pm til Sunday at 1pm est. That timeframe I was on the road driving and at my friends university. In order for NP actions to go through, both mafia need to confirm the actions
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@RationalMadman
I literally said you are less likely to be scum after reading up than whiteflame. Reading comprehension -100
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@RationalMadman
I claimed vanilla a long time ago with my actual claim
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@whiteflame
Dude. I said in my post in Dp1 that I would not be as active as normal when it comes to DP1 and Dp2 due to my visit to my friends and didn't even know this game started before. And to think I fake claimed something I got no clue what the fuck it is? What would be the benefit of that.
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@RationalMadman
@Mharman
I am going to be very honest with you here because what you are saying about my, IDGAF attitude as mafia is far from the truth as a whole. It was only in recent games where I have made mistakes and YOLO'd lynch because I thought I had outs in a game to win with my plan and didn't think things over
This IDGAF attitude has stemmed from 1) inconvenient time of the game starting and 2) my trip
Your posts have been cluttered with you and whiteflame bickering constantly about each other. One of you is scum and I am confident in it. One of you is disengaging town to think to stir the pot and rush lynches. I don't need to analyze other behaviors until the time comes because there's 2 scenarios that can happen IMO
1. You are scum
2. WF is scum
That's the read I have. You are pushing a narrative that these 2 roles can not co-exist in anygame, this is not true. I have had these roles co-exist in this game before in a modified game
However, you are not a 1x or 2x of that role, but fully that role where I know Lunatic is not afraid of using 1x, which is my issue with the role
However, my issue with WF stems a bit more. He is pushing a VTNL to test his claim, "theory" to prove his innocence about himself, but that makes me believe he is going to bait mafia into doing a gambit, like he did in the game with me with the redirect
I also do not like his boxing claim at all. All of these techniques shown are a combined attack and defense type martial arts, but boxing is more reliant on the attack, which is why MMA fighters literally are terrible boxers. Sambo does the same thing too.
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@Vader
1. You are scum2. WF is scumThat's the read I have. You are pushing a narrative that these 2 roles can not co-exist in anygame, this is not true. I have had these roles co-exist in this game before in a modified game
This game isn't modified or bastard modding.
The idea that a role reverser can make the cop totally useless is really odd. My role would enable me to still achieve an alignment read with the role reverse hitting one of my targets, the harmony is far more realistic.
While the role reverse can render the tracker useless, the point is moot as the tracker is cleared by me and has no visit-analysing PR contradiction.
I have cleared the tracker, I am the parity cop (Justice) so anything that was revealed throughout this day phase, including the logic and severe errors that whiteflame has made in his analysis and reasoning, lead me to scumread whiteflame. His martial art can't fit any coherent theme, as well.
If whiteflame is town, I am to assume Mharman is found innocent, that scum therefore lies in you, mharman and that2 and that therefore you and that2 are scum.
Stop playing games with me telling me I've underanalysed or thought too simplistically about this.
There is absolutely no sensible reason for anybody in this game to be considering that both me and whiteflame are genuine in our claims. It thematically doesn't add up, he didn't even soft a cc to me day one at all. It's just fucking ridiculous.
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@Vader
However, my issue with WF stems a bit more. He is pushing a VTNL to test his claim, "theory" to prove his innocence about himself, but that makes me believe he is going to bait mafia into doing a gambit, like he did in the game with me with the redirect
What gambit? Is this a joke?
What gambit can a town cop pull at this point in the game with this situation?
There is zero gambit. The gambit is that today ends in NL, whiteflame can 100% ensure an unclear 3-way by killing me tonight, insisting his partner doesn't visit anybody.
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@Vader
I claimed vanilla a long time ago with my actual claim
it wasn't that long ago at the time I asked it and you had started the post with a 'sorry I was inactive' so I skimread it assuming you didn't claim after, which I later realised.
You still have not explained how your role and martial art were linked.
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@Vader
I literally said you are less likely to be scum after reading up than whiteflame. Reading comprehension -100
I read that. You based it on him being Boxing and you not thinking that's a martial art.
That's ridiculous reasoning.
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@Earth
Going to try to hash out the theme. Would like someone to repost the claims list.
Theme is irrelevant. Whiteflame easily risked a fakeclaim if Supa was his partner and lied with him.
If they weren't partners, Thetheme is just 'b' in the martial art or protective gear in the martial art.
These both make the team Sambo and Boxing, the only alternative would be that perhaps Supa lied.
If Supa lied, it's likely he's really BJJ but either way the real theme could be 'starts with B' or 'arms and legs' as the real scum-theme (with all martial arts of Town using combined limbs) of the game.
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@Earth
It's simple for me at this point, the action today is to lynch whiteflame, his revealed PM structure will give an invaluable clue as to who is scum out of the other three and you and I will both have the ability to use our powers that night (unless roleblockers) ensuring autowin (unless ninja or roleblocker).
ignore the plural 'roleblockers' in the initital paranthesis.
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@Vader
All of these techniques shown are a combined attack and defense type martial arts, but boxing is more reliant on the attack,
Wrong, Aikido is pure defence.
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@whiteflame
Also, let's be clear about something: seeing RM as sus means you do not trust his Justice result.
That's not how it works.
That's not what I accused based on.
You shouldnot even be considering anything past believing there'd not be 3 investigative PRs,
it's that simple.
As soon as your logic is 'there are not more than 2 investigative PRs' you instantly should conclude RM is scum as if he's town, Earth (the third investigative PR) is town.
Mharman also didn't realise I cleared Earth, which completely aligns with the idea that you two got carried away in your scumchat and both missed a crucial detail in deciding what BS reasons to give to justify a NL.
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@Vader
Yes, because the smart thing to do in Mafia is trust that people who say they aren't going to be very active aren't mafia. I've been burned by this before, dude. You're not my strongest scum read because I have trouble believing that you gave yourself such specific cover, but I can't validate when you were or were not on Discord and I can't be sure about your claim just because you said that you don't know what it is (even if I buy that you don't personally know it, that doesn't mean you couldn't claim it, especially if you had a scum partner who did).
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@RationalMadman
Go back to the second response I gave to you when Earth claimed his PR, first paragraph:
I do, however, see having a Watcher/Tracker, Cop and Justice as problematic, so yes, I have reason to suspect that either you or Earth are scum at this point, and based on your responses to him and me, I'm suspecting you more at the moment.
In other words, on this basis alone, I was sussing you in post #68. Since then, I've provided more reasoning for why I'm sussing you, which includes several posts regarding why I view Earth as town and you as scum. Your response to that, apparently, is that I shouldn't be considering other factors as part of my reasoning. That's fine for you, I guess, but I like to consider every piece of evidence that's on the table. I'm also looking through all this because what is confirmed to me, personally, is not confirmed to those who cannot see my PM. For them, determining which of us is lying about our role requires more than just repeatedly pointing out that there cannot be 3 investigative PRs.
Oh, and good to see you once again asserting that I somehow didn't realize that you'd cleared Earth, despite the fact that there are clearly multiple examples of me including it in my reasoning throughout this DP.
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@whiteflame
Put your vote where your mouth is.
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@Earth
@Vader
@Mharman
@That2User
Something really interesting to me is this.
The push for NL makes absolutely no sense from anybody's point of view who would be Town at this point in the day phase and game.
The reason for this, is the cop reports both clear a living person and the flip of a dead scum is essential to understand/predict both the theme and the role of the other and therefore determine whether (if you townread whiteflame) whiteflame's innocent on Mharman were real or not.
So, the logic runs like this for any town member at all (but this logic is closer to non-Earth members of Town):
- We will not be any more likely to determine scum today than tomorrow unless, out of WF and RM, one sacrifice-kills the other and then the partner kills the tracker the next night.
- We will not be any less likely to determine scum if we push for a vote right here right now, only talking and deception can occur more. Honest analysis will already have occured, there is essentially 0 room for further slips at this exact point in DP/game. We have explored every avenue of thought, can read the thought process of RM vs whiteflame and if we are that2user or supadudz, should be dead sure there's a CC there because mharman and earth can't both be innocent and probability is that mharman wouldn't be lawyered (and godfather just doesn't fit the theme but even if Sambo were godfather, why are we not wanting to lynch the partner first, which would be RM under this particular hypothetical).
- The gain of NL is 100% scumsided. What will happen is that, based on WF currently appearing to lose the CC if he is scum he sac-kills RM, doesn't care if he's tracked to it and lets his partner have a free 3-way since RM's innocent report is on the Tracker who the partner will kill the next night phase. On the flip side, if RM is scum, even though he's winning the CC there's still a simple gain to scum; get rid of Earth so there's no clear variable left in the game (who RM had no reason as scum to admit he had an innocent report on nor to pretend he could be tricked by scum after asking Lunatic).
- In fact, if RM is scum, NL benefits him and his partner so incredibly much if there's a roleblocker, all they do is roleblock the tracker, gamble the game on the already winning cc between RM and whiteflame and let the chips fall where they may when whiteflame catches RM's partner
This is the way your mind should perceive the hypotheticals. There is absolutely zero gain/logic that supports NL, it's entirely concocted by either very irrational townthink from Mharman (which contradicts his lynch-happy attitude DP1 when he joined the bandwagon on CN who he'd previously defended) or by whiteflame (who I am absolutely certain is scum now).
If we don't NL and Scum lacks a roleblocker, unless the scum is ninja who still has their power, the tracker and parity cop combination leads to an absolutely forced town win post-wf-lynch.
There is absolutely nobody who is Town, in That2, Supa, Mharman and Earth who should support NL here. Take a further note that Earth should selfishly want to be pushing for a lynch here as he is the most likely nightkill target, with me being secondary if WF opts for the sac.
it's entirely concocted by either very irrational townthink from Mharman (which contradicts his lynch-happy attitude DP1 when he joined the bandwagon on CN who he'd previously defended) or by whiteflame (who I am absolutely certain is scum now).
This was a brainfart by me, I said 'either irrational townthink' but after the 'or' said whiteflame.
I wanted to say something about whiteflame on top of it but I meant 'or scumthink'.
I think I was mafia with Supas in Ozark mafia and Supa was just as inactive then as he is now. Don't remember what Supa is as Town, but at any rate I think we should NL. I won't vote now, but I'm going to look through Wikipedia and sort the MMAs but category
ASIAN
Judo
Kung Fu
Karate
European
Sambo
South American
Capoeira
Boxing I can't really pin down because it apparently has roots in prehistory or some shit. Kung fu also seems to be a generic term.
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@Earth
but at any rate I think we should NL.
Why do you think we should NL?
At The Olympics
Karate
Judo
Sambo
Boxing
Muay Thai
Wrestling
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@Earth
Kung fu is very vast yes but so is wrestling.
Maybe the theme is something like Olympic sports (Town) Vs not. Meaning RM and Supa are scum.
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@Earth
dude, I know what you're trying but you need to believe me I thought about that for a whole 3 days now, there's no coherent theme
Nevermind Aikido isn't at the Olympics