MMA Mafia Day Phase 1

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Pie says no, RM says yes, not really any other reasons given other than RM's claim and Pie's distrust of RM. So Imma just make the decision to on whether or not to claim myself; I've gotten impatient waiting for town to come to a consensus on the issue. Plus I'm a little more confident in my abilities now that more information has come out about RM.

I'm no MMA expert but Kung Fu isn't on the list of most common MMA styles. Not from what I've researched. However, technically any martial art can be featured here in this game as Lunatic said, with CNerd's Aikido claim being one of them.

I am townreading CNerd because he is genuinely cooperating with town and the first thing he did in this game that strikes me as noteworthy is he claimed under no pressure whatsoever because he liked RM's idea. While some other townies and I had reservations about the strat, CNerd's first instinct here was to reveal what he could. This is exactly what he did in Ozark Mafia, except this time he didn't reveal his role. And yet, the pattern of outting too much in an effort to cooperate is still here a bit. He clearly attempts to contribute (Post #35), and he says he is townreading Wylted (Post #42) there but he had already outted what character he thinks Wylted is by then (Post #37). While obviously you don't want to out something like that if you (especially if you think the character is a defensive role), I don't think that makes CNerd scum, only noob town. If he were scum he would out it in a mafia PM, not to the rest of town. Given how inexperienced CNerd is at this game, I think it would also makes sense for him to make misplays like that, especially because outting too much information is the exact same noob mistake he made in Ozark Mafia. As for his increased activity, I just chalk that up to him being more enthusiastic about this game, or perhaps a tad more confident. Either way, I am not going to scumread someone for making an effort to try more. So yes, because I townread CNerd, I believe his Aikido claim.

With that out of the way, back to RM. My logic is, if Aikido, a role not common in MMA, is town, then it is plausible for Kung Fu to be town as well. I have no reason to suspect his character claim. But what about his role claim? While I don't know the reasoning as to why Kung Fu would be Justice (RM explain plz), it does explain his behavior thus far. The way he acts based on how his Role PM mentions balance along with his own role is (even his thought process follows the lines of his role, take two players and examine their relation) makes me think that there is a clear cohesion in how he is playing and he role, so yes, I believe his justice claim.

With that being said, I am going to trust his analysis and claim. I am Sambo.
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too late. i did
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I am down to lynch whiteflame or Pie today.

I like Mharman's and Earth's interactions.

I refuse to thematically suspect the mind-oriented Aikido and Karate as of yet.

Wrestling is very physically demanding but to be a good wrestler you do need quite a bit of knowledge, however would Wylted risk being CC'd for Krav Maga by not denying he was?

Idk.
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The justification given was balance. That was made clear.
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idk about theme split tho. I still kinda townread Wylted despite what he thinks of me. I think I can do some good research like in Ozark, but my I think it's going to be even harder to research given that this game, unlike Ozark, isn't themed around a scripted show with characters in the show filling specific roles. 

Any big UFC/MMA fans aside from Lunatic in here?
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i guess but from my experience wrestling requires more balance than one would think
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like the whole goal is to catch your opponent off balance and score a takedown, then use ground moves until an escape or pin happens
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aren't you a huge UFC fan?
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do you have any info on theme that could help?
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too late. i did
Buddying with RM I see. 
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i trust his analysis right now; just want some thoughts from supa
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@Mharman
I am townreading CNerd because he is genuinely cooperating with town and the first thing he did in this game that strikes me as noteworthy is he claimed under no pressure whatsoever because he liked RM's idea.
This is distinct from outright claiming, which he has done in the past games. He made 3-4 posts with detailed analysis, which we never have seen before from him. Then he decided to buddy with RM and claim.

While some other townies and I had reservations about the strat, CNerd's first instinct here was to reveal what he could.
No, his first instinct was to reveal what he thought was Wylted’s character. I don’t know how you believe this behavior is normal from him.

This is exactly what he did in Ozark Mafia, except this time he didn't reveal his role.
No. There’s was zero analysis from him in that game. Absolutely zero. Now he comes out of nowhere and starts researching and being extremely active? That is a complete behavior shift.

And yet, the pattern of outting too much in an effort to cooperate is still here a bit. He clearly attempts to contribute (Post #35), and he says he is townreading Wylted (Post #42) there but he had already outted what character he thinks Wylted is by then (Post #37).
That’s my point. If he was town, he’d be more laid back. As scum mafia feel like they have the obligation to post to seem like they’re contributing. You can’t townread him for “contributing” when scum can do that too.

While obviously you don't want to out something like that if you (especially if you think the character is a defensive role), I don't think that makes CNerd scum, only noob town. If he were scum he would out it in a mafia PM, not to the rest of town.
He has to maintain the facade of noob town as scum, which is why he claimed without any pressure. And he’s being active af. Again this behavior is inconsistent with his town behavior form the last game.

Given how inexperienced CNerd is at this game, I think it would also makes sense for him to make misplays like that, especially because outting too much information is the exact same noob mistake he made in Ozark Mafia.
I agree that this is noob mistake, but it’s a noob mafia mistake. I’ve seen noobs for years and this difference of behavior is concerning.

As for his increased activity, I just chalk that up to him being more enthusiastic about this game, or perhaps a tad more confident.
Confidence comes from information. Mafia have information. You can read it as noob all you want. Maybe it is. But there’s a clear distinction in behavior and we should act on it.

Either way, I am not going to scumread someone for making an effort to try more. So yes, because I townread CNerd, I believe his Aikido claim.
I think he’s scum based on behavior.
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i trust his analysis right now; just want some thoughts from supa
He thinks Lunatic gave him the thematic split in his PM. I frankly think that’s laughable. You’re welcome to believe it. 
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RM - Savate/Krav Maga —> Justice
That2user - Karate —> Vanilla
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ComputerNerd - Aikido
Mharman - Sambo
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Earth
Incel-Chud - Wrestling

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Have you asked whether Lawyers, Framers, GFs, etc have any impact with the functionality of your role?
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This is distinct from outright claiming, which he has done in the past games. He made 3-4 posts with detailed analysis, which we never have seen before from him. Then he decided to buddy with RM and claim.
I call that an effort to git gud.

No, his first instinct was to reveal what he thought was Wylted’s character. I don’t know how you believe this behavior is normal from him.
Post #35 is where that first instinct is; Post #37 is just suboptimal play.

No. There’s was zero analysis from him in that game. Absolutely zero. Now he comes out of nowhere and starts researching and being extremely active? That is a complete behavior shift.
Being more active doesn't always make one scum. Consider what happened the last two games he played. He wasn't active enough, people criticized his inactivity, and he got demotivated to play mafia afterwards, he has given it another shot here, and is more active because he wants to do well that badly.

That’s my point. If he was town, he’d be more laid back. As scum mafia feel like they have the obligation to post to seem like they’re contributing. You can’t townread him for “contributing” when scum can do that too.
He did more than just fake a contribution. He softclaimed his character, claimed vanilla ("It is not a power role" is what he said), and even gave what his character's style was in Post #35 alone. Not to mention Post #46, where he fully claimed his character.

He has to maintain the facade of noob town as scum, which is why he claimed without any pressure. And he’s being active af. Again this behavior is inconsistent with his town behavior form the last game.
Okay, but that is all speculation. I'd need to see something more concrete before I doubt my read on him.

I agree that this is noob mistake, but it’s a noob mafia mistake. I’ve seen noobs for years and this difference of behavior is concerning.
If that's the case then the mistake would be that he would've outed his thoughts publicly instead of in a mafia PM, or in both. Which is fair. Still, I would need something to go alongside it to flip my stance on him.

Confidence comes from information. Mafia have information. You can read it as noob all you want. Maybe it is. But there’s a clear distinction in behavior and we should act on it.
That information was Wylted saying he was softclaiming, which is info the all of us got when Wylted made his posts. CNerd just didn't handle it correctly.

I think he’s scum based on behavior.
I don't.
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the all would so I didn't ask as I know that from knowing mafia.
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I claimed Kung Fu.
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Sambo can be thirdparty but it can't be mafia btw.
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The split is mental vs physical martial arts, it's not balance oriented at all, I partly lied and also partly was curious if balance was the key.

Once it became obvious to me that it wasn't as a couple people described their PMs didn't say a thing about mental or physical and that balance wasn't mentioned either, I realised I'd been given a crucial unique clue indeed and that it was as simple as that my role PM contained the easter egg for Town.
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I don't think there's a TP in a 9 player game. It should be a 7v2
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I am balanced, Kung Fu is balanced do you understand why he dubbed my role 'Justice' because of the balance?
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I guess so
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@Mharman
The split is mental vs physical martial arts, it's not balance oriented at all, I partly lied and also partly was curious if balance was the key.

Once it became obvious to me that it wasn't as a couple people described their PMs didn't say a thing about mental or physical and that balance wasn't mentioned either, I realised I'd been given a crucial unique clue indeed and that it was as simple as that my role PM contained the easter egg for Town.
Do you understand the split I am saying now, wrestling involving balance isn't important (though it is the least balance-oriented martial art of them all as it specialises in not needing much balance, BJJ evolved from wrestling concepts by making it so that it wants you to be balanced but once you're not, you know how to abuse that situation)
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Do you want to vote whiteflame or vote Pie with me? I am 100% for forcing claims and down for those 2 out of the unclaimed.
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Please join me voting Pie or vote whiteflame, whichever you suspect more.
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In case I am strongman killed tonight (I predict there's a strongman and if there is, that it's Muay Thai, Wrestling could be many things if Incel is scum and I predict that it's either some form of bulletproof as wrestlers are really slippery with strikes or it's roleblock because even though wrestling is an offensive martial art, the idea is to completely overpower the opponent rendering them unable to use their own martial art well).

Alternatively, if I got it backwards and mental are the scum, Aikido is lawyer and karate is roleblocker.
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Everybody in Town please read the above it's very important to follow, post-death of me.
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I'm sussing both. Up to you
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I don't see any reason to town read computernerd other than for WIFOM reasons, so this is okay. I'd like to see some attention on Mharman though

VTL Computernerd