MMA Mafia Day Phase 1

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@Incel-chud
It wouldn't necessarily be computer nerd who would cc you, it could be me. You reacting to it but not denying you'd claimed krav maga is scummy af and if I'd been krav maga I'd have very much pushed on you.
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OMGUS?
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Dude interpreted it as krav manga, because krav manga is Jewish. I guess Jews are well known for their street fighting ability and Aren't continually victimized in the minority communities they choose to prop up, create and pander to. 

I  semi corrected him by clarifying that I was referring to the entire book of Genesis. 

You won't find Krav maga in Genesis, and I find it sad that none of you knew about Jacob wrestling with God, off the top of your head. 


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@Incel-chud
I'm pretty sure I understand your analysis on me. You say I am fluffing to fake contribute to the game. As I've said, I am simply expressing my thoughts to let the rest of town know what I am thinking, and then ask the rest of town for their input. The point of the post wasn't to even be a massive contribution. It was so that I know whether or not we are mass claiming here. I am ok with either option, I just want to know what the rest of town decides before I make a stupid decision.
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@Earth
You haven't claimed, I am uncc'd investigative role, you have no power to even suspect me.
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@Mharman
The stupidity of the decision doesn't depend on what others do, it depends on what is optimal to the situation and game.

We are in a game where scum have no been given fake claims (one of the first things said in the OP of this thread) and to not press on that when the investigative PR has had a severe clue in their role/martial-art descrpition from the host is simply suboptimal no matter what way you look at it, unless you are scum.
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@whiteflame
Karate completely fits the game's theme, I have no idea why you implied that That2 doesn't fit when ComputerNerd's martial art is even more defensive than Karate.
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Unvote

VTL Computer
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@RationalMadman
You claim first.
No.
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I’m comfortable lynching either ComputerNerd or That1User today.

I’ll give RM town benefits since he’s unCCed investigate role even though he’s supporting a mass claim for information that he refuses to share and doesn’t know if is accurate.
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@ComputerNerd
Pie: What behavior exactly? You read me as scum based off of 5 posts. There is no possible way for me to prove I'm innocent. I'll reiterate that my MMA is Aikido, known for being a disarming technique.
This proactive behavior is extremely unlike you and is completely different from your games as town. Scum have more incentive to be proactive and lead discussion in games.

And what emphasizes my suspicion is “disarming” actually. It screams Roleblocker to me.
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Let’s lynch ComputerNerd. His behavior has been completely different compared to previous games. And he says his role says disarm, which is comparable to Roleblocker.
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@RationalMadman
Is Aikido scum or town according your proposed theme?
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@ILikePie5
sure, claim first
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@ILikePie5
it's either extremely scum or extremely town, I can tell you that much
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Actually on the contrary my MMA career has gotten in the way of my weed-smoking.

ComputerNerd- 1 /5- ILikePie5
Mharman- 1 /5- incelchud
ILikePie5- 1 /5- RationalMadman


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I will now say this, it is extremely likely that Incel-chud is on the opposite side to ComputerNerd.

Karate is almost 100% Town because of Aikido being in the game and Wrestling being in the game. I will explain more later but one last thing, If Muay Thai is in the game, Wrestling and Muay Thai are the scum team.
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Those who claim right now are likely to get leniency on my bandwagon today.

Those who hesitate and are online before, will be held in contempt.

We absolutely lynch today.
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25.5 hours remaining.
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@RationalMadman
sure, claim first
No.

it's either extremely scum or extremely town, I can tell you that much
Lol ok. Keep your secrets to yourself. I’m still gonna lynch Computer
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@ILikePie5
Go ahead, that will end up putting a solid 3 on you as That2 has a similar role/theme description to computernerd and I'm voting you.
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I am Kung Fu, my role is called Justice, I am not sure why it's named that as the role definitely has other more applicable names on other mafia platforms.

The role take 2 players in the night action and determines if they are the same alignment, this was described wrongly by Lunatic in my description to be akin to 'if they are balanced' (which would mean the opposite but he put in explicit parantheses that it means if they are the same alignment.

I am balanced between mental and physical strength, in the words of Lunatic.

This was the first time he used 'balanced', the second being in how my role works, implying to me that there certainly was a link made for me to catch onto, perhaps accidentally or perhaps intentionally but I doubt he'd type it all like that plus something else he said if it wasn't strongly meant to imply that the game is split between mentally oriented martial arts and physically brutal ones.

Aikido is an extremely mentally-oriented martial art, to the point where there's nearly no true offensive moves in it at all. On balance, Karate is more mental especially if Lunatic sees it as defensive, it comes down to interpretation. A core value that ComputerNerd (who isn't Karate but anyway) didn't catch onto in his depiction of it is that it keeps holding mental strength over physical strength, so severely so that the most extremely physical variants of Karate have body hardening as part of them but this is much more about brutally torturing the body as the mind controls it, very aking to Kung Fu in fact.

So, if Karate is scum the theme-split favours mind-oriented martial arts and Aikido and Karate are the team which I find extremely unlikely would out so readily especially as ComputerNerd seemed to analyse the theme all on his own and assumed it was about the moral integrity of the martial art, since his own was very defensive (this makes extreme sense if  you were Aikido, town and new to the games here where theme splits have been a bit murky but not necessarily ruling out good vs evil in the past since he started here).

This then leads me to presume Wrestling as a scummy martial art. Incel/Wylted even went as far as to say 'if your second theory is the split then the second scumpool is correct' when I asked him about his martial art, originally. That scum pool was Boxing, Karate, Capoiera and Wrestling... Which was also actually wrong because balance is extremely important in Karate, but I was seeing who would say what when challenging that. Pie did notice that balance is important in all martial arts, though he didn't press further nor has he in any shape or form done anything other than inhibit the theme analysis.
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So, if Karate is scum the theme-split favours mind-oriented martial arts 
Sorry, I meant physical.
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Wait no, Lunatic used the word balance only when describing my role, I didn't slip and I'm not faking anything I remembered it wrong.

He said 'mastering' the first time and explained I master a balance (didn't use the word) of mental and physical strength.
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He did use the word balance twice in the PM, first when explaining that therefore I was Justice due to that and secondly in specifying what balanced means in my role's actions.
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so are we mass claiming or not?
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@RationalMadman
Alright... I really don't get it. I'm reading through your reasons for pushing so hard on this vision of what the theme split is, and it honestly just looks like you're getting caught up in the phrasing that Luna sent you for your role and how it works rather than anything about the theme split at large. I thought your initial post about the theme split came from some specific information Luna gave you in your PM directly attributing to the theme split, but it seems that you're inferring a lot from very little here.

That being said, we're actually thinking along similar lines about who we're sussing despite coming at it from markedly different angles. I also noted Incel's response to you in post #22 doesn't make any sense now that we know his character claim:

If your theme split is correct than out of the 2 scenarios you mentioned, the second potential scum team you mentioned is correct.
I'm unclear why he said this if he is wrestling, since that is in the scum pool in both scenarios. I'm reticent to vote for Incel given my history playing with him as Wylted, however, as I almost always feel like I'm reading him wrong. He often latches onto what he considers to be minor scum tells, which he did this game with Mharman, and makes definitive statements without much in the way of support or reasoning. That doesn't justify declaring this early and then obviously going back on it later, and I'd still consider a lynch on him, but he's not my top choice at the moment.

Personally, I'm leaning toward lynching ComputerNerd at the moment. I think Pie makes a good point about his behavior being rather distinct this game, and the Aikido claim sticks out like a sore thumb to me. All the claims that I've seen so far, including all of those you discussed early on, are common disciplines in MMA. I haven't seen Aikido listed as common, it's probably the rarest of the claims we've seen so far, and it looks a bit safe to me.

As for what I said about That2User earlier, look back at when I said it. At that point, That2 had only posted once, and it was to say that they were self-defense. That2 only announced that they were Karate later, which I'll grant you does fist into the game's theme. It was strange for That2 to go only that far in posting their character and then delay the actual character claim until later, which still sticks out to me, but not as much as either Incel's or ComputerNerd's behaviors.

Anyway, any further posting from me will have to wait until after work. For now, my vote goes on ComputerNerd.

VTL ComputerNerd
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@RationalMadman
So you’re telling me that your justification forms the basis for your theme analysis.

What makes you think that Lunatic would tell you just the theme. Let’s assume it is reasonable. We have to test it. So let’s lynch Computer who we both agree can be scum and figure it out 
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@Mharman
so are we mass claiming or not?
No
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Fighting is life... Are you a person who gives up or are you a person who's going to fight?

ComputerNerd- 2 /5- ILikePie5, Whiteflame
Mharman- 1 /5- incelchud
ILikePie5- 1 /5- RationalMadman