Why Should Americans Care About Ukraine?

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Well, in this case the bully is taking someone else's lunch.

'Maybe he want's yours as well, if he is not held accountable early on.
Maybe he 'just wants the one victim, but to stand by while injustice occurs, feels bad.

Still, I think there's more options than,
Do nothing,
Physically attack bully.
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and saving lives is not a "feel-good project."
Of course it's a "feel-good" project. You pick and choose who to help out of the 100 million that die every year on the basis of "feel-good"

Or are you myopic enough to think Ukraine is the only war going on right now?

"Priority" does not mean "the only thing we can do,"
That's exactly what priority means. It says do this BEFORE this. Otherwise it isn't a priority.

For instance, if you say securing the southern border takes priority over securing Ukraine's, then if you try to do both, it becomes clear that Securing the southern USA border clearly was not a priority.
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cause gas would be 6 dollars.
It's already 6 dollars in California.
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@Greyparrot
Of course it's a "feel-good" project. You pick and choose who to help out of the 100 million that die every year on the basis of "feel-good"

Or are you myopic enough to think Ukraine is the only war going on right now?
I know there are other wars on. Maybe we should be doing things to help those as well.

But really, characterizing an attempt to save lives as a "feel-good project" is rather callous.
"Priority" does not mean "the only thing we can do,"
That's exactly what priority means. It says do this BEFORE this. Otherwise it isn't a priority.
"That's exactly what priority means," you say, and then immediately provide a definition contradicting that statement. Regardless, the whole "we can't work on this problem until we work on this problem" is absurdly reductive. Should we not work on policing crime because the debt is more important, or neglect the debt because of abortion, or ignore abortion because of corruption? Policy is not an either-or question. It is, in fact, possible to do more than one thing at a time. And if you refuse to help other countries until you've sorted out all your own problems, you'll never help anyone. If you're fine with that kind of isolationism, that's up to you, but some of us can't sit by and watch people die when we could be doing something to help.
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 Regardless, the whole "we can't work on this problem until we work on this problem" is absurdly reductive.
No, I am pointing out your misuse of the word "priority"

Look up the 25/5 rule for success for clarification on what a priority is and is not.
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I can't wait until we start getting all these Ukranian refugees https://womenandtravel.net/hot-ukrainian-women/
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And if you refuse to help other countries until you've sorted out all your own problems, you'll never help anyone.

That's objectively not true. Cleaning your own room before saving the world isn't just a Jordan Peterson meme.

If you look up the 5/25 rule, you will see that without priorities and saying NO to things that are not priorities, it's near impossible to get anything done.
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Ukraine is in NATO lol
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I can't wait until we start getting all these Ukranian refugees 
The Fall of Ukraine is the direct result of a weak America dependent on Russian oil. It's the inevitable result of governing a nation with no priorities such as fighting for green energy before you have your domestic energy needs squared away.

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@Greyparrot
The fall of  Ukraine.

Is a direct result of the selfishness and paranoia of one person, namely Putin.


The U.S's insatiable desire for oil, is the result of the U.S. peoples insatiable desire for oil.


Trying to Blame Joe Biden  for the actions of Putin is a ridiculous argument.

But no more than one expects from narrow minded conservatives, trying to make political gain out of an ensuing humanitarian catastrophe.
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Trying to Blame Joe Biden  for the actions of Putin is a ridiculous argument.
You got it all wrong guvner.

I blame Biden for Biden's actions which then led to his inactions. Putin didn't create USA dependence on foreign oil.  We did it to ourselves. No Russian misinformation was necessary.
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@Greyparrot
No idea what you're on about now guvner.

You seem somewhat confused.

You're back tracking on your Biden and oil argument.

Now agreeing that that the U.S's insatiable oil appetite is what it is.

And Russian misinformation is to always be expected.

And Green Energy?


The bottom line is that Russia just  invaded the sovereign territory of Ukraine.

Essentially one mans war.

And you're trying to make political gain out of it.....I think.


So What would Donald have done?


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So What would Donald have done?

I don't give a fuck about an ex president not in power. I hold the person in the office responsible for allowing this war.

But go ahead and Blame Putin for America's weakness. God knows the world needs more victims.
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@Greyparrot
When did I "blame Putin for Americas weakness".

It's you that perceives American weakness.

I blame Putin for the ongoing catastrophe that is Ukraine.


So in your mind what should Joe have done differently?
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It's you that perceives American weakness.
You got me mixed up with some dude in Russia.

So in your mind what should Joe have done differently?
Something other than buy 500 million barrels of Russian oil to help fund Putin's pet war.
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Ukraine is in NATO lol
U drunk? 
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The bottom line is that Russia just  invaded the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
Ya and Biden isn’t doing the one thing that would stop the Russians in their tracks: stop buying oil from them. Why? Because we are no longer energy independent and “green energy” is years if not decades away.
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So where's all that oil you need going to come from?

And how would  not buying oil have stopped the Russians in their tracks?

Russians have got all the armour and fuel that they need to keep their tracks going.

It's the U.S. that needs the oil....Because as you say, you are not energy independent.

And Green energy is just not a relevant issue.

You are making stupid arguments for the sake of stupid arguments.


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America's weakness.
Your words.

Neither mine nor a Russian dude's.
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Why should we waste our money and suffer economically trying to “protect Ukraine.”
We're not defending Ukraine, we're defending democracy and sovereignty. Why is that so difficult?
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@zedvictor4
So where's all that oil you need going to come from?
It would come from not canceling the Keystone pipeline and lifting prohibitions on oil exploration. The US used to be a net oil exporter.


And how would  not buying oil have stopped the Russians in their tracks?
Russia makes a lot of money from selling oil. Some of the countries buying their oil are part of NATO. That’s a problem.


Russians have got all the armour and fuel that they need to keep their tracks going.
Thanks to foreign dependence on their exports.


It's the U.S. that needs the oil....Because as you say, you are not energy independent.
It’s not only the US. It’s many countries— even the UK!

And Green energy is just not a relevant issue.
This is just head in the sand ignorance. The pursuit of green energy, while well intended, has resulted in nations deemphasizing other sources of energy. The focus on renewables has ironically led to more dependence on foreign fossil fuels, such as Russia. It’s a variation on “not in my back yard” thinking…

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It's probably a good thing that people care about things and apathy towards war is definitely dangerous. Our global infrastructure seems precariously perched as is. 

I just want the news to be interesting though. One nuke then we'll call it off. 
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Nvm. I read an article saying they applied reading it as if it were improved
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Americans should support Ukrainians because thats the right human thing to do. Their humans and we should support other humans. I went to a Pro-Ukraine rally in Detroit yesterday, and made a " Putin is a dictator" sign. I didn't know much about Ukrainian culture but it was liberating. They have such a beautiful culture. They are fighters. There's beauty in that. Persisting and fighting even when it seems like all odds are against you. I respect Ukraine and their culture. They are amazing people. We should be their allies and stand in solidarity with them. 
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You know what, I did not truly resent you as a person until now. This is beyond trolling and is sheer seething sadism and sociopathy at its extreme.
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We're not defending Ukraine, we're defending democracy and sovereignty. Why is that so difficult?
We tried that in Afghanistan. Look where it put us.
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Americans should support Ukrainians because thats the right human thing to do. Their humans and we should support other humans. I went to a Pro-Ukraine rally in Detroit yesterday, and made a " Putin is a dictator" sign. I didn't know much about Ukrainian culture but it was liberating. They have such a beautiful culture. They are fighters. There's beauty in that. Persisting and fighting even when it seems like all odds are against you. I respect Ukraine and their culture. They are amazing people. We should be their allies and stand in solidarity with them. 
The right human thing to do was also to give democracy in Afghanistan. Look where we are now. The more we try to be the world’s police, the further things fall about. Whether you look at Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, the “right human thing to do” has always been a disaster.

Why should Americans suffer through higher gas prices because of some nation half of Americans probably have never even heard of up until this point
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Americans should support Ukrainians because thats the right human thing to do. Their humans and we should support other humans.
The Ukranian separatists are humans too, should they not have their rights respected?
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True.

Russia made money exporting oil and gas and we were all happy.

Now were not happy, because of the Ukraine crisis.

And blaming anything other than Vladimir Putin is stupid.

It's just not an argument about fuel demands and Green Energy evolution.

It's about backward thinking old style Soviet ideology and paranoia, from an aging despot.
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We're not defending Ukraine, we're defending democracy and sovereignty. Why is that so difficult?
We tried that in Afghanistan. Look where it put us.
These two examples are not remotely the same, but you already know that.
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Whether you look at Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, the “right human thing to do” has always been a disaster.
Yep. You can lead a horse to water but you can't force them to drink.