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China abstained from the UN Resolution condemning Russia. But they did mini sanctions today I think. Probably just for show tbh
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They just announced sanctions on Putin today
Better late then never.

Oil 100% won't be sanctioned though, which is the only reason Putin gets away with this.
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Keep using your strawman's to defend your outright stupid take that you make. I don't believe that being gay is OK, but it is not my place to judge. You are justifying going to war with a whole country because Russia agrees with your ideals and you agree with killing innocent people so you can be victorious. No ideology or belief can defend killing people unless you are that of a certain country in the 1940s called Nazi Germany. No matter what, gay or straight, people shouldn't die
I literally condemned the invasion multiple times, you are the only one strawmanning me
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your little witty comments of "putin thinks your full of shit" doesn't mean anything, its purely empty and that's all you are
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im not russian, I condemned the invasion many times in this thread
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"but supa is a neocon and fully supports gay american expansionism into the ME"
iM tHe StRaWmAn
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You sit there and say that it is impossible for Russia to be bad because the U.S. is bad. Like it's impossible for two things to both be bad. but I am simple.

Hilarious. Tell me another one.
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I think this is the point you are missing. Dictatorship, invasion, and oppression aren't the unsavory tools being used by someone with an otherwise good ideology.
and Biden is very fond of corruption, demographic replacement, cultural destruction, and more. Biden is someone with an otherwise good ideology. Biden is the dictator who was crowned after a fraudulent election, has a drugged-up son, and thinks I am a domestic terrorist.

They are Putin's ideology. Putin doesn't care about gay people or Christianity.

He only uses them to curry favor with people on the right. If he can make some people feel like he's on their side, then that weakens the political will to oppose his real ideology: a base desire for power. It's said that when someone shows you who they really are, believe them. Right now, by invading Ukraine, Putin is showing you who he really is. He is exposing his true ideology of conquest and control for all to see. I would suggest believing him.
Again I am not favor in the invasion or even explicitly pro-putin. He has cracked down on monarchists and other groups but is infinitely times better than Biden.

The idea that Supa wants any of those things is hilarious. Now I'm imagining Supa waving a gay pride flag in front of a brothel in Kabul. The thought just tickles my sense of absurdity.
If he supports the United States of America foreign policy then he supports that

Why? That's a genuine question. How does Ukraine being outside of NATO help Russia? NATO isn't opposed to Russia; they are only opposed to Russian aggression. All Putin has to do is not invade other countries, and NATO won't be a threat to him. Almost every country on the face of the planet seems to be able to do just fine without invading their neighbors. Consider what would happen if someone formed an alliance to oppose Zimbabwean aggression. It wouldn't do anything to hurt Zimbabwean interests at all, because Zimbabwe isn't aggressive. The same is true of Russia and NATO. I've repeated this several times, and I plan to keep repeating it: the one and only thing that Putin has to do to keep NATO from being a threat is to not invade other countries.
The US is in bed with Ukrainian businesses and military infrastructure. They trained soldiers for 8 years and Putin is right in his mind to invade for this reason. And no, Nato is opposed to Russia
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I said average russian, not putin. In fact Putin has cracked down on monarchists so I don't really like him. You are just obsessed with your little jokes on this website, going so far as to create YOUR OWN THREAD against me which strawmans me further
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you support that
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Quote me
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by supporting Ukraine and the west
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You support Russia's actions but not Putin, even though all of Russia's recent actions are Putin's actions.

Hilarious. Tell me another one.
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Nope, keep on strawmanning
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Trump supported LGBTQ+ rights and I supported him and so did you. Therefore bad logic
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 I am supporting Russia. (post 1)

I don't really like Putin (post 219)

It is a strawman to say that I support Russia but not Putin (post 224)
Hilarious. Tell me another one.

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Trump supported LGBTQ+ rights and I supported him and so did you. Therefore bad logic
You can support a person and not agree with everything they stand for lol
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I support Russia against the west because I share more cultural ties with them but am against the invasion and in general, against Putin. I have made this clear
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I no longer support Trump
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Comedy
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What's up Doc.

You've become one crazy mixed up kind of a guy.

And who's fault is that?....Nope not LGBT....But the Roman Catholic Church, a repressed upbringing and ultimately your own. 

It's 2022 Doc, not 1962, society moved on and you're still stuck in the past.

Same as your hero Putin it would seem.
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The title of this thread is "Russia and Ukraine" so when you say you support Russia in post 1 you are saying that you specifically support them against Ukraine. In other words that you support the invasion.

If you changed your mind on that after being called out on it that's fine. People are allowed to change their minds.

If that is the case though and you hold to supporting Russia then what specifically do you support Russia/Putin on? (Yes, the Russian government and Putin are one and the same. That's how autocracy/authoritarianism works. Obviously).
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Glory to Ukraine!!
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You need copium. You made a bad take and now want to double down on the bad take. It’s like saying “I like the iPhone but I DONT like the apps.”
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and Biden is very fond of corruption
Probably, but so is Putin, and Putin is way better at it. He is a billionaire. Some estimates put his wealth at 80 or even 200 billion dollars. No way he got that without corruption on a massive scale.
, demographic replacement, cultural destruction, and more.
Do you have any evidence that Biden actually supports these things? Regarding "cultural destruction," can you define that? I would ask that you be careful with your definition and evidence of Biden's support for it. Does he actually support destroying America's culture, or does he just happen to support things that you call "cultural destruction?" There is a world of difference between those two things. And even if he does support those things, Putin's oppression is still far worse for Russia than those are for the US.
 Biden is the dictator who was crowned after a fraudulent election, has a drugged-up son, and thinks I am a domestic terrorist.
He does not have the power of a dictator, and is not ruling like one either. I'm not even sure he's competent enough to do so. The election was not fraudulent. He doesn't think you are a domestic terrorist, unless you were in the Capitol on January 6. He does have a drugged-up son, but bad parenting isn't an ideological question.
Anyone who claims to support Christianity but then proceeds to murder, oppress, and invade is very far in the red so far as "doing things for Christianity" goes. Biden is also in the red on that front, but he clears Putin's bar easily.
Again I am not favor in the invasion or even explicitly pro-putin. He has cracked down on monarchists and other groups but is infinitely times better than Biden.
Cracking down on monarchists while ruling as a dictator is a rather ridiculous thing to praise Putin for. Sure, he's opposed to people who want a king to have absolute power, but only because he wants absolute power for himself. Also, Putin is a murderer and a conqueror. Biden is not. That makes Biden infinitely better than Putin.
If he supports the United States of America foreign policy then he supports that
There is no connection between supporting American foreign policy and supporting "gay American expansionism." Even if there was, supporting American foreign policy is not an all-or-nothing question. It is possible to support some parts without supporting others.
The US is in bed with Ukrainian businesses and military infrastructure.
Yes. So what? Ukraine was never going to invade Russia or do anything to threaten Russia militarily. How does invading Ukraine do anything at all to help Russia?

As an analogy, France has recently provided some major military support to the UAE. Does that automatically make the UAE a threat to its neighbors because it is supported militarily by a world power?
And no, Nato is opposed to Russia
Really? They've placed sanctions on Russia, but only when Russia annexes part of other countries, threatens to invade other countries, and actually invades other countries. None of that is aggression on NATO's part, and can easily be avoided by not annexing, threatening, and invading. And there is no chance whatsoever that NATO was going to attack Russia militarily. So explain to me how Ukraine joining Russia would hurt NATO. What would it do to Russia? Would there be any risk of NATO invading Russia? Or would it only make it harder for Russia to invade Ukraine? Please, try to give specifics. How would Ukraine joining NATO hurt Russia?

Again, NATO is opposed to Russian aggression, not Russia itself. So long as Russia does not invade, threaten to invade, or annex parts of other countries, NATO is no threat to Russia. It is a defensive alliance, not an offensive alliance.
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Another thought: NATO didn't even have the stomach to continue fighting in Afghanistan against a ragtag collection of terrorists who didn't even have tanks or aircraft, let alone nuclear weapons. What in the world makes you think they are a military threat to Russia?
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Again I am not favor in the invasion or even explicitly pro-putin. He has cracked down on monarchists and other groups but is infinitely times better than Biden.
Cracking down on monarchists while ruling as a dictator is a rather ridiculous thing to praise Putin for. 
Read again, Frankie says Putin is better despite being anti-monarchy. Frankie is actually saying that monarchy is good. Not a typo or misunderstanding, see post 219 for confirmation.

I am convinced that Frankie's political stances are all decided using the motto "WWBSD?" (What Would a BDSM Submissive Do?)
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Again, NATO is opposed to Russian aggression, not Russia itself. So long as Russia does not invade, threaten to invade, or annex parts of other countries, NATO is no threat to Russia. It is a defensive alliance, not an offensive alliance.
I am not so sure NATO is actually opposed to at least part of Russia's aggression. Ukraine extorts high taxes on oil shipped out the Black Sea. That cost is passed onto NATO members who, on average, rely on Russia to deliver 35% of their energy needs due to poor policy choices. Some more and some less. If you have been following the sanctions, there are no sanctions on Russian oil and gas. It seems to me that NATO is willing to turn a blind eye to Russia gaining Black Sea access and bypassing the corrupt middleman of Ukraine if it means lower energy costs. 

This seems to be the actual story with NATO's decision to publicly condemn the action while financially supporting the flow of energy. As usual, this war boils down to oil. Nothing more nothing less.


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Read again, Frankie says Putin is better despite being anti-monarchy. Frankie is actually saying that monarchy is good. Not a typo or misunderstanding, see post 219 for confirmation.
Oh...I don't know whether to apologize to him for misreading his post or sit here stunned that he supports a monarchy.
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I am not so sure NATO is actually opposed to at least part of Russia's aggression. Ukraine extorts high taxes on oil shipped out the Black Sea. That cost is passed onto NATO members who, on average, rely on Russia to deliver 35% of their energy needs due to poor policy choices. Some more and some less. If you have been following the sanctions, there are no sanctions on Russian oil and gas. It seems to me that NATO is willing to turn a blind eye to Russia gaining Black Sea access and bypassing the corrupt middleman of Ukraine if it means lower energy costs. 
If true, that makes NATO even less of a threat to Russia. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it's true, though. Most of the NATO member states are pretty hypocritical when it comes to energy.