Where do you see the US in a 100 years?

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@Reece101
I assume you’re talking about decadents from a conservative Islamic lens. 
- Buddy, your culture is so far into the extremes of all Human History, the decadence is manifest through all lenses as the sun is in bright day. 


Decadence leads to corruption which leads to oppression equaling death? Can you be more specific?
- Decadence corrupts people, both mentally & spiritually. On one hand, the stability & security which surrounds self-indulgence makes individuals desensitized from the harshness & realities of life, they lose their courage & sense of dignity. The strange things we see today are testament, all that nonsense about PC culture & "safe-spaces" & "triggers' & "mental" problems leading to even suicide for the dumbest of things. On another hand, the self-indulgence entails violation of all boundaries, i.e. hedonism. Individuals lose all self-discipline, hence all self-checks against immoral & oppressive actions.  On yet another, self-gratification leads to selfishness (individualism), therefore loss of social solidarity & cohesion. All that said, with the slightest instability the whole nation collapses into chaos.


Self-gratification, self-indulgence, immodesty are all vague concepts.  
- Don't play dumb with me, everybody knows EXACTLY what those mean. 


Would you consider them more internally detrimental to a civilisation rather than externally?
(Note: after reading your last paragraph I think I know where you stand for the most part.)
- What exactly do you mean by that?


For example public beheadings for witchcraft and other such things. In meany ways public executions are self-gratifying, self-indulgent, and immodest.
- & the earth is flat, & ice-cream is potato, & I'm the queen of England...


Though you might claim otherwise, many conservatives in the West wouldn’t mind invading said society. 
- Of course they wouldn't. The great civilized Western nations need to show these other uncivilized people some civility. You people are seriously becoming a joke to the world, not a very funny joke though. 


Some try to cling onto barbaric teachings which stagnate their societies. 
- Barbarism can also be very successful, though it's unsustainable. It's like criminal organizations, they rise fast & fall even faster. Hence, the West is stagnating, & falling..


- You mean, decadence kills nations? Absolutely. It's just math. 
 We’re not just talking about nations.

Do you think the Aztec Empire died out due to too many human sacrifices to their gods? 
- Part of the reason of their collapse is indeed some level of decadence, though majoritarily it's due to Spanish "civilizing" attempts, aka genocide & systematic deception.


I don’t think you understand how vague you’re being when talking about decadence.
- Which part of self-indulgent & self-gratification & degeneracy do you not understand?


Though you will probably think Allah gave them smallpox.
- Allah dominates all the worlds. 


Can you give me estimates after you properly define what you mean by decadence?
- Are you seriously asking, or are you playing dumb.


Okay so mainly due to war and conquest then. Does that make war and conquest justifiable on that count? Do you think it’s justifiable in the modern era? Wouldn’t you also consider the ones conducting said wars are partaking in self-gratification, self-indulgence, and immodesty? In other words, decadence. 
- What the hell are you even talking about?! Do you understand English?
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@Yassine
I assume you’re talking about decadents from a conservative Islamic lens. 
- Buddy, your culture is so far into the extremes of all Human History, the decadence is manifest through all lenses as the sun is in bright day. 
You’re abstracting culture to the extent that it’s turning into the human condition. 

- Decadence corrupts people, both mentally & spiritually. On one hand, the stability & security which surrounds self-indulgence makes individuals desensitized from the harshness & realities of life, they lose their courage & sense of dignity. The strange things we see today are testament, all that nonsense about PC culture & "safe-spaces" & "triggers' & "mental" problems leading to even suicide for the dumbest of things. On another hand, the self-indulgence entails violation of all boundaries, i.e. hedonism. Individuals lose all self-discipline, hence all self-checks against immoral & oppressive actions.  On yet another, self-gratification leads to selfishness (individualism), therefore loss of social solidarity & cohesion. All that said, with the slightest instability the whole nation collapses into chaos.
Here you’re describing the culture war mixed with your own narrative. It’s manufactured by media you’ve partly bought into. 

Self-gratification, self-indulgence, immodesty are all vague concepts.  
- Don't play dumb with me, everybody knows EXACTLY what those mean. 
Vaguely. Can you give me a few examples contextually?

Isn’t a man who beats his wife for talking to strangers or for not wearing a hijab or burka, self-indulgent and self-gratifying?
Although some would consider the woman had it coming for being “immodest.”

Would you consider them more internally detrimental to a civilisation rather than externally?
(Note: after reading your last paragraph I think I know where you stand for the most part.)
- What exactly do you mean by that?
Is an army justified for laying siege and pillaging such a place? Might makes right sort of logic.

For example public beheadings for witchcraft and other such things. In meany ways public executions are self-gratifying, self-indulgent, and immodest.
- & the earth is flat, & ice-cream is potato, & I'm the queen of England...
A non sequitur with a small whataboutism added at the end. Nice. Well at least I know where you stand when it comes to witchcraft. 

- Of course they wouldn't. The great civilized Western nations need to show these other uncivilized people some civility. You people are seriously becoming a joke to the world, not a very funny joke though. 
Yeah it’s people pushing this culture war bullshit. 

- Barbarism can also be very successful, though it's unsustainable. It's like criminal organizations, they rise fast & fall even faster. Hence, the West is stagnating, & falling..
 You think America will collapse within 100 years?
I say it will continue declining in influence, have a few outbursts, have many economic rough patches, and adapt.

- Part of the reason of their collapse is indeed some level of decadence, though majoritarily it's due to Spanish "civilizing" attempts, aka genocide & systematic deception.
What was a major form of decadence that lead to their downfall other than systematic deception, and genocidal forces from the outside. 

- Which part of self-indulgent & self-gratification & degeneracy do you not understand?
When it comes to systematic deception.

Though you will probably think Allah gave them smallpox.
- Allah dominates all the worlds. 
Exactly. Allah wills all things. Fantastic. 

Can you give me estimates after you properly define what you mean by decadence?
- Are you seriously asking, or are you playing dumb.
Is homosexuality decadent? 

Okay so mainly due to war and conquest then. Does that make war and conquest justifiable on that count? Do you think it’s justifiable in the modern era? Wouldn’t you also consider the ones conducting said wars are partaking in self-gratification, self-indulgence, and immodesty? In other words, decadence. 
- What the hell are you even talking about?! Do you understand English?
I try to correct as meany mistakes as I can. I think it makes enough sense. Though I will try again.

Conquest motivated by spoils of war are in and of themselves decadent, don’t you think?


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@Reece101
You’re abstracting culture to the extent that it’s turning into the human condition. 
- Is this supposed to be a meaningful sentence?


- Decadence corrupts people, both mentally & spiritually. On one hand, the stability & security which surrounds self-indulgence makes individuals desensitized from the harshness & realities of life, they lose their courage & sense of dignity. The strange things we see today are testament, all that nonsense about PC culture & "safe-spaces" & "triggers' & "mental" problems leading to even suicide for the dumbest of things. On another hand, the self-indulgence entails violation of all boundaries, i.e. hedonism. Individuals lose all self-discipline, hence all self-checks against immoral & oppressive actions.  On yet another, self-gratification leads to selfishness (individualism), therefore loss of social solidarity & cohesion. All that said, with the slightest instability the whole nation collapses into chaos.
Here you’re describing the culture war mixed with your own narrative. It’s manufactured by media you’ve partly bought into. 
- If you keep doing this, I'm just gunna drop it. I know you can be smarter than this. Try your best to read that again.


Vaguely. Can you give me a few examples contextually?
- Ask your English teacher.


Isn’t a man who beats his wife for talking to strangers or for not wearing a hijab or burka, self-indulgent and self-gratifying?
- If you're into that type of kinky BDSM shit, then yes.  


Although some would consider the woman had it coming for being “immodest.”
- You seem to be wanting to say something, but you're trying to shove a camel into a needle. 


Is an army justified for laying siege and pillaging such a place? Might makes right sort of logic.
- By the time that happens, that place would've already self-destructed.  


A non sequitur with a small whataboutism added at the end. Nice. Well at least I know where you stand when it comes to witchcraft. 
- You keep using words bigger than your brain, it's making this awkward. Take it easy buddy!


Yeah it’s people pushing this culture war bullshit. 
- Yours, that is. 


 You think America will collapse within 100 years?
- 100 years is a very long time. The Soviets did in 10.


I say it will continue declining in influence, have a few outbursts, have many economic rough patches, and adapt.
- 50 years ago there were more urban people living in the US than East & South Asia combined (save Japan) producing a third of global industry. Today, more urban people live in 4 Chinese provinces (out of 23) than all of the US, & the industrial output of only 3 Chinese provinces surpasses that of the US. Where do you believe this equation is headed?


What was a major form of decadence that lead to their downfall other than systematic deception, and genocidal forces from the outside.
- Self-gratification.


- Which part of self-indulgent & self-gratification & degeneracy do you not understand?
When it comes to systematic deception.
- Smarten up...


Exactly. Allah wills all things. Fantastic.
- Absolutely. You included.


Is homosexuality decadent?
- Normalizing it obviously is.
 

I try to correct as meany mistakes as I can. I think it makes enough sense. Though I will try again.
Conquest motivated by spoils of war are in and of themselves decadent, don’t you think?
- It may actually help to consult a dictionary this time.


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@Yassine
- Which part of self-indulgent & self-gratification & degeneracy do you not understand?
When it comes to systematic deception.
- Smarten up...
Islam is pretty degenerate you gotta admit. 

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@Reece101

- Smarten up...
Islam is pretty degenerate you gotta admit. 
- You dumbed up. Never go full retard.

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@Yassine
You’re wrong in so many ways I couldn’t be bothered to answer everything.
I responded to you how I would have responded to a conservative Christian.
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@Yassine
I should have said a theocratic Christian. Unlike Islam, Christianity doesn’t have teachings to establish a theocracy. 
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@Reece101
I should have said a theocratic Christian. Unlike Islam, Christianity doesn’t have teachings to establish a theocracy. 
- You're trying too hard to shove that camel into the needle. Islam is too high a summit for your moral abyss to even glimpse. Stay with your primitive tribal systems, please! Although, for someone who loves to talk, why do you always run from debates, huh?  

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@Yassine
- You're trying too hard to shove that camel into the needle. Islam is too high a summit for your moral abyss to even glimpse.
The summit with 72 virgins? Very decadent. 

Stay with your primitive tribal systems, please! Although, for someone who loves to talk, why do you always run from debates, huh?  
We both know it just turns into who can bother to write more. Most of your replies didn’t address what I said. 
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The summit with 72 virgins? Very decadent. 
- Case in point, moral abyss dweller.


We both know it just turns into who can bother to write more.
- More running away. That's not even a good excuse... 


Most of your replies didn’t address what I said. 
- How does one address another's attempt of shoving a camel into a needle? 
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- How does one address another's attempt of shoving a camel into a needle? 
With magic?
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With magic?
- The type you use to run away?

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I’m sorry I hurt you.

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I’m sorry I hurt you.
- Aren't you tired of hiding & running from debate?

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@Yassine
- Aren't you tired of hiding & running from debate?
What actually’s tiring is typing walls of information for us to only speak past each other.  
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What actually’s tiring is typing walls of information for us to only speak past each other.  
- You'd have better chances if you had used your brains to debate instead of doing these dodging tactics.

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@Yassine
- You'd have better chances if you had used your brains to debate instead of doing these dodging tactics.
Better chances with what? I was pointing out decadence of your world view when it comes to war and Islam and you were the one dodging. 
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I don't see the US existing in 100 years. How could it? Its run by tyrants with child like minds. Don't see that ever changing. Just going down hill with each passing year. The US is the Weimar Republic on steroids. I think The US will split into smaller countries to escape the tyrannical dictatorial oppression of  the socialist/communist  loving US Govt.  The country is split right down the middle and neither side wants anything to do with the other side. There is 0 common ground, none. Its time for states to start seceding so like minded people can live in peace with each other and prosper instead of having the US federal govt spend our futures into fiscal oblivion like it is doing now. There is no prosperous future with the US federal govt  at the wheel.  I see absolutely no hope for my children, none.

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I don't see the US existing in 100 years. How could it? Its run by tyrants with child like minds. Don't see that ever changing. Just going down hill with each passing year. The US is the Weimar Republic on steroids. I think The US will split into smaller countries to escape the tyrannical dictatorial oppression of  the socialist/communist  loving US Govt.  The country is split right down the middle and neither side wants anything to do with the other side. There is 0 common ground, none. Its time for states to start seceding so like minded people can live in peace with each other and prosper instead of having the US federal govt spend our futures into fiscal oblivion like it is doing now. There is no prosperous future with the US federal govt  at the wheel. 
- Polarization is surging. As you said, common grounds are shrinking. Antagonism is brewing...etc, & almost half the people are armed (there are more guns than people in the US)... Do you see any possibility of civil war arising from these conditions?


I see absolutely no hope for my children, none.
- That's the fruit of the Liberalist Capitalist Nationalist system. Maximization of self-gratification, profit & national interests in the immediate present, at the expense of others & own future, will inevitably be paid for by the succeeding generations.

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I agree I don't think one entity will own the US in 100 years I think it'll probably be split up between some other larger countries like Russia and China maybe some European countries but that's hard to say.