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and you seem to concede that "Freedom Convoy 2022" had few professional truckers.
what exactly are you suggesting ?
were all the semi trucks driven by hobbyists ?
Truckers fight Facism.
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there is no king of the protests, these people are not oligarchs
Seems like you accept breaking the law, race-baiting, and violence against largely unarmed populations. The NAZIs had no king but that didn't make them non-fascists. If you are pro-Trump, pro-Putin then I think that well establishes an alignment with autocracy with sufficiency in combination with right-wing nationalism, regimented economic and social outlook, fascist self-identifications like flying confederate flags (Canadians can't claim any states rights args), spray-painting swastikas over the maple leaf, etc to justify fascist as a reasonably fair characterization of the overall political outlook. Certainly more fascist than the government actors the protestors were calling fascist. I don't think we need to establish here that every protestor was some kind of conscious advocate for fascism in principle, only that when GP says "truckers fight fascists" the protestors were objectively more in alignment with the principles of fascism than the govt and that Canadian trucking as an industry was not well represented by this protest, which establishes as a fact that GP's thesis is the opposite of the truth.
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-->@oromagiand you seem to concede that "Freedom Convoy 2022" had few professional truckers.what exactly are you suggesting ?were all the semi trucks driven by hobbyists ?
Please read my arguments posted in this forum for the answers to your questions.
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If you are pro-Trump, pro-Putin the
none of the above, try again
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Please read my arguments posted in this forum for the answers to your questions.
might i suggest you do a better job of explaining your position
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The NAZIs had no king but
they were a cult-of-personality with a de facto king
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right-wing nationalism
none of these protests were demanding a wall or deportation of immigrants
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an alignment with autocracy
this has got to be a joke
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were all the semi trucks driven by hobbyists ?
this is a rather simple "yes" or "no" question
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-->@oromagiIf you are pro-Trump, pro-Putin thenone of the above, try again
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-->@oromagiPlease read my arguments posted in this forum for the answers to your questions.might i suggest you do a better job of explaining your position
Nope. I am confident you are just too lazy to read my prior remarks, in which my position was explained and illustrated multiple times.
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were all the semi trucks driven by hobbyists ?this is a rather simple "yes" or "no" question
He won't answer that. It would ruin his work of fiction.
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-->@oromagiThe NAZIs had no king butthey were a cult-of-personality with a de facto king
same with Trump. same with Putin.
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If you are pro-Trump, pro-Putin thenone of the above, try again
a photo of someone with a trump flag does not make the protest about trump - it's in CANADA FOR CHRISTS SAKE
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same with Trump. same with Putin.
none of the humans i've spoken to who are actually at the protest are fans of trump or putin
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in which my position was explained and illustrated multiple times.
you spend a lot of time dithering over percentages, but with no clear point to any of it
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-->@oromagiwere all the semi trucks driven by hobbyists ?this is a rather simple "yes" or "no" question
This has already been answered three or four times.
Don't make your failures/unwillingness to read/comprehend my problem, please.
I'm not going to re-research all my prior research but from memory-
- At peak, early Feb, journalists counted 400 semis relative to 4,000 protestors.
- So- less than 10% representation at peak.
- This alone proves the point
- On that day, Ottawa police reported that the most frequent ticket they had to write was driving a rig without a class A license.
- Police gave no hard number for tickets written but reported 1200 tickets issued to protestors that day, so let's estimate between 100-300 were for no class A license.
- By definition, you must have a class A license to be a professional truck driver in Canada and so it looks like probably the majority of those 400 semis were not driven by professional truck drivers.
- This is reinforced by reports of stolen rigs and many reports of unauthorized use of rigs nationwide and the fact that two stolen cabs were recovered from the protest site.
- So not hobbyists, necessarily, but probably not even a majority of drivers of semis were actual truckers and that number less than 10% of the protest on its most represented day. Not really a trucker's event at all.
- At the end of the day, only 34 semis had to be towed- so that's 34 trucks pretending to speak for 353,000 truckers- less than 1 in 1000.
- That fact, by itself, suggests anti-democratic/authoritarian outlook. If you think that the opinion of one in one thousand should override the majority, then your outlook is authoritarian.
- So not hobbyists, necessarily, but probably not even a majority of drivers of semis were actual truckers and that number less than 10% of the protest on its most represented day. Not really a trucker's event at all.
That's like saying The civil rights movement wasn't a "legitimate" civil rights movement since only 10% of the people fighting to erase merit based on skin were black.
Disgusting.
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suggests anti-democratic/authoritarian outlook
hardly
That's like saying The civil rights movement wasn't a "legitimate" civil rights movement since only 10% of the people fighting to erase merit based on skin were black.Disgusting.
Well if all the major Black organizations and the overwhelming majority of Black people were saying that claims to representing black people's interests were entirely false and that the movement was in fact actively harming Black interests to a spectacular degree then your analogy would apply. Yes, I would oppose a movement that pretended to represent black civil rights while almost all black people cried foul and complained of active harm to their interests.
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Well if all the major Black organizations and the overwhelming majority of Black people were saying that claims to representing black people's interests were entirely false and that the movement was in fact actively harming Black interests to a spectacular degree then your analogy would apply. Yes, I would oppose a movement that pretended to represent black civil rights while almost all black people cried foul and complained of active harm to their interests.
This sounds like a rant from David Duke.
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The Ontario Ministry of Transportation has effectively shut down 39 trucking businesses in the wake of a crackdown on so-called Freedom Convoy protesters.
Responding to questions from trucknews.com, the ministry confirmed that 12 suspension and seizure orders were issued to Ontario-based large truck operators involved in the protests, suspending their operating authority throughout Canada, and issuing an order to seize all the plates registered to them. [**]
Responding to questions from trucknews.com, the ministry confirmed that 12 suspension and seizure orders were issued to Ontario-based large truck operators involved in the protests, suspending their operating authority throughout Canada, and issuing an order to seize all the plates registered to them. [**]
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Right, you understand how that illustrates my point exactly- right?
12 Truckers lost their license in Ontario and 27 others nationwide for blocking legitimate commercial traffic for weeks.
So that's fewer than 40 truckers pretending to represent the interests of 353,000.
Why would anybody refer to the protestors as "truckers" when so few truckers supported their cause and so many truckers were so badly harmed by the blockades?
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39 trucking businesses
FEB 28th: California trucker ‘freedom convoy’ headed to DC disbands after one day when only five rigs reach second stop
A convoy of truckers who were heading from California to Washington DC for Joe Biden’s State of the Union (SOTU) address have been told to find another protest fleet after theirs fell apart before its first stop.
Organisers of the “US Freedom Convoy” - which had been expecting up to 2,000 truckers prior to its departure from Los Angeles on Friday - disbanded the caravan and cancelled all associated rallies on Saturday after only five rigs arrived in Las Vegas.
No trucks made it DC for the SOTU rally. That rally had ten people and no trucks at the Washington Monument last night. A convoy of seven trucks was spotted in Colorado today. Not exactly 2.5 million.
A member of the liberal “Squad” is delivering a formal response to President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address Tuesday.
In the speech, given on behalf of the left-wing group Working Families Party, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) is expected to hammer moderate Democrats who have stymied Biden’s social spending and climate change package.
Tlaib will praise Biden’s stimulus bill and make the case that liberals have pushed aggressively for his agenda, according to a summary of her remarks shared exclusively with POLITICO. She is also planning to argue that Republicans and a handful of intransigent Democrats have blocked progress on lowering the cost of housing, health care and prescription drugs.
In the speech, given on behalf of the left-wing group Working Families Party, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) is expected to hammer moderate Democrats who have stymied Biden’s social spending and climate change package.
Tlaib will praise Biden’s stimulus bill and make the case that liberals have pushed aggressively for his agenda, according to a summary of her remarks shared exclusively with POLITICO. She is also planning to argue that Republicans and a handful of intransigent Democrats have blocked progress on lowering the cost of housing, health care and prescription drugs.
Who needs Trucks when they have the Squad?
MUCH-HYPED DC TRUCKER RALLY TURNS out to be a COMPLETE JOKE
‘WHERE ARE THE TRUCKS?!’ : Millions of hits and boatloads of hype later, the dozen rally-goers who showed up ended up calling it a day hours ahead of schedule.
WASHINGTON, D.C.— Only a handful of protesters inspired by anti-vaccine mandate trucker convoys in Canada showed up in the nation’s capital Tuesday afternoon for the “Stage of Freedom” event near the Washington Monument.
Despite the initial hefty estimate that upwards of 3,000 attendees would show, only 12 rally-goers had actually assembled for the gathering just hours ahead of President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address Tuesday evening.
The right-wing rally’s organizer, MMA fighter and Maryland gubernatorial hopeful Kyle Sefcik, opened the event—where press and police massively outnumbered protesters—by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance before launching into a lengthy speech mixing shameless self-promotion with grievances aimed at the truckers who didn’t show up.
“I wanted to see with my own eyes what people were really about,” Sefcik said. “As you see, with the millions of hits and the hundreds of thousands of people that are behind the movement, there are still not people showing up and being about it!”
The rambling speech, which at times took oddly specific tangents, pressed forward with Sefcik wondering where the convoy of truckers—supposedly aiming to disrupt the Beltway area in protest of vaccine mandates, among other MAGA causes—actually were.
“Where are the trucks?! Where are the trucks?!” Sefcik yelled at one point. “I know the ones that I had planned coming… they’re not even allowed in because they need a commercial license and have proof of a checkoff today because of the checkpoints, so they weren’t even able to stage and make it look cool here.”
“But I still showed up, even if none of you did,” he continued. “I’d still be right here because I keep my word.”
Near the end of his speech to a row of television cameras, Sefcik admitted he had “lost money” on the day’s activities.
The “Stage of Freedom” flop came after right-wing media stars had spent days hyping and praising the rally.
“Listen, this is how it’s done,” Fox News host Dan Bongino said last week. “They are making it clear from the start what their goals are, they are making everything transparent, so there is no guesswork… This, ladies and gentlemen, is how it’s done!”
Other oddities at the sparsely attended event included speakers who only went by their first names, including “Pastor Clark” and “Pastor Sermon,” and incomprehensible speeches full of tortured metaphors about cows, fences and about the need to understand God.
While speaking with The Daily Beast as a small group of guitar players replaced him on stage, Sefick acknowledged his poor showing.
“Bro, there are at least 11 [people], dude. Come on, man,” Sefcik joked about the rally, which wrapped up hours ahead of its planned 8 p.m. conclusion, before claiming that it “wasn’t about” turnout, actually.
“Just because the amount of people don’t show up,” he said, “it’s not about that, we are going to stick to what we are doing.”
While the party out of power typically gives a rebuttal to the president’s State of the Union address, it is unusual for members of the president’s own party to offer an official response. It is not the first time that the Working Families Party has done so, however: Last year, Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) gave such a speech following Biden’s first joint address to Congress.
Who needs Truckers to fight Fascist Biden when we have the squad?