Truckers fight Facism.

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Even the Canadian people understand unjustified emergency acts are not legal and Trudeau needs to be held accountable.
False.  66% of Canadian believe emergency justified.  54% believe that Trudeau should have done more sooner and let the fascists get out of control.

Imagine the trauma felt by the trucker's children seeing their parents treated this way.
Exactly.  Why are fascists always such shits at parenting?   Let's be sure to note that the parents were the only ones who had a choice about whether to expose their children to the most violent protests in Ottawa since 1849.  I assume parents willing to bully soup kitchens and paramedics in front of their own children aren't surprising those children with their capacity for abuse.

this is why people need guns to protect themselves 
Well, that was the moment right there.  If you really believed that your freedom had been taken away and that it is right and proper to use your guns against governments to preserve those freedoms then last Friday was the day to die for your cause.  I think all fascists are pussies ultimately only expressing their disappointment in their station in life and their violent demands to be elevated beyond their talents or intestinal fortitude.  The most corrupt coalescing into increasingly larger bands of bullies like Congolese children's armies until they achieve sufficient firepower to reverse the tide of democracy. That's what the guns are really needed for- to demand a bigger slice of the American pie than is warranted by  their value to the economy.

Many other countries condemning Prime Minister Black face over this
Russia, China, North Korea, Trump.  Yes we already knew that all the evil dictators  were rooting for the fascists and even paying them to protest.

Trudeau: Peaceful trucker protest: Invokes Emergency Act....
FACT CHECK:  Most violent protests in Ottawa since 1849

Also Trudeau: Violent BLM riots: Takes a knee with them.
FACT CHECK: The were no BLM riots in Canada.  There were only peaceful George Floyd protests. Greyparrot assumes that because  some of the protestors were  black people there must have been violent riots without ever bothering to educate himself about the history of those protests.  BLM was not particularly prominent in the organizing of George Floyd protests in Canada but GP uses the term here as an adjective to suggest blackness  even when most of Canada's George Floyd protests were majority white demographically.   This is the level of pre-judgement we see on display even as he claims to be a worthy and responsible gun owner.  If the difference between a protester and rioter in a gunowner's mind is not based on the degree  of violence demonstrated but on the skin color of the participants, then would you trust that gunowner to know the difference between a protest and riot? between an authentic threat and authentic freedom of speech? 



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FACT CHECK:  Most violent protests in Ottawa since 1849

All the violence is coming from the government. It's so entertaining for people looking for blood like most leftists.
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"Ahhh! it hurts! My leg!"

-Some misogyny victim.
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Liberals live in la la land. Within the same breath they will condemn Putin but cheer on Trudeau for “cracking down on the crazies.”
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Grey Parrot, instead of posting random things about snuff and whatever else, why not focus on the shutting down of the GoFundMe? You'd be taken more seriously if you actually focused on the issues you just shitpost about.
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Grey Parrot, instead of posting random things about snuff and whatever else, why not focus on the shutting down of the GoFundMe? You'd be taken more seriously if you actually focused on the issues you just shitpost about.

Did you watch the video in post 180?
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"The party is concerned not with the preservation of its flesh, but with the preservation of itself. It doesn't matter who has the power, as long as the hierarchical structure is always preserved." - Orwell

People's careers are tracked. People who discover special abilities in terms of the goals of this group are gently approached and invited into inner circles. They are tracked while running errands and eventually they fall into an elite cabal under circumstances that actually do not allow them to break out of it. What is the ultimate goal of the donor class elites? If universal power is the goal, then any system that concentrates power in the hands of a few is desirable. From the point of view of governance, Communism is the ultimate form of power. This is the focus of maximum power over the economy and over the individual. They want a big government because they understand that Socialism, as well as Communism— is not a philanthropic system for redistributing wealth, but a system for concentrating and centrally managing it.

They also recognize that it is also a system for concentrating people and centrally managing them.  Critics of this provision usually argue that the rich least need government control over or ownership of the means of production. But, as we see, Socialism or Communism offers the Elites the most perfect means of concentrating and managing wealth. This is the ultimate goal of the drafters of these plans: power not only over the riches of the world, but also over the producers of these riches, people as such.

So the Elites use the government to gain control of the government, and the goal is total rule. If the government is used by elites to concentrate power, then it must gaslight people who yet want to preserve the freedom of understanding the very essence and function of government. As soon as the properties of the government have become clear, efforts can be made against the increasing power of the government over both the national economy and the lives of citizens. It is best to start such a study with two root causes, which are recognized as the source of human rights. Assuming that people really have rights, there are only two root causes: either the person himself, or someone or something external to him - the Creator. Many of the American founding fathers recognized the difference between these possibilities. Thomas Jefferson, for example, expressed his attitude and understanding as follows: "God, who gave us life, gave us freedom. Can the freedoms of the nation be guaranteed if we eliminate the belief that these freedoms are a gift from God?"

Recent events suggest the answer is no. Freedom has become a privilege granted by a monopoly of force and violence to give and take as they wish.


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I have explained to GP on tens of occasions that he is entirely mistaken on the subjects of Socialism and Communism- he simply doesn't understand that in order for the people to regulate the means of production, those people must have real power over that means of production and that only happens with free and fair elections and maximum suffrage.  If you think that Russia or China or Cuba were ever examples of Communism or Socialism for even one moment than you have flunked Socialism 101 and believed the propaganda of dictators instead of consulting a dictionary.

To quote Orwell, "In my opinion, nothing has contributed so much to the corruption of the original idea of socialism as the belief that Russia is a socialist country.... I have been convinced that the destruction of the Soviet myth was essential if we wanted a revival of the socialist movement."

If you think that Socialism  is a "system that concentrates power in the hands of a few," then you need to read Orwell.  If you have already read Orwell and don't understand, as Orwell taught, that the underlying ideals of Socialism are justice and liberty than your comprehension of Orwell is to be questioned.
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Also, GP seems to have invented his Orwell quote:

Your search - The party is concerned not with the preservation of its flesh, but with the preservation of itself ... - did not match any documents.
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Yeah yeah...people have  heard the saying "not real communism" since the Soviet revolution almost 100 years ago. 

You will have endless parades of AOC types saying most Democrats are not real communists since they follow the marching orders of the elite donor classes.
It's a systemic problem with central power. Once it is obtained, you cant affect it with Democratic means.

This is why the Canadian Truckers cant win. Why AOC and Bernie can't win, and why Trump can't win. There is no path save bloody revolution to change the current entrenched central powers inherent in both nations. If you try with democratic means, you get either the emergency powers act or you get imprisoned for life for political trespassing with no due process. Leaders never really cared about socialism. It was just a means to an end. Uncontested central power.

It is inevitable. When there is no path for Democratic change, a violent change is guaranteed.
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Your search - The party is concerned not with the preservation of its flesh, but with the preservation of itself ... - did not match any documents.
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I put together 2 different quotes paraphrased for context. Instead of seeking validation, maybe read the quote and use critical thinking rather than figure out who to take your marching orders from. You are allowed to have an individual opinion. You do not need to be lumped into groupthink to enable those with power to dominate those who dare exercise individual thought. Normally I don't give a rat's ass about citing people because it gives people an excuse to dismiss the content without bothering to read it. And there are a LOT of people on this site that do just that.

If you like Orwell so much, maybe you should examine why he has written volumes on the effects of corruption and absolute power and how it will always apply to the human condition instead of praying for "real communism" in your lifetime.
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If you are bored and want something to google, then google this.

One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

'Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others ; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were- cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?'

Socialism will always be the tool of tyranny to achieve their ends, as long as the people allow it. Even with safeguards like the Canadian Charter, all it takes is one man with a pen to invoke the war act and make that charter worth nothing more than wastepaper.
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Yeah yeah...people have  heard the saying "not real communism" since the Soviet revolution almost 100 years ago. 
You quote Orwell at least twice a week to me but you won't accept his (dictionary) definition of Communism. 

I put together 2 different quotes paraphrased for context.
That would earn you an F on any academic or scientific paper anywhere.  That can get you rightfully and seriously sued in the right context. Making up shit and attributing it to Orwell is the height of intellectual dishonesty.   In a debate such despicable  and deliberate misattribution would mean earn instant loss on conduct and sources.

If you like Orwell so much, maybe you should examine why he has written volumes on the effects of corruption and absolute power and how it will always apply to the human condition instead of praying for "real communism" in your lifetime.
I have read much of Orwell and your lack of any kind of academic or intellectual rigor well represents exactly the kind of ignorant blind true believerism that Orwell so despised and feared. Just look at the title of this forum "Truckers fight Fascism" and the doublethink represented there.  You know that the people spraypainting swastikas over the Canadian Flag and terrorising people of color in downtown Ottawa represent actual fascists as Orwell or any student of history might recognize  but you falsely project that the opposite is true.  You know that Canadian truckers aren't represented by these fascist fringe factionalists and yet you persist in the lie. War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, 2+2=5 , Trudeau is a Communist, and Greyparrot is not a silly, intellectually boneless troll.


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 You know that the people spraypainting swastikas over the Canadian Flag and terrorising people of color in downtown Ottawa represent actual fascists as Orwell or any student of history might recognize 

If they are using these symbols to portray Trudeau as a Nazi, I support them as actual anti-fascists.

It started with 2 weeks to stop the spread and ended with war powers and horse tramplings. GG fascists. GG indeed.
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One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

-Orwell

I get an A plus for this quote professor?

Oh who am I kidding. You can't appease the quote Nazis in an anonymous online forum.

But let's believe for a moment Orwell wanted "real communism" and prays to the same god all leftists pray to while never getting what they want. 100 years and they still cant figure out how to solve the problems with socialism Orwell pointed out. What good is a Canadian Charter when it can be revoked at any time for any reason? 
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Open up, this is the police.
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If you think that Russia or China or Cuba were ever examples of Communism or Socialism for even one moment than you have flunked Socialism 101
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what exactly is your argument here ?

are you trying to say that canadian truckers are a bunch of racists who are trying to get vax mandates repealed

because

vax mandates are somehow "anti-racist" ?

and the russians are secretly organizing the whole thing ?
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I can't wait for self driving trucks and robots to load and unload them. I wonder what unemployed truck drivers will think about communism then?
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I can't wait for self driving trucks and robots to load and unload them. I wonder what unemployed truck drivers will think about communism then?
Hopefully the robots will protest for freedom and win where the truckers failed.
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what exactly is your argument here ?

That GP knowingly lies when he writes "Truckers fight Fascists"  The obv truth is that "Fascists attacked Truckers"

are you trying to say that canadian truckers are a bunch of racists who are trying to get vax mandates repealed
You haven't read what I wrote.  I am saying that there is little to no connection or evidence of representation to be found between "Freedom Convoy 2022" and the Canadian Trucking industry.

Freedom Convoy 2022 is a bunch of fascists who are trying to overthrow democracy worldwide and would happily mandate weekly vaccines if they thought it would keep white men at the top of the food chain.

vax mandates are somehow "anti-racist" ?
really rough reading comprehension, there.

and the russians are secretly organizing the whole thing ?
Putin is the number one funding source for all right-wing extremism  in the West and has been for 20 years.  Sources suggest Putin just provides the cash via crypto and secures compliance via kompromat but  I assume he leaves the organizing to the extremists.   I don't think ideology is important to Putin, just anti-Western, anti-Democratic troublemaking.

My assertions were:

  • Nobody in "Freedom Convoy" leadership was ever a trucker as far I can tell.
    • I'm still looking for some reporting on how many prof truckers were in the 170 group arrested.  
  • The only thing anti-5G, Nordic Skinheads, Wexit, Anti-VAXers,  and QANON leadership have in common is that they all receive considerable support from Russia.
  • The actual trucker community is more pro-VAX and better vaccinated than the average Canadian citizen
  • The actual trucker community was economically devastated by these fascist fucktards pretending to be truckers
    • In spirt of all GPs claims about Govt. oppressing truckers, the actual trucking community stood next to Trudeau when he condemned these idiots and called upon the convoy to stop pretending to be truckers and clear the roads for real truckers.
  • Almost everything Greyparrot ever claims to be true ends up being a malicious and deliberate polar inversion of the truth.  If trolling was a punishable offense, GP would have been swinging from the rafters a decade ago, at least.

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Freedom Convoy 2022 is a bunch of fascists
what definition of "fascist" are you using ?
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trying to overthrow democracy worldwide
nope
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I'm still looking for some reporting on how many prof truckers
what the hell difference does it make if they're truckers or barbers or dentists ?
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I'm still looking for some reporting on how many prof truckers
what the hell difference does it make if they're truckers or barbers or dentists ?
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I'm shocked I would have to explain this but because the Freedom Convoy was not truckers (as you seem to concede here)  and did not represent Canadian truckers and was in fact, reviled by Canadian Truckers, the entire enterprise was lying their asses off about who they were and who they represented and why they were protesting. ..


Are you really saying what  the hell difference does it make?  Aren't you a little bit curious about who they actually were and who they actually represented and why they were protesting or even why they  needed to lie about their identities and their sponsors and their intent?
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what definition of "fascist" are you using ?
The dictionary definition:

FASCISM  is "any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and of society, and repression of criticism or opposition, or, by extension,  any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting, and/or violence against largely unarmed populations."





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Aren't you a little bit curious about who they actually were
i've been talking with real people who are at the protests
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any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy
there is no king of the protests, these people are not oligarchs
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Vaccine mandates for Covid for an entire populace are tyrannical, they can twist it this way and that. 

Under18s can't even get the fucking non-mRNA vaccines in these countries that are mandating them to get vaccinated, it's a sick joke.

They don't just blackmail the vaccine, they blackmail to inject experimental new age mRNA technology that's barely past the trial stage.
well stated
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i've been talking with real people who are at the protests
and you seem to concede that "Freedom Convoy 2022"  had few professional truckers.