Truckers fight Facism.

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Yep, I voted against Brexit.

Though I go along with the decision.


In the U.S.A for example, would it be fair if health insurance companies refused to pay out to the unvaccinated?

Tough if it's a case of moral obligation, then why isn't vaccination a moral obligation.

There seems to be two reasonable sides to the argument.

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So should people who choose not to be vaccinated, consequently be refused medical treatment  for severe Covid symptoms?

This would seem fair.

The last Conform or Die society died in a German Bunker. Now you want to resurrect that society? You can keep your facism.

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Tyranny of the minority when it comes to transmissible diseases. 
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More footage of these "dangerous people"
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I guess it’s nice to humanise convoys when it’s convenient. It’s my weakness. 
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It's not conform or die is it?

It's a case of, if you choose to not conform, be prepared to face the consequences of your own actions.


I reiterate, that I am firmly in support of personal choice in this matter.

Nothing fascist about supporting the freedom of the individual to choose.
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CHEMOTHERAPY: Shouldn't be mandated by politicians.

ANESTHESIA: Shouldn't be mandated by politicians.
You were claiming the vaccines weren’t safe and effective. I’m concluding by your obvious deflection that you agree that your argument that claimed that they weren’t was categorically incorrect.


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the vaccines weren’t safe and effective.
They still aren't. You cant safely self-inject like insulin or epinephrine, and it still doesn't stop the spread of a deadly virus, despite the fascist propaganda.

The tyrannical rule is lying to you as are others in this thread.
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They still aren't. You cant safely self-inject like insulin or epinephrine, and it still doesn't stop the spread of a deadly virus, despite the fascist propaganda.


Actual data from reality show it’s safe (as severe adverse events are incredibly rare), and effective (as it demonstrably shows a significant reduction of risk of symptomatic infection, hospitalization and death).


The argument that anything that requires a medical professional must be unsafe is beyond idiotic; and believing that only vaccines that completely eradicate a disease completely can be considered “effective” is equally stupid.  This ridiculous misrepresentation is just an example of dishonest bad faith trolling.


Making a silly point; changing the subject when it is disproven, and the repeating the stupid point again when challenged, is not indicative of good faith argument.

The tyrannical rule is lying to you as are others in this thread.
I think you’re confused about what tyranny and fascism are. You’re like a trust fund baby complaining that he is being abused because his parents won’t buy him a new Mercedes.

Things you don’t like != Tyranny.
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Making a silly point
There is nothing silly about making the point that a drug normally administered by a doctor shouldn't be prescribed by an unlicensed politician. 
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I reiterate, that I am firmly in support of personal choice in this matter.

This is the truth.
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There is nothing silly about making the point that a drug normally administered by a doctor shouldn't be prescribed by an unlicensed politician.
There is - but that would be changing the subject For the second time. You said that vaccines are neither safe nor effective - and used a silly point to defend it. Given that you’re not defending that silly claim - I can only presume that you agree that your argument was dumb, right?




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There is 
More lies from the fascist left. Unqualified politicians shouldn't be making personal health decisions normally entrusted by doctors.

You cant safely self-inject like insulin or epinephrine, and it still doesn't stop the spread of a deadly virus. The politicians lied and said it would stop the spread when it clearly does not. They are still lying about this. Vaccinated people are allowed to carry the virus to anyone at-risk with no consequences.


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It's not conform or die is it?

It's a case of, if you choose to not conform, be prepared to face the consequences of your own actions.


I reiterate, that I am firmly in support of personal choice in this matter.

Nothing fascist about supporting the freedom of the individual to choose.
Good luck without a job, not able to go to any venues, never travelling internationally and basically being a hermit.
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More lies from the fascist left. Unqualified politicians shouldn't be making personal health decisions normally entrusted by doctors.
Again - changing the subject for a third time. In reasoned discussion, you make a claim and then defend it. Making a claim, then repeatedly changing the subject and calling people names.

You cant safely self-inject like insulin or epinephrine, and it still doesn't stop the spread of a deadly virus. The politicians lied and said it would stop the spread when it clearly does not. They are still lying about this. Vaccinated people are allowed to carry the virus to anyone at-risk with no consequences.
You made a stupid statement, I disproved it. You changed the subject, I called you out, you made the stupid statement again, I repeated the disproof it. You changed the subject, I called you out: you are now making the stupid statement again. 

Actual data from reality show it’s safe (as severe adverse events are incredibly rare), and effective (as it demonstrably shows a significant reduction of risk of symptomatic infection, hospitalization and death).

The argument that anything that requires a medical professional must be unsafe is idiotic; and believing that only vaccines that completely eradicate a disease completely can be considered “effective” is equally stupid. 

So let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and call this strike one.




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Here is the actual lie from an actual tyrant about "stopping the spread."


"protecting vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers"

That has to be one of the greatest lies in modern Democracy.

It's not about health to these tyrants. It's all about power.

If it was about health, they would be talking about natural immunity rates, exercise, good eating, and not mandates.
Talk about healthy diets and exercise. Talk about building your immune system. Talk about taking vitamins.

So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies

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Here is the actual lie from an actual tyrant about "stopping the spread."


"protecting vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers"

That has to be one of the greatest lies in modern Democracy.

It's not about health to these tyrants. It's all about power.

If it was about health, they would be talking about natural immunity rates, exercise, good eating, and not mandates.
Talk about healthy diets and exercise. Talk about building your immune system. Talk about taking vitamins.

So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies
Your making outrageous and silly claims, to cover up the failure of previous outrageous and silly claims. I’m not falling for this attempt to derail reasoned debate

You made a stupid claim - I refuted that claim; and you’re now trying to not talk about the claim by changing the subject: please see my above post for why your original claim is nonsense.

This is the fourth time you changed the subject to avoid defending your claim; and I’m going to call it as strike 2
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Remember that Humans are composed of Worm Man and Intelligent Man. The truckers are Worm Man.
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Does a  Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Fusion and Plasma Physics from MIT grow in the dirt?
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You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake; You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else; We are all part of the same compost heap; We are the all singing, all dancing, crap of the world.
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Unqualified politicians shouldn't be making personal health decisions normally entrusted by doctors.

"protecting vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers"
That has to be one of the greatest lies in modern Democracy.

So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies



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Unqualified politicians shouldn't be making personal health decisions normally entrusted by doctors.

"protecting vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers"
That has to be one of the greatest lies in modern Democracy.

So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies
And you keep changing the subject - the 5th time the claim you made was that vaccines where neither safe nor effective. A claim you still won’t defend.

So given this is now strike 3. We can now continue this conversation with the presumption that you concede that vaccines are both safe and effective.


Now we can cover the rest of this nonsense.

Vaccines being required in order to do specific things is not making a personal health decision for an individual. You and your doctor are still making that choice. This makes what you said a silly straw man.




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So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies
But it’s not a lie. They’re not vaccinated. No one is forcing them. The government is not making their health decisions for them; this is just deliberate misrepresentation without any attempt to defend the nonsense assertions . This is just bad faith trolling - Strike 1.
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Canada only requires unvaccinated Canadian truck drivers to get tested for COVID-19 and to quarantine upon re-entering Canada from the U.S.
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So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies
I’m sorry that pointing out reality makes you uncomfortable, no amount of wild assertions and name calling makes it true. 

There is no enforced vaccination - no governmental mandate that individuals must be vaccinated; no overriding of your personal health decision. 

You’re just making wild accusations, and not defending them: feel free to make an argument at any time - this is your second wild dodge - thus strike 2.
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So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies.
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So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies.
So strike 3.

So far you have conceded that:
  1. Vaccines are safe.
  2. Vaccines are effective.
  3. The government is not making people health decisions for them.
Let’s see how much more we can get you to conceed.

"protecting vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers"

That has to be one of the greatest lies in modern Democracy.
It’s not really a lie though; for two reasons: firstly unvaccinated individuals at the time - and now - have put the biggest burden on health services. Hospitals resources taken up by unvaccinated individuals make it harder to get vaccinated people care if they have, say, a heart attack.

Secondly (recall you have conceded number 2), at the specific time, vaccinated individuals were much less likely to have break through infections, and infect others: meaning that being around vaccinated people only would absolutely reduce individual your risk.

Thirdly: transmission unfettered by vaccinations leads to variants. Reducing case count by removing unvaccinated individuals from locations that can widely already ; protects (or would have protected) individuals by reducing possibility of variants coming from unfettered transmission.


So in this case; there no evidence that this was actually it meaningful untrue to any degree, which renders your accusation that this is the greatest lie in modern democracy, is just patently absurd, and indicative of an troll arguing bad faith.

I await your capitulation on this point.





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So the lies continue, and the truckers will honk as long as they must to drown out the lies
But the thing you said was the biggest lie isn’t. (See above)

You’re not even defending it. Strike 1