Skeptical Theism

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Correct. We would need evidence for a God. What I'm also saying is that the problem of evil wouldn't be a good argument against a Deistic God. 
It is. Saying "well the PoE is a good argument which I cannot reply to but who knows maybe there's an answer out there which our finite minds cannot access" is not a sufficient defence. It can be used to justify anything. ""well the evolution is a good theory which I cannot reply to but who knows maybe there's an answer out there which our finite minds cannot access"
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Correct. We would need evidence for a God. What I'm also saying is that the problem of evil wouldn't be a good argument against a Deistic God.
Seems to me you’re conflating God with god.
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Evil is simply a label applied,

To not nice stuff that people do,

To each other,

Counter to the concept of niceness,

Usually relative to physical or mental anguish,

As in pain,

And suffering.

No GOD actually required.

Unless one has been appropriately conditioned of course.

Then the World's your Oyster,

So to speak.

Poor Oyster,

Eaten alive,

Swallowed into the seething,

Gastric depths,

Of digestive hell.

Pure evil.

And,

Eternal philosophy.


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@Bones
That's really not what I'm saying. 

Now could evolution be wrong? Sure, until further evidence, I accept evolution.

However, a Infinite being's justications are only truly knowable if one is omniscient, until you are, you cannot say whether a being such as a 'God' would have justications. 

Now, you could just parody what I said in paragraph 2, however you have no evidence for the omniscient being's justications unless you are omniscient. 
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Is chin scratching the way forwards?

Or barbers rash?

Philosophy is,

99% overthink,

Due to,

Too much,

Chin scratching.


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scratch your chin and think about it, the answer will come to you.
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No, I’m saying that if one has to appeal to God’s omniscience then their argument is clearly not valid.
Can you explain why, it seems you have asserted this. 
Because God’s omniscience wouldn’t need to be appealed to if the argument made sense, we would just stop there.
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Thing is.

As far as they knew.

Their GOD,

Was only omniscient,

At the time,

Of going to press.
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 Semele was a mortal woman who was simply living her life when one day Zeus took notice of her when she was sacrificing a bull at his temple. He fell in love with her and visited her many times.

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Good and evil are subjective. Without a common standard agreed upon by all interlocutors the conversation stops at "is that really evil though?".

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Skeptical theism, as a response to the problem of evil, states that we cannot see God's intentions and therefore cannot claim the evil in the world disproves God. 
The main problem with this manipulation attempt is that we do not need to see "intention" of god. That is completely irrelevant.
Whatever reason he might have, he just can reach that without allowing evil as he is omnipotent and omniscient.
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he just can reach that without allowing evil as he is omnipotent and omniscient.
how do you know it is a "he"

have you examined its chromosomes ?
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A GOD might not be bothered one way or the other.


Considering that a GOD is supposed to be an omni-bod.

It's funny how people arrogantly assume know what might or might not, or should or should not, concern it.
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At best God = 1} finite occupied space Universe, and,

at worse, concept of  God is non-sense carried over from ancient times, if not specifically patriarchal biblical non-sense.

If we want to include 2} the truly non-occupied space outside of ergo beyond our finite, occupied space Universe and,

3] Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts, then we need a differrernt set of terms to identify this set of a Cosmic Three-ness, ergo,

" U "niverse/" G" od wherein the italics and quotes signify a differrent identification methods for the Cosmic Trinary Set. Simple.


...Good and bad.......ex the Winchester rifle was good for white cavalry but bad for native indians.

...Good and evil......ex intent of human mind, that, makes a judgment call ---quantization via atomics related to nervous system---- as to what is best for self, other, humanity, biologically ecological systems that supports humanity, and ultimately the integrity of our finite, occupied space Universe.
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Monothea should be skeptical. To assume that of all the cultures in the world that have had various gods that they're one God is the only one true God makes no sense. If they were willing to acknowledge that other gods might exist but they choose to worship the one it would be different but they don't.