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@sui_generis
Your input and claim are valuable, if you can give some.
Anime / Game waifu Mafia DP2
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@airmax1227
What do you think of the current mess we are in?
We have a guilty and CC one whiteflame. The guilty can be explained by Wylted's result, which simultaneously explains warren's death. The CC is a little harder to find an answer for unless we are okay with 2 doctor abilties existing, alongside supas Jailkeep and bulletproof. Do you think we should be lynching between the CC's? How unlikely do you think mike was to put in two doctor roles? If Whiteflame is guilty what explains warrens death?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Check your PM. Does it say Breath of Life and Doctor in it or just Breath of Life?
Sorry, must've missed this. It says Breath of Life and then describes the Doctor role without saying it.
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@whiteflame
Sorry, must've missed this. It says Breath of Life and then describes the Doctor role without saying it.
Ah I hate to say it but that is actually sus. Maybe mikal worded PM's differently from each other though, but what you described is almost right according to my own PM with one major detail missing. The fact that this was so close but different in a very dinstinct might have been the nail in the coffin for me :/
very distinct way*
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@Lunatic
Luna, I can't recall a time in a previous game where I got copped guilty like this, and certainly not one where the main explanation on the table for why I am not guilty is that there was a very opportune Redirect that occurred. I've already said that I don't think that many people are going to buy what Wylted says he did. I had a hard time believing it and it's one of the few explanations that exonerates me. It was after I heard that that the first quote happened. The CC is just piling on. When you ask about a point in time where I did this before, I'm honestly stumped because I've never been in a situation like this. The sole instances I can recall where I was copped guilty, I was scum. I don't recall giving up when I was copped guilty before.
I'm also more than a little familiar with what happens when I get overly defensive in cases like this, which is that I usually become an even more obvious target for lynching. Maybe I should be fighting tooth and nail, as you say, but I can't say that that would accomplish much at this stage.
As for who else to lynch, I would have said Wylted before his explanation became the only one that could explain Pie's result. The CC from Earth leads me to believe that we should be lynching him, but I know that the evidence stacks up against me more than against him. It would have arguably been better for him to resist CCing me to avoid revealing that he was the Doc, so it wasn't a particularly pro-town move for him to reveal his role when I was already copped guilty, especially as most everyone was already prepared to VTL me. He is making himself a target for the NK for arguably little gain. The general absence of Sui from this game makes me suspect him, especially given how defensive he was about his inactivity up front in DP1, but like most cases where there's an inactive player, I can't say that it's actionable. So, personally, I'll VTL Earth.
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@Lunatic
Sorry, must've missed this. It says Breath of Life and then describes the Doctor role without saying it.Ah I hate to say it but that is actually sus. Maybe mikal worded PM's differently from each other though, but what you described is almost right according to my own PM with one major detail missing. The fact that this was so close but different in a very dinstinct might have been the nail in the coffin for me :/
Can only speak to what I see in my PM. It also says it's a Skill, but that's about it.
Nothing particularly convincing in the recent posts.
I will send in my vote this evening. I wanna hear suis and Max's thoughts before we close today out.
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@Lunatic
Ah I hate to say it but that is actually sus. Maybe mikal worded PM's differently from each other though, but what you described is almost right according to my own PM with one major detail missing. The fact that this was so close but different in a very dinstinct might have been the nail in the coffin for me :/
I assume you and I are thinking the same thing here. I considered the "maybe worded other PMS differently" as well but since you seem to have noticed the same thing I will assume your PM has it too, plus look at all the dead guy PMs.
all the dead guy PMs.
Warren doesn't count here since the "infected" role is something mikal just made up.
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@Wylted
It is possible that you are telling the truth about your role but that whiteflame is still guilty. In that scenario you didn't redirect the kill, it was aimed at warren naturally as he was a lone wold and mafia thought he was town (read his PM, lone wolf/traitor is potentially implied).
We need to know whether you are willing to VTL whiteflame. It is reasonable for you to think he is town confirmed because he was targeted for the kill (as only a townie would be) and you saved him, but please consider the above scenario as well.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am definitely willing to vote him and acknowledge both things could be simultaneously true. The CC is not a compelling reason though, considering how odd Mikal is at creating games.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am starting to think we might by some wierd fluke be at Mylo. Let's imagine if whiteflame is innocent. EARTH'S CC makes no sense. He looked like the lynch prior to the CC, so what town motivation is there for CHINGY and giving up the doctor. All of our roles have odd titles, but Earth's role is just called "doctor". I also wonder why pie knowing his information was unreliable because of my results, still afterwords was looking for any excuse to still lynch whiteflame.
I feel like the double scum team theory is a real possibility and wouldn't be surprised if one scum team has zero people remaining, while one has 3 people remaining. It would explain why earth made the CC and pie seems desperate for this lynch. I think we should test my theory of a 2 scum team scenario by figuring out if we should lynch earth or pie.
If I am right, we are at Mylo, and a lynch on whiteflame could make scum win, unless a protection role gets lucky tonight.
I think we test the 2 scum team theory by lynching who would make up a 2nd scum team. If we want to be careful here than at the very least we should no lynch and see what happens. I think the best move is lynching most likely between pie and earth, and second best is no lynching
I think we test the 2 scum team theory by lynching who would make up a 2nd scum team. If we want to be careful here than at the very least we should no lynch and see what happens. I think the best move is lynching most likely between pie and earth, and second best is no lynching
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@Wylted
If there were 2 scum would we not expect 4 deaths? (1 from lynch, 1 from scum team A, 1 from scum team B, and 1 from GP's ability)? We only got 3 deaths.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My theory is that we have 6 scum total. Two teams of 3, and that one scum team has been completely eliminated, which also might explain the NK being on scum. I just wouldn't put it past mikal to have 6 scum in a game
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It is possible that you are telling the truth about your role but that whiteflame is still guilty. In that scenario you didn't redirect the kill, it was aimed at warren naturally as he was a lone wold and mafia thought he was town (read his PM, lone wolf/traitor is potentially implied).
It depends on Whiteflame’s flip and his true character if he’s scum. If Whiteflame has some freeze character/role and I got impacted by it, it means that the effect came when I visited Whiteflame. This would mean Wylted would have to be lying.
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@Wylted
I am starting to think we might by some wierd fluke be at Mylo. Let's imagine if whiteflame is innocent. EARTH'S CC makes no sense. He looked like the lynch prior to the CC, so what town motivation is there for CHINGY and giving up the doctor. All of our roles have odd titles, but Earth's role is just called "doctor". I also wonder why pie knowing his information was unreliable because of my results, still afterwords was looking for any excuse to still lynch whiteflame.
It’s pretty pro-town to CC especially if it isn’t MYLO. At most there are 2 scum remaining, putting us at 6-2.
Also, I wasn’t making an “excuse.” I did research and analyzed a bunch of scenarios.
I feel like the double scum team theory is a real possibility and wouldn't be surprised if one scum team has zero people remaining, while one has 3 people remaining. It would explain why earth made the CC and pie seems desperate for this lynch. I think we should test my theory of a 2 scum team scenario by figuring out if we should lynch earth or pie.
There aren’t 6 scum in an 11 player game.
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@Wylted
If I am right, we are at Mylo, and a lynch on whiteflame could make scum win, unless a protection role gets lucky tonight.
If you think it’s MYLO, why aren’t you advocating for everyone to full claim immediately?
I think we test the 2 scum team theory by lynching who would make up a 2nd scum team. If we want to be careful here than at the very least we should no lynch and see what happens. I think the best move is lynching most likely between pie and earth, and second best is no lynching
Absolutely not. We lynch within the CC. No lynching makes zero sense here when we can POE.
My theory is that we have 6 scum total. Two teams of 3, and that one scum team has been completely eliminated, which also might explain the NK being on scum. I just wouldn't put it past mikal to have 6 scum in a game
In an 11 player game? That makes zero sense. It also doesn’t explain why a scum Greyparrot would listen to other people rather than kill who his scum buddies wanted to.
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@Lunatic
I'm Zero 2, and I also have a version of a protective role. this is why I've said multiple times that the "multiple scum teams" theory is likely accurate.
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@sui_generis
You need to full claim then.
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@sui_generis
It seems like most of us have some form of protective role. A 6 SCUM SCENARIO in an 11 player game, I would argue is balanced if we are dealing with 2 or even 3 scum teams. It seems perhaps if this is true, town got a bit lucky with only one dead town so far.
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@whiteflame
So "doctor" isn't present in your PM?
Sorry, must've missed this. It says Breath of Life and then describes the Doctor role without saying it.
This doesn't fit. Look at the dead. There's flavor, but Mikal clarifies what it does. Lucy, for example. So yeah, that's a lie.
Well suis claim changes things... hmm
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I assume you and I are thinking the same thing here. I considered the "maybe worded other PMS differently" as well but since you seem to have noticed the same thing I will assume your PM has it too, plus look at all the dead guy PMs.
Yep whiteflame is definitely not like the others if what he said was true.
Yeah earth hit the nail on the head.
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@Lunatic
Well suis claim changes things... hmm
I agree. However, I still believe 2 doctors aren’t possible
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@Lunatic
Ya mine says Skill - description (cop)
Okay, going to seal my vote for WF asap (not sure if I need to convince computernerd but I assume so).