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@Earth
Theme is going to be "anime/ game waifus".
Anime / Game waifu Mafia DP2
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@ILikePie5
Been a long day and I'm about to conk out, but given that Pie was doing a bit of homework looking into game characters, I figured I'd show mine as well.
The effect does suggest that this comes from a video game, most likely an RPG of some kind. When I heard about that Frozen Solid effect, I noticed the same association with Warcraft that Pie did (it's actually not just Jaina, though, and it's somewhat unclear precisely what effect it has as freezing effects are often used by mages as a way to protect themselves against attack). However, it's not just the Warcraft universe.
There's a "Frozen Solid" in Final Fantasy as well, and we have a character from that franchise (Aeris) in the game. https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Freeze_(status) It isn't associated with a specific character, but I wouldn't be surprised if some elements of our roles were pulled from the games. There's also a similar freeze condition in Pokémon, which has no waifus represented so far despite featuring some of the most famous ones in anime and video games. While Mikal definitely would have to leave off some major fandoms, I'm surprised that that one is apparently absent.
Anyway, that's all I can stay awake to write tonight. After Pie's result, I knew I would be on the chopping block and it looks like that hasn't changed substantially. Still, hope that my insights can help.
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@whiteflame
Pokemon doesn't really have waifus that would have a freeze soild power. And Pokemon has a lot of 'spicy' waifus that Mikal avoided for obvious reasons.
Why are we still talking about lynching whiteflame? whats the logic?
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@Earth
you realize votes dont count in the day phase and they are also irreversible once sent in PMs right? why are you throwing yours away so casually?
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@Lunatic
Because I forgot. I haven't sent any votes yet. Can you explain why you think WF is town?
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@Earth
Because I forgot. I haven't sent any votes yet. Can you explain why you think WF is town?
Because Wylted role explains warrens death and the guilty
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@Lunatic
Why are we still talking about lynching whiteflame? whats the logic?
Multiple reasons.
1.) He has been investigated guilty by me
2.) There’s no reason for Earth to CC here even with 2 mafia
3.) His game universe has a character with the exact same ability that causes the frozen status me/hydra has. It’s easy to claim another waifu in your universe as a scum member.
4.) His character’s main form is a Dragon, which doesn’t fit with everyone else’s character
5.) If WF flips Guilty, then Wylted must be guilty, especially if WF flips as Jaina because I could only get that effect if I visited him and DD could get it only if WF visited him since both involve a “touch.”
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@Lunatic
Mmm. Still, if WF is town, we have 2 docs.
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@Lunatic
Because Wylted role explains warrens death and the guilty
But it doesn’t explain why Earth would CC. There’s just no reason to CC as scum here.
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@Earth
Mmm. Still, if WF is town, we have 2 docs.
Your vote should 100% be on WF. There aren’t two Doctors period.
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@ILikePie5
Honestly all our universes probably have people that can freeze people. Never watched naruto, but there might be some ninja ice magic.
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@ILikePie5
1.) He has been investigated guilty by me
Which can be explained by wylteds role.
2.) There’s no reason for Earth to CC here even with 2 mafia
Discounting that there was already BP and discussion about the potential for multiple night kills. Also discounting any other reasons he may have had to have CC'ed as mafia.
3.) His game universe has a character with the exact same ability that causes the frozen status me/hydra has. It’s easy to claim another waifu in your universe as a scum member.
Starcraft / warcraft are not the same universe, also they were given a fake claim.
4.) His character’s main form is a Dragon, which doesn’t fit with everyone else’s character
A dragon with a humanoid form. Thats kind of a stretch to say it stands out.
5.) If WF flips Guilty, then Wylted must be guilty, especially if WF flips as Jaina because I could only get that effect if I visited him and DD could get it only if WF visited him since both involve a “touch.”
And if he is town all we learned is that wylted is town, which could have and should have already been assumed.
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@Earth
Mmm. Still, if WF is town, we have 2 docs.
Yep, and supas bulletproof, and his jailkeeper, whats the point? There is already enough protective roles with supa alone for me to question the existence of another doc let alone two.
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@Lunatic
One would wonder how mafia would win with all these protection roles.
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@Lunatic
Which can be explained by wylteds role.
Assuming he’s telling the truth, which we have no reason to do.
Discounting that there was already BP and discussion about the potential for multiple night kills. Also discounting any other reasons he may have had to have CC'ed as mafia.
1x activated Bulletproof, which is weak imo. Also the lynch today is between Earth and Whiteflame. I’ve explained why Whiteflame is likelier to be scum.
Starcraft / warcraft are not the same universe, also they were given a fake claim.
This ignores all of my post about the frozen to the touch. I know they’re different universes. But there’s only one where all the stars line up. Warcraft (WF’s world) has this Frozen Touch ability. Coincidence?
A dragon with a humanoid form. Thats kind of a stretch to say it stands out.
None of the other characters to my knowledge can switch forms like that.
And if he is town all we learned is that wylted is town, which could have and should have already been assumed.
I disagree. Wylted should not be assumed as town by any means. His affiliation will only be clear after lynching Whiteflame.
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@ILikePie5
None of the other characters to my knowledge can switch forms like that.
I get what you meant, but there are a lot of dragon waifus in Fire Emblem that can shift between a dragon and a human form, and we might be dealing with a mod given character fake claim.
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@Lunatic
It’s either a Wylted + Whiteflame team or an Earth + Disc team. Either way we win I think
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@Lunatic
Having a doctor and a bulletproof is different than having a doctor and a doctor.
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@whiteflame
please respond to post 121.
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@ILikePie5
Which can be explained by wylteds role.Assuming he’s telling the truth, which we have no reason to do.
"No reason to do" ??
You mean no reason to believe he is? Yeah we do. It explains warrens death. The other plausble explanations are only theories, we actually have a player that is confirming how this went down though, and if we mislynch and act surprised if he flips town I feel like we don't accomplish much.
Discounting that there was already BP and discussion about the potential for multiple night kills. Also discounting any other reasons he may have had to have CC'ed as mafia.1x activated Bulletproof, which is weak imo. Also the lynch today is between Earth and Whiteflame. I’ve explained why Whiteflame is likelier to be scum.
Bulletproof isn't weak, and he also had a jailkeeper keep in mind. You could make an argument that even a doctor on top of those is OP but then we don't know the balance of the game and we've been down this road before and have been wrong.
Starcraft / warcraft are not the same universe, also they were given a fake claim.This ignores all of my post about the frozen to the touch. I know they’re different universes. But there’s only one where all the stars line up. Warcraft (WF’s world) has this Frozen Touch ability. Coincidence?
Could be, but as WF also pointed out there are multiple games that have freeze mechanics. I am not against believing that he is scum, but we still don't know why warren died and I think we are jumping the gun here by not exploring different options. The more time I spend having to debate with you why this lynch isn't guaranteed, the more you pull away from my time to being able to do that as well so let's no go down this road. I am not 100% opposed to lynching whiteflame, but I want some behavioral analysis to go with it if that is what we do. For example, one thing that might encourage me to believe whiteflame is scum is how eager he is to give up here. He has said multiple times that he thinks he is the lynch and seems indifferent about it. I could take that as him giving up because he feels he is already screwed based on the CC.
A dragon with a humanoid form. Thats kind of a stretch to say it stands out.None of the other characters to my knowledge can switch forms like that.
Horrible argument, these are completely different characters from completely different universes, they all have one trait you could argue another doesn't have. A more convincing argument would be to find similarities with a known mafias flipped character like warrens. We know there is a theme split, do you have an idea what that split is? My character is kind of a psycho, does that mean all characters who arent psycho aren't town? See the problem with that argument lol?
And if he is town all we learned is that wylted is town, which could have and should have already been assumed.I disagree. Wylted should not be assumed as town by any means. His affiliation will only be clear after lynching Whiteflame.
No one's affiliation is clear. That is backwards thinking. You not taking his results for granted is the same as us not taking your cop results for granted because "we should not assume you are town by any means". If whiteflame is lynched innocent, its going to be a very hollow lynch.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Having a doctor and a bulletproof is different than having a doctor and a doctor.
What about Jailkeeper? Supa had one of those too. And a roleblocker. Technically 3 protective roles.
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@Lunatic
Having a doctor, a jailkeeper, and a bulletproof is very different than having a doctor and a doctor.
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@Lunatic
If the majority of players decide they want to vote off WF this DP would you do vote WF in your PM?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If the majority of players decide they want to vote off WF this DP would you do vote WF in your PM?
Yes, I am not actually entirely opposed to lynching whiteflame either. All I am trying to do is open discussion up and weigh all our options. I planned on trying out some theme analysis tonight at work, but it's been busier than usual. It's starting to calm down though.
As I said to pie I can see reason to lynch Whiteflame, specifically in that he seems to be accepting his fate a little too easy if he actually is a town doctor. If he does flip innocent I will probably chastise him for this behavior in the endgame, but I don't currently like lynching someone when there are multiple claimed results that could explain what happened, and 0 other claimed results for why a mafioso is dead. If whiteflame is town here I feel like we learned very little from his death that we hypothetically didn't already know. That's my only complaint with it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Having a doctor, a jailkeeper, and a bulletproof is very different than having a doctor and a doctor.
It's a mikal game and he can be a bit crazy as a mod sometimes. But would you say it's also unlikely for mafia to havea roleblocker since supa had a role blocker? Who arbitrarily decides when one of the same roles is sketchy and other times when it isn't sketchy? It's something to take note of too. But we still don't have another explanation for warrens death do we?
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@whiteflame
" I’m sure your result will lead to my lynch regardless of what I say."
"After Pie's result, I knew I would be on the chopping block and it looks like that hasn't changed substantially."
I am trying to mitigate as much harm as possible here, but if you are lynched I want to say that I explored every possibility with you in terms of finding you innocent. Do you personally find statements like the above seemingly "giving" up like I do? If you are the town doctor don't you think you should be fighting tooth and nail here for your life? I get that you were guiltied but Wylted's action seems to explain this. Also the CC argument has some merit to it, but you seemingly giving up at every turn kind of makes it seem like you saw that as your death sentence and kind of accepted it. The first qoute even happened before that.
Can you point to a time where you as town, gave up pretty easily when you were being discussed as a lynch target?
It seemed earlier neither of us could come up with a reason why warren is dead, so the case for you being town kind of is impacted by that along with the fact that you seemingly have suspicion of wylted.
What do you think is the best course of action? I am asking you as if you are a fellow townie. Maybe if you can provide another lead, we can deter this conversation from your lynch. If you succumb to it, there won't be much I can do and if anything it will only make you look worse to me.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Hi guys. Looks like we have a counter claim on whiteflame as well as a guilty result. I am guessing from the OP and events last day phase there was likely two scum teams, which was probably why whiteflame was super okay lynching Greyparrot. Maybe 2 v 2 v 7?Reading through the DP and making points as I go so sorry if this has been addressed, but read this from warrens PM:You win with the mafia. If your partners die, you will assume the role of night killing.Based on this I think there is just one scum team and warren had a kind of 'traitor' role (i.e. scum but not in the PM).
I am not really convinced there is two scum teams, it was an opening day phase theory but I kind of shrugged that one off.
Graveyard
Greyparrot- Lucy (Kaede)- (Elfen Lied)- 1x hunter- Mafia?
Supadudz- Lucy Heartfilia- (Fairy Tail)- JOAT (Roleblock, Jailkeep, Hider, BP) -Town
Warren- Sarah Kerrigan- (Starcraft)- Vote hider/ Silencer- Mafia
Living Players
Full Claims
Pie- Caitlyn Kirraman- (League of Legends)- Cop (Investigated whiteflame guilty np1) (frozen
solid)
Whiteflame- Alexstrasza - (Warcraft) - Doctor (protected pie np1)
Earth- Sakura Haruno- (Naruto) - Doctor (protected wylted np1)
Wylted- Rias Gremory- (Highschool DxD) JOAT (passive that tells people he’s innocent when visited if activated, 1 way bus-driver, and ability to give someone a random ability)
Character Claims
Lunatic - Yuno Gasai- (Future Diary)- has information that suggests max is likely town
Dd/computer- Aerith Gainsborough- (Frozen Solid)
Max- Asuna Yuuki
Unclaimed
Sui
My two town reads are as follows:
Airmax- based on something that happened last night. Not confirmation, but definitely looks good.
DD/ComputerNerd- Based partially on the claim and the fact that Computernerd basically copy pasted his description more or less giving away the role. Also DD wasn't seemingly present for this, it appears more of a noob town slip. And partially off of DD confusing me with earth in post 118, I expect mafia to be more hyperaware of what's going on.
The remaining scum are between Wylted, pie, whiteflame, earth and sui.
There is a dynamic here where wylted and white flame are scum, and a dynamic and where pie and earth are scum, though the latter makes less sense to me, I have to be at least open to the possibility. More likely, the combo is something different entirely. Sui could play a part in this too, but he isn't active enough to help provide the answers.
I want to put my focus on him for now and worry about the rest when we are closer to day phase end.