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Whether** not where 
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Sending a PM right now. Will let you know when he gets back to me, if I am still awake
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the first two notes I made from DP1 are that your post #22 was either scummy or foolish, and that #33 wylted's post scumreading you made me townread him

currently mildly tr luna but because there could be scum scumreading other scumteams, the lunatic townread isn't as strong as it would otherwise be pending further reflection and DP1 collation of notes

I think two scum teams is the case, I'm sheeping wylted for the next 24 hours, I don't see a reason to lynch whiteflame yet.

wylted your town confirm ability is 1x, so if multiple people visit you tonight only one should get the confirmation right? and mod says town actions resolve first so I guess it's fine in that you don't have to worry about scum trying to "steal" the confirmation somehow 
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I see what I did there. Yeah I guess me replacing words did not give the full meaning. It should say


Castling -(1x) Targets a given player to be assigned as your Rook and select another player. Any actions toward that other player will target the Rook instead.

I head to read what I wrote down to see why you were confused and see I used the word "of" instead of toward. 
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I asked mikal yesterday. Every single person who targets me tonight will get a town confirm message. I think everyone should do it. If only one does it and scum kills them, than it's a waste of an ability. 
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1x means I can choose the night to use the ability
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Plus I worry if 2 visit and one is killed and the other is scum, the ability is wasted also. Ideally I get about 3 visits. 
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I see what I did there. Yeah I guess me replacing words did not give the full meaning. It should say


Castling -(1x) Targets a given player to be assigned as your Rook and select another player. Any actions toward that other player will target the Rook instead.

I head to read what I wrote down to see why you were confused and see I used the word "of" instead of toward. 
Ok this makes more sense. Can you confirm that you chose Warren to be the Rook.

Also can you confirm the NK is an “action” that can be redirected with the Castling?
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It's called Medical ninjutsu in mine.

Unvote. 

I still kinda want a WF lunch, but I suppose 2 doctors in a game of 2 potential nightkills is possible.
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Reading DP now, will post my thoughts after or tomorrow evening
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Anything to contribute Mr. President?
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It would be helpful to share any results if you have them. Easier to solve the puzzle hopefully 
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Anything to contribute Mr. President?
Just got home, reading the DP now... I hope to have something worth contributing in the next 15 minutes
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Warren 

Sarah Kerrigan - Incredibily gifted and incredibly strong you were once a member of the renowned confederate ghosts and worked your way up in the ranks to become a main leader in the sons of korhal. Eventually this would not last and you were captured and infected by the zerg swarm and evolved into the zerg queen and named yourself the queen of blades. Nothing would stop you and your lust for power would ultimately allow you to ascend to a more powerful species, a xel'naga. Nothing would rival your power again

Skill - Infected - If you are killed, votes the next dayphase will have to be submitted to the mod via dm, and once submitted you cannot change the vote for the rest of the dayphase. Votes will not be displayed in the main thread nor will a final vote count be posted in the dayphase. The dayphase will simply end with someone's lynch once the majority is reached via dm

Skill - Silence of Ascension - (1x) Target one player at night, that player cannot type the next dayphase. He can only respond with gifs, videos, and such.  You win with the mafia. If your partners die, you will assume the role of night killing.
Warren’s flip implies that there’s only one mafia faction with likely 3 total scum.

If Wylted is telling the truth then Whiteflame would have to be town because he was targeted with the NK last night. That’s the only plausible explanation in this scenario unless there’s another explanation for Mafia dying last night
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To me, Warren’s role reads as a Lone Wolf Mafia, which would fit the balance pretty well.
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Just gona do a train of through kinda thing as I read through the DP

I'm a bit surprised that GP picked Supa for his kill target... if I recall correctly there was an FOS on him, especially for his delay on voting for GP... mighta been easy for scum to get a mislynch there, but perhaps I'm misremembering this.

Warren kill is weird... and I hope everyone reads his abilities.... I'm not sure what to think about this but I'll get back to that... Is it possible Mafia team is all dead and we are now against a 3rd party? I know this would be an unusual mechanic (since the game should end), but it's the only explanation I can think of at the moment, unless there is a third scum... but then there is one mafia left, and at least one 3rd party, I think this is a fair bet in any case... but it does beg the question of who was the mafia NK then...

Pie is cop and got guilty on WF... interesting... behavior-wise I read WF as town, and he did have good analysis of GP who flipped Mafia... Assuming Pie's result is accurate (and not a mechanic - like Miller) then WF is probably 3rd party and not final Mafia... DD offered good analysis of why Pie probably isn't pulling a scum gambit here, and I'm inclined to agree.

WF claims Doctor... hmmm, I'm still reading him town on behavior but this is a tough call... I'm leaning towards believing both Pie and WF right now... I'd rather think it's a framer or mechanic thing, but I don't know

Holy cheese a CC on Doctor by Earth, now I don't know what to believe... I had no read on Earth whatsoever in last DP, and still don't

So Luna has some info indicating I'm town, nice... I'm curious what that might be, but probably not worth pushing that right now... and I agree with Luna that this could be 2v2v7... perhaps two entirely separate mafia teams, rather then 2 mafia and 2 3rd party

Geez so Wylted did some stuff... this makes me doubt the guilty on WF more, and might explain why warren would be the NK... not quite sure how this all adds up yet, but it certainly throws a wrench into things

Pie makes a good point about Wylted's role essentially being a redirector... and that WF could still be scum... but the whole thing still concerns me

Still reading WF as towny based on post #53... not sure why really, but it just doesn't come off as scummy... not saying he's not scum, and we'll have to analyze all the result we have, but I'm definitely not sold on anything at the moment

so that's my random thoughts reading the DP, I'll do what I can to make them more coherent in a bit








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I have a really crazy theory. Don’t know how much truth is in there though. I’ll take some time to review it and post it
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initial reads with minimal thought that I'll expand on later

Lunatic - Leaning town. If he was scum I doubt he'd say that he has info that would confirm a townie (i.e me)

Dd/computer - null

Earth - null

Wylted - Null at the moment. though this is complicated. I could see a scum gambit to save WF justifying a complex redirector gambit explanation... but idk, I need to think more about this

Pie - leaning town. I don't see any reason scum would pull some fake cop gambit to fake guilty results on someone at this point. Unless he has some crazy role that could throw a wrench into everything and make us forget the Inno outcome of his gambit, this just isn't a worthwhile move for scum.

Whiteflame  - Based on behavior, town. In fact based on everything town, aside from the guilty result. The problem here is game mechanics, roles, and Wylted night actions, all throw a huge wrench into this entire thing, making the guilty result high suspect.

Sui - null

Max - this guy is shady as hell


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Ya but it doesn’t say Rook’s actions will target the other player. For it to be a Bud Driver the opposite has to be true. With the way it’s written, it only works one way.
Okay so it's a one way bus driver. I don't think that changes the analysis though.
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Warren’s flip implies that there’s only one mafia faction with likely 3 total scum.
You think mafia might have a tailor?
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Okay so it's a one way bus driver. I don't think that changes the analysis though.
Assuming Wylted is telling the truth, my action got redirected towards Warren giving me the guilty. At the same time, the NK on Whiteflame got redirected towards Warren.

As I mentioned before, I strongly believe that Warren was a Lone Wolf Mafia member just based on the way his PM mentioned transfer of killing duties and partners. With a Lone Wolf, Warren would know who his buddies are, but his buddies wouldn’t know who the Lone Wolf was. Therefore it’s conceivable that Mafia just shot Warren without knowing that he was the Lone Wolf.

I strongly believe that either Whiteflame or Earth are scum. The lynch should be between those two individuals today. Which gives us more information though in case the game is not over is the question.


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You think mafia might have a tailor?
My gut is telling me Grey was telling the truth that he was town, but he’d flip as a scum member. If he was scum why would he listen to us and kill Supa? Why not Disc or Max or Wylted who are very experienced (I took myself out cause I was FoS).

I am still analyzing a case where Wylted and Whiteflame are the two remaining scum and Grey was town, but what’s bothering me is Wylted saying come visit me tonight. Transformation seems like a great skill for a Lawyer. Or this is some Bomb technique or something — where he’s the Bomb for the night and everyone that visits him dies.
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I thinking your looking too for into the lone wolf theory. The other possibility is that none of the mafia are in a pm together or there was a tailor. Or maybe he was just the one who had the final say with the night kill which is why it was worded that way.

Also I agree Grey's motives seemed sincere especially with him killing supa at the end who was being Sussed by the group.
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Also, Whiteflame has a history of these thought out processes if you remember your game where he and Supa were scum. 

Or I’m just overthinking and Earth is scum.

Assuming it’s 6-2 rn, a mislynch is 4-2. If Wylted is some sort of PGO then it could be game over if enough people visit him. That’s the only strategy I see right now
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I thinking your looking too for into the lone wolf theory. The other possibility is that none of the mafia are in a pm together or there was a tailor.
Mikal gave a Fake Character so it’s possible that at least 2 mafia were in a PM together. Otherwise it seems insanely Town sided. As for the Tailor, I think the role is bastard itself. If Warren is really town and Grey is also town, today is MYLO with 5-3.

Or maybe he was just the one who had the final say with the night kill which is why it was worded that way.
I disagree. There’s no reason for Mikal to write that if they were all in a PM together. 
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Anyways going to bed
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What are the names of your “skills.”
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I'm not 100% sure on a tailor just something to think about.

It's not out of the question that the mafia is whiteflame and wytled, wylted outting this result to save whiteflames butt since your guilty had him dead to rights in combo with earth's doctor claim. If they chose the character claim they probably thought doc was safe since supa flipped BP.
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I disagree. There’s no reason for Mikal to write that if they were all in a PM together. 
Nah I've seen plenty of mods give the decision of night kill to one player though usually its a godfather 
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Idk but wylted being town makes the most sense for what happened last night unless there is a tailor.