If I immunise you via mRNA altering your cells, I did not vaccinate you.

Author: RationalMadman

Posts

Total: 42
Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
As for the science, I have wanted to understand something specific. What exactly tricks the body's cell into thinking it is infected with a virus and why is this in any way better than genuine vaccination against a harmless non-replicating version of Covid?
There is no need to insert a whole virus or large chunks of it for the immune receptors to recognize an antigen. With the latest vaccines only the spike protein is injected to create immunity. 

mRNA can't affect DNA in the nucleus, and it decomposes naturally. It orders your cellular machinery to produce the spike protein, which then gets displayed on special surface molecules. Immune cells recognize the antigen and trigger.

This false alarm makes your immune system aware there is a real threath. When the actual virus comes your defences are ready in the form of memory cells and lingering antibodies. 



Essentially, mRNA shows your body the virus's ID.

This video explains how the vaccines was made and developed.


Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman

It's called antigens, special pathogen proteins that the immune cells T and B can recognize through surface receptors.


This is basic immunology.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Benjamin
Antigens produced without the pathogens inserted into the body at all is rather peculiar, wouldn't you say?
Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
No stranger than wheels detached from cars.
Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
Does the increasing precision of medical science sound peculiar? Why? Smartphones just appeared and you accept their novelty. mRNA vaccines is just another technology.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Benjamin
It's amazing to me that you have the time and energy to post this but no time and energy to PM me to discuss topics to debate in the tournament finals.
Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
What you are suggesting is regression to older, more dangerous technology that is slower to boot up and test. Traditional vaccines actually made people sick, removing the virus and only insert antigens is a victory.
Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
Well we seem to have found a point of disagreement.
Benjamin
Benjamin's avatar
Debates: 98
Posts: 827
4
7
10
Benjamin's avatar
Benjamin
4
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
The spike protein is the antigen of Sars-Covid-19. Your body ignores the entirety of the virus, it only recognizes the spike protein. Think of the antigen as an ID. Antigens allows doctors to train your immune response without putting you at risk, by only injecting harmless ID cards rather than the virus itself.
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,920
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@RationalMadman
How many endless boosters will be needed?
Ratman, Covid is not the flu.  Flu has a  peak season and that is Feb. Covid does not appear to have a peak season.

My wife just got her 4th one ---for the immuno-comprimised----.



RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@ebuc
Well whatever.

Personally I didn't get my booster, don't need it for the full vaccination pass in my country.

I may get it later, if it's important and matters.

I have never before heard of a vaccine that needs a third booster in less than a year. I don't only compare it to the flu.
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,920
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@RationalMadman
Influenza
......corona
.........other virues

All march onward to  differrent timming tunes of infection

..." The 26 virus families implicated in human disease5 are listed in Table 201.2 . "...

Trinary set of: Helical, envelope and icosahedral.