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@Vader
there's literally no real difference, it's just wording you fixed.
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@RationalMadman
I can think of 2 people you had it with that you since have been peaceful with.One is me.
I can not recall ever having an RO with you. I think the only person I've had an RO with was TRN and my thoughts about him should not be discussed publicly
Maybe I did, but I was 15 and had very little understanding about the world and had a different attitude about life
there's literally no real difference, it's just wording you fixed.
1. The length and duration of RO's were fixed. You can't just be banned 7 days for just commenting on a thread written by the same person. You have to actively engage in that person
2. It gave specifics to how each RO was performed
3. It made sure RO's were deserved
Personally I think we should do-away with RO's. If you can't handle the pressure of a debate forum, then leave
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@RationalMadman
Our relationship formed out of mutual respect and maturity. RO's didn't have anything to do with it
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@Vader
Personally I think we should do-away with RO's. If you can't handle the pressure of a debate forum, then leave
It is not the pressure of a debate forum, it is the distress caused by severe hostility from (and towards) another user.
That's the real way to attract people to join the website, make it appear healthy to join in.
Maybe that is the way other websites work. Banning people you disagree with, so you can bring a hive mind to the site, won't work on a debate site. The site is currently dead other than the campaigns and it is because of policies like David's that created a hivemind like atmosphere.
Maybe that is the way other websites work. Banning people you disagree with, so you can bring a hive mind to the site, won't work on a debate site. The site is currently dead other than the campaigns and it is because of policies like David's that created a hivemind like atmosphere.
Not that I disagree with, that over 80% of people are repulsed by.
Severe racism isn't something they need to see discussed but again, that isn't my platform that's what Pie and you kept pushing it to become.
I am not here to censor opinions but there are some extreme opinions that most who come across the website will read and be repulsed by. The least I can do is, if the rules allow that, censor the other toxic abuse of members to make it pleasant both for them and other onlookers or potential newcomers.
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@Vader
@3RU7AL
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Athias
@MarkWebberFan
Hello there open third-party supporters or in Supa's case swing-vote,
You currently see a 3-way election and Athias is actually probably inclined to vote against me if anything. Nonetheless, I wish to make it clearer why I believe I'd be a better site president than 3RU7AL. This will focus on me, not him/her/them (will use them/they).
- Social
While Wylted has been pushing a narrative that I will struggle to persuade the mods or interact socially, the reality is that I am a member who has been in constant contact with the mods on-site (less so off-site but still absolutely can do that via Discord) from the site's origin. Wylted doesn't have an upper hand there and when you compare that to 3RU7AL, it's not close.
From what I can tell, 3RU7AL uses the website for as little interaction as it needed to exchange the ideas they want to exchange, this ethos is absolutely fine for a member but not for a leading role on the website. I have actually got sway with the mods and my opponent has been banned more recently than me whereas other than that crazy ban September 2020 for me, I don't really believe that my hold on the mods has gone down, instead it's increased over time as I've created rapport with them all to a degree, including assistant mod Ragnar. I don't always agree with or get along with MisterChris but I'd like to believe that he and I can talk at any time if it really comes down to site matters. Supadudz and myself are not at odds anymore whatsoever and while whiteflame is close with Wylted, he also transitioned in exactly as Wylted got banned whereas under whiteflame I myself have suffered 0 mod sanctions.
Here are whiteflame's words on the matter of Wylted vs my influence on himself and Wylted's somewhat delusional response to it:
RM is probably one of the few other people on the site that has been in personal contact with me for a rather long period. He has exclusively done it through the site, but we've had similar discussions. I wouldn't set you two apart so far in that regard. I've known you longer, but that doesn't give you greater influence over me. If you want to claim that direct communication over a prolonged period = a better position to influence me, that's up to you, but you both have that.- WFI appreciate how you are navigating this situation. I've been in leadership positions as well, and have had to use similar diplomatic language.-Wylted
If he reads it as that, it makes you wonder what else he's promising about himself that's exaggerated as well.
As for what Whiteflame said, he has said nothing of the sort about 3RU7AL, I doubt he would. If it comes to who can actually sway the mods, 3RU7AL just doesn't have that kind of interaction and hold on them that you can justify relying on them as an advocate.
- Activity-wise
I am one of the single most active members of the website.
Wylted has significant lapses in activities way beyond ban-times and 3RU7AL is not all that active even when 'active'. One of the main threads that 3RU7AL instigated and keeps alive is just URLs. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5509-wtf-just-happened
This is not an exaggeration, 3RU7AL either posts URLs, a few words of capitalised and emboldened text or some kind of argumentation. There is barely any activity from 3RU7AL showing they understand even the debate side of the website (where this user only interacts in a custom-made environment of cross-point allocation instead of standard voting). This is just not acceptable to be the resume of a site President.
I will be active and have proven to understand and regularly interact with the Debates side, general forums side and the 'unique culture' of the Religion Forums side as well. I have also been active in the Forum Games section, though Wylted has also got expertise there (forum games).
- Filthy tactics
If it matters to you the tactics that one used to win the election, I ask you this.
To avoid needing to repeat myself by a new thing I type, I'll paste a quote here:
Throughout my campaign, I have had to deal with a serious of dishonest, outright filthy tactics from Wylted. It began with him posing as a severely outspoken supporter of me: is Rational Madman a dick? Should a dick be president. following a chat with me about me worrying about him having Covid, after he spoke of coughing up blood due to it. I didn't ask him to do it at all, he did it of his own volition only to immediately enter my campaign thread with such an abusive ultimatum and other cunning ploys, behind a kind and concerned facade, to bait me into admitting things he felt he could use against me or saying something he felt he could quote out of context and demonise me.There has been no shortage of abusive tactics from his side and you even helped me out by actively providing a solution to his promised VP actively harbouring data he'd very likely leak to Wylted and use to further their cause.I have had to deal with such severely deceptive and emotionally draining tactics from his side that the majority of my campaign has been forced to become anti-Wylted though I very clearly am less so that than pro-what-I-stand-for. On the other hand, it is curious that his entire campaign is about him vs me, it is not clear a single thing he stands for other than bribing voters with cryptocurrency the he'll not release unless he wins.
A further tactic was to pretend to avidly support me on researching and pushing forth a mod-involved regime witht the Religion Forum users. He justifies the first with sarcasm and the later ones with being pro-me-defending but not me being president.
Wylted's plan backfired and the Religion forums are now my main voting base most likely, so it's not even clever tactics, just dirty.
Do you want a president like that? Of course you don't, that's why you want 3RU7AL as you see them as honest. The problem is that I am not dropping out and it's not an ego thing, if I really thought 3RU7AL was as good as I am in other departments, I'd drop out and endorse, genuinely. I do not want a Wylted victory at all but I also believe that I am better suited to the role than 3RU7AL is.
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@David
@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@MisterChris
Hello moderators, assistant mods and ex-mod Chris (still got the crown though, so not certain).
Please understand that if you think I am going to be a thorn in your side, as this is the narrative Wylted has set out, our working relationship will not quite be as you think.
While I am completely open to disagree with you, challenge you and hold my ground, I am also not going to unnecessarily make drama short of you directly ignoring me completely and not making a proper case.
I am here to advocate for users to you, not advocate for users purely against you. There is a difference and I know my role, this election has forced a paradigm where Wylted gets to seem easier for you guys to interact with but please, for a moment, think back to me and back to Wylted.
I have the fortune here of running against Wylted and not Pie, meaning there is more for me to talk about. Can you guys not recall many times when he would directly go against what you ask just to spite you? I am not saying I don't have a temper and not saying I react passively when completely slighted/betrayed but the point is that if we take from this website's start to now, Wylted has shown to never really appreciate rules not even theoretically.
Look at the first Hall of Fame election (I'm sure you guys remember so I don't need to link to it all), Wylted tried to use every tactic he felt worked as loophole to the rules in order to make a cheating campaign to push for Supadudz to get into the HoF.
The saddest part is that this ended up smearing Supadudz so badly that he lost out that first time almost directly due to the means Wylted used.
You need to understand that my opposition to Wylted isn't just 'wants more moderation vs will turn a blind eye'. The dynamic is a lot more than that. You want someone to represent this site for the next 12 months right? I presume it's an annual role. Wylted is either going to go inactive or get an itch to spam troll threads again at some point, he will not respect you or care about how it looks when he does, I will.
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@EtrnlVw
@Polytheist-Witch
@Outplayz
@zedvictor4
@Lunar108
Thank you for your support, it means a lot and please be sure to post any final questions here.
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@oromagi
@FLRW
Thank you for your support, it means a lot and please be sure to post any final questions here.
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@thett3
@Lemming
@Reece101
@Benjamin
@badger
As active members of whom I am not certain which way you'll vote, I encourage you to read the past few posts of this thread and, if you will, all of it.
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@ludofl3x
@n8nrgmi
@Fruit_Inspector
@Double_R
@cristo71
As active members of whom I am not certain which way you'll vote, I encourage you to read the past few posts of this thread and, if you will, all of it.
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@SkepticalOne
@GnosticChristianBishop
@Dr.Franklin
@TheUnderdog
@dfss9788
As active members of whom I am not certain which way you'll vote, I encourage you to read the past few posts of this thread and, if you will, all of it.
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@PGA2.0
@Intelligence_06
@gugigor
@ComputerNerd
@DeprecatoryLogistician
As active members of whom I am not certain which way you'll vote, I encourage you to read the past few posts of this thread and, if you will, all of it.
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@Wylted
I have. I was team captain of a pool team in the APA that I led to go deep in a national tournament in Vegas.
APA/national tournament as well. What part of the country do you reside? (Wondering if there is a chance we've met irl)
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@RationalMadman
Hello moderators...
I should mention that I am not following any campaign closely. I'm aware that RationalMadman, Wylted, and 3bu7al are running.
I know this is counter-intuitive as I am part of site leadership; but I am attempting to minimize my involvement with the election, so as to not influence the outcome. Other mods may feel different about that, as we are not homogeneous.
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@RationalMadman
You currently see a 3-way election and Athias is actually probably inclined to vote against me if anything. Nonetheless, I wish to make it clearer why I believe I'd be a better site president than 3RU7AL. This will focus on me, not him/her/them (will use them/they).
I do not intend to vote against you. I intend to vote for 3RU7AL. I think the extent of the experience you tout spans no further than the fact that you want the presidency. And your "hold on the mods"? If you in fact have a "hold" on the mods, then your presidency would do little to address the issues which inspired this office's inception.
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@RationalMadman
I'd like to bounce off what Ragnar said. I do not want my vote to manipulate the way people vote and I do not plan on voting until later in the day when elections come out.
Hence I have been very adamant about keeping my vote discrete.
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@SkepticalOne
APA/national tournament as well. What part of the country do you reside? (Wondering if there is a chance we've met irl
When I did that it was in Wilmington Delaware. I have moved to Florida and when my schedule settles down, plan to do it again but not as a captain.
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@Barney
I know this is counter-intuitive as I am part of site leadership; but I am attempting to minimize my involvement with the election, so as to not influence the outcome. Other mods may feel different about that, as we are not homogeneous.
I hope that you vote.
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@Tradesecret
@ludofl3x
As an active member that hasn't expressed support for a candidate, I am notifying you so that you take a read of this thread and consider voting me.
Please use your right to vote in this election.
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@RationalMadman
@Wylted
sorry rationalmadman , I can't bring myself into not criticizing religion , and if religion can't handle criticism then maybe they shouldn't get out from their small worship place and start preaching - at least until their faith is strong enough to bear the criticism -but it wouldn't have been called faith if it wasn't trusting something without any evidence .
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if you ask me ,who the devil opposing god is , I would answer organized religion ,
they make assumptions about god , they talk about the creation of the world , they claim to know the answer to everything , their holy books are tiny and very small .
a doctor would need to study hundreds of books and can barely scratch the tip of the knowledge they need to know about the human body
an astrophysicist would spend a lifetime studying the universe and they wouldn't know 1 of 1000000000 about it
and yet their holy books claim to know everything ? with what vague verses that can be interpreted to support anything ?
imagine a scientist discovering something new and then they decide to write about it like god and write about it vaguely , their research will be thrown away , no one will accept it , everyone will think that they are fraud , it quite funny how our thoughts change when the target change from a person to a god ?
what better way to worship god then :
1. studying the world since it's literary god's creation
2.striving to be a good person (kindness)
you can have both without joining a religion
as a matter of facts religions are just factions used to make people look down on each other and feel self-righteous for doing something bad
let me give you an example :
-oh yea we killed those people , it's totally ok since they are ,,,,,,, apostates /blasphemers/heretics
-look at those people I can't believe that they are worshiping ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, are they idiots , if they had brains they wouldn't have worshiped ,,,,,,,,,,,
you can fill it with whatever god you don't believe in ,
it's funny how each religion can see what wrong with the other religions but can't see what's wrong with their own religion
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if their religion can't handle criticism they are not ready to face the world ,
in order to keep my right to criticize religion-as I always did- I support Wylted ,
and in order not to be shackled by islamophobia or Christianophobia or IDK maybe anti Semitism for attacking religion
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let me finish this with this last question for you to wonder about ,
I have yet to learn how does doing weird rituals benefits god ?
some copy the benefits of meditation and claim praying to god help since it's a form of meditation but then just meditate no need to involve god
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@Lunar108
You can attack religion, however you should not go after and harass members.
There is a distinct difference.
The issue with the religion forums isn't the divide between theists and atheists, that would always be there. The issue is the total lack of respect for boundaries. If someone wants to be left alone and another user keeps harassing them, this is inevitably going to either result in that member being driven away or reacting hostile.
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@Lunar108
I am curious what you think of these threads:
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@RationalMadman
I take back my last statement about supporting Wylted , I totally cast my vote to RationalMadman and totally and wholeheartedly support him
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@Lunar108
Praise the Lord !
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@Lunar108
Those were troll threads. The religious forum would seem to exist without atheists
Everything you say is always 'but it was sarcasm and trolling' later on if it doesn't suit your agenda.
Every single campaign promise you made is something you'd go back on if it suited you.
RM, can you unblock me? I need to speak to you via DM
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@3RU7AL
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Athias
@Dr.Franklin
@gugigor
If you want somebody very active that will properly stand up to the mods for you, vote for me. It really is that simple.
Voting for Airmax won't help you at all, he will be loyal to his homeboys and homegirl(s) from DDO.
He's always been that way, very cliquey and all the mods are going to vote for him because he's a fucking puppet for them unless they target his buddies that barely posted anyway.
Do you want a guy who didn't give two shits about the site until he smelt power? Go ahead, do it, vote Airmax. Do you want a guy who cared for this website start to end despite it mistreating him, despite getting wrongly banned and despite a lot of rivalries would defend the rights of all you, enemies or not, against mod abuse because he's been a victim of it like very few others have? THEN VOTE FOR ME.