Christians, we’re in BIG TROUBLE if certain books are removed from schools!

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And who is talking about voices in the head? Where in the world has this nonsense come from? I would never listen to a voice in my head - unless it was my own voice.  I don't believe God talks to us that way anyway. 

That is  interesting Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete.  Tell me; how does god speak to you personally?

How about you read my posts - and note what my name is.  That might be a novelty for you of course.  But if you can't even get my name right, then I will assume you can't read or are just trying to be belligerent. In either case, there is no real need to attempt an answer because either you won't read it properly, or your response will be more of the same belligerence.

It is amazing how a little bit of curtesy might assist you IF you really are genuine in wanting answers.  
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BrotherD.Thomas is back!  Praise Jesus!!!!!
Yes, FLRW, the way I see it, while there is life, there is hope.

And I have not given up hope on the Brother, even if he has on himself. 
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And who is talking about voices in the head? Where in the world has this nonsense come from? I would never listen to a voice in my head - unless it was my own voice.  I don't believe God talks to us that way anyway. 

That is  interesting Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete.  Tell me; how does god speak to you personally?

there is no real need to attempt an answer because either you won't read it properly,

Well I knew you wouldn't offer any type of answer Reverend "Tradey" Tradescrete.  Not without contradicting past statements that you have made concerning "speaking " with god yet claim that the priesthood is a "calling". 


It is amazing how a little bit of curtesy might assist you IF you really are genuine in wanting answers. 

Would you like reminding of your own "courtesy" shown towards me when I had only been here a matter of weeks?  And you are a  Reverend  when you claim to be a Pastor AND a Chaplain, and it was you that first referred to yourself as "Tradey" , why you do you think I always put it in quotes?

I have told you before, you need to keep up with what your other personas say and claim on your behalf..... "Tradey"



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And who is talking about voices in the head? Where in the world has this nonsense come from? I would never listen to a voice in my head - unless it was my own voice.  I don't believe God talks to us that way anyway. 

That is  interesting Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete.  Tell me; how does god speak to you personally?

there is no real need to attempt an answer because either you won't read it properly,

Well I knew you wouldn't offer any type of answer Reverend "Tradey" Tradescrete.  Not without contradicting past statements that you have made concerning "speaking " with god yet claim that the priesthood is a "calling". 


It is amazing how a little bit of curtesy might assist you IF you really are genuine in wanting answers. 

Would you like reminding of your own "courtesy" shown towards me when I had only been here a matter of weeks?  And you are a  Reverend  when you claim to be a Pastor AND a Chaplain, and it was you that first referred to yourself as "Tradey" , why you do you think I always put it in quotes?

I have told you before, you need to keep up with what your other personas say and claim on your behalf..... "Tradey"
So you believe that two wrongs make a right, do you? I will take your response - as "I don't do curtesy". 

Well then, all of your needling will get you what you deserve.  Nothing. 
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@Tradesecret

And who is talking about voices in the head? Where in the world has this nonsense come from? I would never listen to a voice in my head - unless it was my own voice.  I don't believe God talks to us that way anyway. 

That is  interesting Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete.  Tell me; how does god speak to you personally?

there is no real need to attempt an answer because either you won't read it properly,

Well I knew you wouldn't offer any type of answer Reverend "Tradey" Tradescrete.  Not without contradicting past statements that you have made concerning "speaking " with god yet claim that the priesthood is a "calling". 


It is amazing how a little bit of curtesy might assist you IF you really are genuine in wanting answers. 

Would you like reminding of your own "courtesy" shown towards me when I had only been here a matter of weeks?  And you are a  Reverend  when you claim to be a Pastor AND a Chaplain, and it was you that first referred to yourself as "Tradey" , why you do you think I always put it in quotes?

I have told you before, you need to keep up with what your other personas say and claim on your behalf..... "Tradey"
So you believe that two wrongs make a right, do you?

Nope. I believe in treating people exactly how they have  treated me.



I will take your response - as "I don't do curtesy". 

And you would be wrong....AGAIN!  So kindly do not put quotes down to me that I haven't said. It's forgery and I am sure it is against forum rules.

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[1] I am tradesecret.  #18


You may well have started out as just Tradesecret, Reverend "Tradey".


  Not tradey.#18

You were the first to address yourself  as "Tradey", Reverend. HERE very last and bottom line>>>>

Tradesecret wrote: Yes you would love that - so you and the brother can say - Tradey is running away again.  #59
And it was from that^^^^^^^^^^^ point on that I have since referred to you by your chosen pet name, "Tradey"



not tradesecret.#18

Make up your fkn mind !!!! You state above that you are!!! See [1] above:  "  I am tradesecret."



not reverend.#18
But you are the Reverend ....Tradesecret.  LOOK>>> When addressing a letter to a pastor, it is polite to begin it with "The Reverend." This is a title used to address a member of the clergy including pastors and priests. The title "The Reverend" is used to describe an individual and still must be used with a name. It is not proper to simply write the title without a name following. While addressing a letter to a pastor is done in the same format as most other letters, a couple of small changes must be made.https://classroom.synonym.com/how-to-address-a-letter-to-a-pastor-12082702.html



Just Tradesecret. #18

 Nope, you are the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret.


Your full quote:  

  I am tradesecret.  Not tradey. not tradesecrete. not reverend. Just Tradesecret.  #18

This is what comes of not being able to juggle all of those/your personas  REVEREND "TRADEY" TRADESECRET.  And you have the brass balls to speak of to me of integrity, wrong and right, curtesy and god!!!!! 

Cut out and keep .  It may remind you of your own past claims not to mention your own correct title; Reverend.
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Isn't it wonderful to be able to see Brother D and Stephen fawning over one another, again? Actually, no, it isn't. In fact, it's virtually pornographic by Tradesecret's apt definition.

But let's be clear about one thing. The Holy Bible is not categorically the infallible word of God. It contains a plethora of errors and contradictions, but there two glaring reasons for this fact:
1. God did not write it; men did. Men are imperfect, and it shows.

2. Any book, let alone 66 of them as generally acknowledged as canon for Christians and some Jews, subjected to the treatment of it by men over roughly three centuries in the Common Era who:
a. May not have had its best interest at heart, and, may have purposefully engaged in deceptive "translation."
b. May not have understood the multiple ancient cultures [culture drives language] to translate correctly.
c. Did not consider that translation as typically practiced is little more than dictionary-to-dictionary comparison, which expects syntax to be exact across the subject languages. It is not.

3. Depended on manuscripts of which none were likely original, compounding the above concerns.

In the end, even thought not 100% accurate and infallible, the Holy Bible can be understood properly by the same means it was inspired: personal revelation from God if sought properly and sincerely.


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let's be clear about one thing. The Holy Bible is not categorically the infallible word of God. It contains a plethora of errors and contradictions, but there two glaring reasons for this fact:
1. God did not write it; men did. Men are imperfect, and it shows.

2. Any book, let alone 66 of them as generally acknowledged as canon for Christians and some Jews, subjected to the treatment of it by men over roughly three centuries in the Common Era who:
a. May not have had its best interest at heart, and, may have purposefully engaged in deceptive "translation."
b. May not have understood the multiple ancient cultures [culture drives language] to translate correctly.
c. Did not consider that translation as typically practiced is little more than dictionary-to-dictionary comparison, which expects syntax to be exact across the subject languages. It is not.

3. Depended on manuscripts of which none were likely original, compounding the above concerns.
So that will make the New Testament unreliable as any sort of accurate account of the life and times of Jesus the Christ then?


In the end, even thought not 100% accurate and infallible, the Holy Bible can be understood properly by the same means it was inspired: personal revelation from God if sought properly and sincerely.
And you have received a "personal revelation" have you? Would you like to share it with us?
How did it come about?
Was it through prayer?
When did it happen?
What was revealed to you?
How did you know it was god and not Satan ?





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And you have received a "personal revelation" have you? Would you like to share it with us? 
Already shared and rejected as not possible since, according to many on this site, including alleged Christians, God no longer speaks to man by any means since faith has been sold in favor of determinism, meaning because we think we know the quantum physics of the universe, we no longer have need of God.

My plethora of posts bear record of my "sharing" on all points of your current queries, and it is clear enough for those who will attempt to do likewise. You have proven to be unwilling regardless of what I say. Why say more of the same?
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Why say more of the same?

Why, indeed?  Yet here you are repeating your opinions about what you believe as regards the unreliability of the scriptures. 


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Never have I said the scriptures are unreliable, and you demonstrate your hard-headed approach by insisting that I say that. Try again. You know what I've said, and how to engage it. You just don't get it
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 Never have I said the scriptures are unreliable

So are you saying that the bible is a reliable account of the life and times of the Christ , although you are the one that claims that THE BIBLE: 


" contains a plethora of errors and contradictions". <<<<this comment alone renders the scriptures unreliable. You even press home

 that Jews and Chrsitians;

"May not have understood the multiple ancient cultures [culture drives language] to translate correctly".

and that those authors of THE BIBLE;


" Depended on manuscripts of which none were likely original", 

and that THE BIBLE was created by men  that are;

" imperfect, and it shows". <<<< here again you are saying that the authors were " imperfect" and are rendering these "god breathed" scriptures unreliable.

 Are you now telling me that THE BIBLE is perfect, without fault and errors contradictions? Are you now, after all of your own above comments, saying that the BIBLE IS reliable?

And are you denying that the words of THE BIBLE are "god breathed"? 

If anyone is to take your own comments as honest, true and reliable, then there is only one conclusion to be reached, and that is that according to your own words, the bible is an unreliable account of  the life and times of the Christ.


What do the words "god breathed" mean to you?



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@Tradesecret


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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a woman to a man, and then to unknown, and then back to a man, and then went to unknown again,  the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO,  Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, AN ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT, and obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, an embarrassed LIAR of their true gender, and goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, has turned into a HYPOCRITE, and a LIAR, teaches Christianity at Universities in a “blind leading the blind” scenario, and is a False Prophet, says that Jesus is rational when He commits abortions and makes His creation eat their children, and that Jesus is rational when He allows innocent babies to be smashed upon the rocks, has now changed genders 5 TIMES in their profile page, and now has reading comprehension problems,


In relation to your ever so wanting post #9: 

Remember when I told you that when addressing me you are to tell me the “gender” that you are using at the time? Got it? You have changed your gender FIVE TIMES TO DATE in your biography while upon DEBATEART!

1. Tradesecret as a female:
https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy

2. Tradesecret as a male:
https://www.debate.org/Tradesecret/

3. Tradesecret now as an unknown, huh? How can you be UNKNOWN? LOL!
https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret

4. Tradesecret changes back into a male once AGAIN on August 18, 2021: 
https://ibb.co/g7kSCBM

5. Tradesecret now changes back to “unknown” on August 29, 2021
https://ibb.co/DKb48pL


When addressing me, and to save yourself from further embarrassment, wash your hands and reach down into your neither regions and feel around down there to see what it tells you in what gender you are “at the time you post to me,” is it female, male, or unknown as specifically shown above?! UNDERSTOOD?!

ALWAYS PREFACE YOUR POSTS TO ME IN WHAT GENDER YOU ARE USING AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME BECAUSE BIBLICALLY IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE! UNDERSTOOD BIBLE FOOL?!

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@949havoc


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949Havoc,

YOUR DIRECT BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE IN POST #37: "God did not write it; men did. Men are imperfect, and it shows."

We can see that you are vying to be more Bible stupid than Tradesecret, whereas Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures relative to your quote above says that you are a LIAR!


949Havoc, what part of the following passages in you calling Jesus' inspired words as LIES, don't you understand, Bible fool?

“And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) 


Now, you are on record within this Religious Forum of calling Jesus' inspired words as LIES! Furthermore, when using God in your lame statements, do not use His "title," but to show respect, use the name of Jesus because He is the God of the Christians, understood inept Bible fool named 949Havoc?!!!

Once again you are excused in total embarrassment in front of the membership!


NEXT BIBLE IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN EQUAL TO 949HAVOC WILL BE ...?

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RationalMadman,

YOUR QUOTE TO THE BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED TRADESECRET:  "Pretty dangerous path to go down if you'd kill your own offspring because your imaginary friend compelled you to do so."

Tradesecret, either being a female, male, or unknown, also states that a pseudo-christian is worthy if they MURDER their offspring if they curse their parents as explicitly shown in the revealing link below!!!


Tradesecrets total Bible ignorance and despicable sickening quotes of same will never stop amazing the membership of this Religious Forum!

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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a woman to a man, and then to unknown, and then back to a man, and then went to unknown again,  the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO,  Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, AN ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT, and obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, an embarrassed LIAR of their true gender, and goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, has turned into a HYPOCRITE, and a LIAR, teaches Christianity at Universities in a “blind leading the blind” scenario, and is a False Prophet, says that Jesus is rational when He commits abortions and makes His creation eat their children, and that Jesus is rational when He allows innocent babies to be smashed upon the rocks, has now changed genders 5 TIMES in their profile page, and now has reading comprehension problems,


YOUR QUOTE #25 IN NOT WANTING THE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE YOU TO NOT JOIN THE KKK: "Christians should not join the KKK. It is anathema to everything that the bible teaches. Christians are not intentionally racist."

QUIT BEING SUCH A GODDAM BIBLE STUPID FOOL!  Of course Jesus as our serial killer Yahweh God incarnate set examples and taught that Christians should be racist you dumbfounded Bible ignorant fool once again! H-E-L-L-O?!


JESUS STATED: The first commandment is racist; "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." condemns those who worship any other than the biblical Hebrew God Jesus which equals racism. (Deuteronomy 5:4)

JESUS STATED: He forbids marriages with those of other tribes which is racism. (Deuteronomy 7:3)

JESUS STATED: If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down which is pure racist killing! (Deuteronomy 13:12-16)

JESUS STATED: He will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts a difference between the Egyptians and Israel which equals pure racism. (Exodus 11:7)

JESUS STATED: His followers are not to allow others to worship a different god where Jesus commands to conquer them and destroy their religious property is racism. (Exodus 23:24)

JESUS STATED: He selected the Hebrews to be "a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth" (Deuteronomy 7:6) and that He told his "chosen ones" to kill everyone in the other ethnic groups in Canaan is pure racsim! (Deuteronomy 20:16).


Remember, if you address this post, you are to give me your current gender as I have stated in the link below, UNDERSTOOD BIBLE FOOL?


TRADESECRET, BETTER YET, TAKE YOUR PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE IGNORANT DOG AND PONY SHOW ELSEWHERE, ENOUGH OF YOUR COMPLETE BIBLE STUPIDITY UPON THIS PRESTIGIOUS FORUM, ENOUGH!!!

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I never said anywhere to call me anything else that tradesecret. If I referred to myself in a discussion - as tradey, that is my prerogative. It is not yours. I have asked you now on at least two occasions to call me Tradesecret. Even in your pitiful reply and might I say in at least one place contrived and absolutely a lie:


not tradesecret.#18


So why would I want to reply with any wisdom to you?  You have no curtesy. And you just make stuff up. 
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And you have received a "personal revelation" have you? Would you like to share it with us? 
Already shared and rejected as not possible since, according to many on this site, including alleged Christians, God no longer speaks to man by any means since faith has been sold in favor of determinism, meaning because we think we know the quantum physics of the universe, we no longer have need of God.

My plethora of posts bear record of my "sharing" on all points of your current queries, and it is clear enough for those who will attempt to do likewise. You have proven to be unwilling regardless of what I say. Why say more of the same?
How do you wrestle with Jude - who clearly writes his letter to Christians to "contend" for the "faith once and for all delivered" to the saints? How can one contend for something that is always changing? How can one deliver "the faith" (set of principles and doctrines) "once and for all" and yet keep delivering more and more? How can it be "once and for more" delivered" and yet not completely delivered?

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Anyone that hasn't had a personal revelation and they're attending whatever religious service or church that they've been doing out of habit. Without that Revelation it does not become personal.
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Lol what is this thread
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Tradesecret wrote;  Even in your pitiful reply and might I say in at least one place contrived and absolutely a lie:
Nope. No lies, this is clearly from your own quote, Reverend "Tradey"

Tradesecret wrote: not tradesecret.#18


Tradesecret wrote:  So why would I want to reply with any wisdom to you?  You have no curtesy. And you just make stuff up. 
I thought you might accuse me of lying when I exposed your utter idiocy, that is why I quoted your quote in full. 

Here it is again you fool. NOTE bold underlined

Tradesecret wrote: 

#18  I am tradesecret.  Not tradey.   not tradesecrete.   not reverend. Just Tradesecret.  I am definitely not woke or socialist. nor democrat.  nor a bible hater. 

HERE, bottom line>>>>#59
Tradesecret wrote: Yes you would love that - so you and the brother can say - Tradey is running away again.  #59



Off you go now Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret.  😂

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@Stephen
Don't be so daft. 

Read the quote again.  I am tradesecret. Just Tradesecret. 

Not tradey, not tradesecrete, not reverend, 

So if you are suggesting that tradesecret and tradesecrete are the same, then you are a liar and a fraud. You are the one who has continually put on the e when it was not part of my name.  And above - you simply remove it - to try and cover yourself.  You really are sad and pathetic. On the bright side at least your only friend has come back to give you some support. 

Why would you think I would accuse you of lying? Because you knew that you were and you did. 




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Anyone that hasn't had a personal revelation and they're attending whatever religious service or church that they've been doing out of habit. Without that Revelation it does not become personal.
Christians don't believe that revelation has gone away or that God does not speak to us. We just say that fresh revelation - new revelation has ceased.  God has already given so much - that most of us don't know what to do with it already.  Why would he keep giving more and more - if we can't handle what he already has given. God is not a monster. He also knows what we can handle.  He is not a cruel taskmaster. Wanting to give more and more more. 

God started with one command. After man sinned, it increases 10 fold. Ironically after man gave God the flick, legislation and laws increased and increased and increased. And the further we get away from God, the more it increases.  

Me, I like simple. 
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Bloody hell! What does it take.

And you have received a "personal revelation" have you? Would you like to share it with us? 
Already shared and rejected as not possible since, according to many on this site, including alleged Christians, God no longer speaks to man by any means since faith has been sold in favor of determinism, meaning because we think we know the quantum physics of the universe, we no longer have need of God.

My plethora of posts bear record of my "sharing" on all points of your current queries, and it is clear enough for those who will attempt to do likewise. You have proven to be unwilling regardless of what I say. Why say more of the same?
You still don't get it. do you? You want it on a solver platter, you stuck-up narcissist ?
Here it is: read James 1: --- the whole bloody chapter. Do what he says, explicitly and sincerely, and do not doubt.
I know you won't because you're already proud enough to know already. Really? Then why6 do you ask? Too proud to admit you don't know how to find out? You're back to square one: Read James. I know you won't.

Done.
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No idea why you posted any of that nothing to do with what I said.
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You have entirely, completely, and irrevocably misrepresented what I said for your personal foil. Sorry, can't let you get away with that. 
Read what I said, again, because I do not say that God gave us flawed scriptures. I said that we do not have original manuscript one of any of the books of the Bible. As revealed to prophets, and as revealed by Christ during his earthly ministry, yes, that was pure. But the originals have been manipulated, mistranslated, lost, and otherwise0 made flawed by men. Fallible men.  Get it? 

I didn't think so. Argue for your limitations; they're yours.
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Knowing the history of the handing of biblical manuscripts, do you really have to ask?
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then you are a liar and a fraud. You are the one who has continually put on the e 

Semantics . Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecret without an E.  Stop your whining.  Mind you, I would have wanted to distance myself from all and anything that came across as childishly ethangesque myself "Tradey"

"so you and the brother can say - is running away again".  #59


hypocorism: (also known as a pet name or calling name), is a shorter or diminutive form of a word or given name, for example, when used in more intimate situations as a nickname or term of endearment.
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You still don't get it. do you?

Nope, I don't get what you are trying to say at all. Because your saying:

THE BIBLE: 

[A]
" contains a plethora of errors and contradictions". #37

and that Jews and Christians;

[B]
"May not have understood the multiple ancient cultures [culture drives language] to translate correctly".#37

And you further these comments by adding that the authors of the BIBLE:

[C]
" Depended on manuscripts of which none were likely original", #37
So I am simply asking you, given just those three comments of yours, wouldn't this render the BIBLE unreliable?  It is a simple yes or no question that has risen from your own comments  about the BIBLE!


You want it on a solver platter, you stuck-up narcissist ?

Stop being so dramatic. I simply want you to answer my questions. 


Here it is: read James 1: --- the whole bloody chapter. Do what he says, explicitly and sincerely, and do not doubt.

That would be James, one of those "imperfect men" that you write about in the same comment as the above; HERE>

1. God did not write it; men did. Men are imperfect, and it shows.#37
I won't mention the fact that THE BIBLE claims that  every word of THE BIBLE is the word of god himself. (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

I know you won't because you're already proud enough to know already.

I have read James. I also read the non-canonical gospel of Thomas where we can also read that on the strict  command of the Christ that the disciples were told to turn to James the Just as leader of the church,  not PETER and certainly not PAUL!


Too proud to admit you don't know how to find out?

Not at all. So why don't you explain?  

Is the bible unreliable given your own criticisms  above at [A], [B] & [C] ?


And given that you also say:

I said that we do not have original manuscript one of any of the books of the Bible. As revealed to prophets, and as revealed by Christ during his earthly ministry......
the originals have been manipulated, mistranslated, lost, and otherwise0 made flawed by men. Fallible men. #56

Does this not make the scriptures unreliable? Yes or No?
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@Mharman
What atheists do in the religion forum and call it debate.