And what happens when no one wants to volunteer to pick up trash and clean up sewage? We can't pay anyone to do it so...
In this analogy, you don't know the contents of your sandwich. However, with jobs, people know what a job entails much more than they know whether or not a sandwich is poisoned so they pick the hard jobs to get paid the most.
If someone offers you $5 to eat one of your sandwiches, you have an incentive to make more sandwiches, feeding more people, and getting yourself rich in the process.
Are you saying that you are to good to do that kind of work?
Are you saying that you are to good to do that kind of work?No.
Then grow up and do your share of the dishes.
No, I don't want to. All my needs are met so I'm going to spend my time playing music and reading books. I'm not going to pump any sewage. What are you going to do about it?
What happens when no one wants to volunteer to pick up trash and clean up sewage? We can't pay anyone to do it so...
Don't you shame people who don't want to work now? People that live off their families or the government?
I don't care about my reputation. What do I need that for? All my fulfillment comes from my pursuit of music and knowledge. I don't care what people say or think about me. And I'm still not going to pump any sewage. Now what?
Now no one will respect you or treat you like an adult. That is what we will do.
In general corperations don't invent products
Great! So all my needs are met. I get to do all the things I love doing. And you will be stuck doing the dirty work that I don't want to do. Maybe this isn't such a bad plan after all.
Billionaires are not special they are rich.
Jeff Bazos... had the idea to sell books on the internet using computers. This was not a worthless idea
somebody else didn't have the idea,
This is what employment has done to us. We think we cannot even justify taking care of ourselves. This is what I mean. When you think of dirty work as undesirable instead of just another necessary chore.
Social interaction would still exist and your social standing would be in the toilet if you refuse to help clean the toilets. I think you underestimate how powerful social pressure can be.
His success would have been impossible without a loan from his parents.
he'd have generated a business plan to present to a bank, or the SBA, for a loan.
You cannot, in all your marxism, take that away from me,
It is silly to think that we shouldn't pursue the idea of ending employment because it might make the world dirty.
And what happens when no one wants to volunteer to pick up trash and clean up sewage? We can't pay anyone to do it so...
And what happens when no one wants to volunteer to pick up trash and clean up sewage? We can't pay anyone to do it so...I tell you what I wouldn't do is threaten them with homelessness and death by starvation.
So is social shaming the only motivational tool you have to coerce people into doing dirty work?
Here is the problem. You think people will have to he coerced and I think it is wrong to coerce people.Then why are you suggesting we socially shame people to persuade them to do something they don't want to do?
Then why are you suggesting we socially shame people to persuade them to do something they don't want to do?
I'm not sure it is morally correct but it is better than coercing them with the threat of homelessness and starvation enforced by the threat of police violence which is our current system.
Your system should be able to stand on its own merit, rather than just needing to be better than another system.
The problem I see is that there is no real obligation for anyone to do the dirty work outside of intrinsic motivation and peer pressure.
if you have an entire society, there are bound to be a group of people who don't see the common good as convincing enough to pump sewage.
In essence, you are rewarding the lazy by giving them the benefits of having the dirty work done without actually having to do any dirty work. And that breeds resentment in those who are doing this work. The common good is only so fulfilling when you have to take out your neighbor's trash, but he doesn't have to take out yours.
