Blue moon, and the failure of determinism

The question is rhetorical.

Even perhaps darkly humorous.

Hamlet will die no matter what.

Just like you.

impressive

Well stated.

Yes, as will I, and all of us. However, we necessarily reduce, or expand the means by which death comes to pass. I am pretty certain I have eliminated death by falling from an airplane due to a failed parachute because I have never worn one, and plan never to do so. Many other examples of the myriad ways to die that are possible due to my decisions to avoid those circumstances. Hamlet made choices, too. One of them ended his life, by association with the wrong people.

i know multiple people who have attempted and failed to commit suicide.

so.

i'm not sure your logic holds water.

Some people are unable to overcome their natural instinct for survival, even when they think they have willed to off themselves. Having agency does not guarantee one will succeed in acting on their agency.

Failure to commit suicide is attention seeking.

A person with real suicidal  intentions will usually succeed.

I thought I had said all I intended to say on the subject of man’s free will, but a suggestion by one of you pertaining to another Forum thread that connects in this regard. I had forgotten the thrust of why I believe the concept of free will over determinism, at least beyond the core of my belief in it which ‘I’ve already expressed: that there is purpose to free agency unlike it’s opposite. Though no one has said determinism is purposeless, the entire idea seems to lack purpose at all; it just is, or, rather, is alleged to be just the way things are.
 
The suggestion had reference to the dichotomy of people on this site relative to belief in God, and not believing, and that it seems the numbers of non-believers exceeds the believers. I believe this.
 
Here’s how that ties to my argument for free will, and it has everything to do with purpose. The primary reason for free will is to choose to accept Jesus Christ, his divine fathership and mortal motherhood, and the glorious atonement he suffered for our benefit to overcome our weakness in sun by repentance, out suffering at the hands of oppressors, our pains of life, and our sorrows in loss. All of these limitations are removed from us, ultimately, in accordance with our choice to accept Christ, and live in joy, or reject him and die in misery.
 
Sounds like an easy choice when couched in these terms, life and joy, or death and misery. Who would not choose Christ, and his declaration, “I am the life and the light.” The fact is, some us do just that, and we who have find determinism to be nothing but limitation imposed on us, whereas freedom of choice by virtue of the great gift of the atonement, leads us to joy in this life, and anticipation of the next. The difference is a recognition, by our will to do so, of a personal Savior and Redeemer, or the impersonal limitation of thinking the universe imposes its will on us by messing with our brain chemistry by its particles, fields, waves, and forces.

I'm pretty certain you can only speak for yourself.

Nope.

Never been an attention seeker, nor committed suicide.

Posting your thoughts on the internet is, by definition, attention seeking.

Looked it up and couldn't find that particular definition.

By definition, responding is responsive.

And a plea to the emotions like threatening to commit suicide, is attention seeking.

People who make positive decisions, will commit suicide and won't make a song and dance about it.

Of course.......One persons positive is another persons negative.....So to speak.

(IFF) you didn't need attention from others (THEN) you would not bother to communicate with others

Well.

One neither needs nor wants attention.

But enjoys interaction with others.

And also enjoys moments of solitude too.

Whereas:

Attention seeking is a recognised expression, that describes those that do need and want attention.

As well you should know.

humans are social animals

Well.  Human animals  probably have an instinctive need to be gregarious.

Though a highly developed, conceptually driven social culture, often prevents the expression of natural behaviour.

Hence why people seek attention...Sometimes dramatically.

Also, probably has a lot to do with people who choose to commit suicide.