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@secularmerlin
I cant find anything what you asked for because they are not related.
MORE than HALF of POLICE KILLINGS are MISLABELED, NEW STUDY SAYS
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Murder victims are people murdered.
yea no shit.
And yeah, you totally skipped post #41.
wasn't even in the discussion during post 41.
I'm officially done with you, you don't really want to discuss anything in good faith, so have a nice day.
Please explain how I have been in bad fucking faith (because I didn't see post 41?).
You, my sir are the fucking king of bad faith; this entire discussion you have been making logical fallacies and when asked for evidence you cant even bring relevant data.
You are a troll.
You want the amount killed by police? sure.241 out of 9913 Black murders were done by cops in 2020.Lets run that percentage...that comes out to 2.43% A tiny source of all murders of Blacks. Most of the 241 justified against armed and dangerous mostly male assailants vs the 9300 killed by other blacks...victims which include many Black women and Black kids.That's the main reason 81% of Blacks polled want more police, not less. The major oppressor of blacks is overwhelmingly other blacks.That's a real problem and ignored by most of America for what reason exactly? Why do you think 81% of Blacks think this way about police?
pivottt..................
(maybe you need to reread How to Debate Leftists and Destroy Them for Winning again to refresh your memory)
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@secularmerlin
Honestly I don't know what your position is, you obviously know Blacks commit a huge disproportional amount of crime, especially murders. You've seen the numbers.
That means police are going to have a LOT more instances with Police encountering Black criminals than White criminals. What do you expect the statistics to look like?
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@Greyparrot
I cant find anything what you asked for because they are not related.
I asked for the number of people of color who were killed by police compared with white people adjusted by population. If you cannot find this information then you don't actually have a case.
@gp
Why do they commit more crime?
Also little tip before you spout your bullshit your gonna need your proof...Sorry you dont have an argument.
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@Greyparrot
Honestly I don't know what your position is, you obviously know Blacks commit a huge disproportional amount of crime, especially murders. You've seen the numbers.
No sir. I obviously know that the poor and desperate are convicted of crimes at a far higher rate than the wealthy and I also know that people of color are disproportionally affected by poverty. Indeed in those circumstances what do you expect the statistics to look like? I would expect this systemic oppression to result in exactly the numbers you are reporting. You are actually making my case. All things being equal we would equal numbers of poor, median income and wealthy families in each possible demographic. If this is not what we see then all things are not equal.
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@secularmerlin
Putting aside your opinion that Blacks don't commit more crimes, how do you explain the disproportional amount of dead people?
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@Greyparrot
Poor people do get convicted of more crime and people of color are disproportionally affected by poverty. I'm not sure where the disconnect is here. Your numbers support this.
As for murder specifically most white people who are murdered are murdered by white people. Most Chinese Americans by Chinese Americans and so on. Statistically speaking you are murdered by someone of your ethnicity.
Why not come up with some useful numbers like how many people of color are killed by white police versus white non police? Remember when I said that statistically murderers murder within the same ethnicity? The exception is the police who mostly kill people of color and who also rarely are convicted of murder for it.
Statistically speaking people of color are given fewer promotions, have lower starting salaries and get lower raises than their white counterparts. They receive fewer loans even within the same economic brackets. Resumes with "white sounding" names consistently get more call backs than "black sounding" names.
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@secularmerlin
Poor people do get convicted of more crime and people of color are disproportionally affected by poverty
How is poverty causing 9300 blacks to be killed by other blacks?
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@secularmerlin
And some men are FAR more likely to be shot than others. If you would like to know the difference pick up some paint swatches.
Or look at average behavior and understand that the difference is logical, as with gender.....
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@bmdrocks21
Or look at average behavior and understand that the difference is logical, as with gender.....
you mean whites and blacks are different biologically I assume?
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@BigPimpDaddy
you mean whites and blacks are different biologically I assume?
Maybe, but not necessarily. There can be differences in behavior holding genetics constant, proven through twins studies.
That could result from something less controversial, such as cultural differences and average different experiences (presence of fathers, for example)
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@Greyparrot
How is poverty causing 9300 blacks to be killed by other blacks?
Do us a favor love? Look up what the percentage of white on white murder is and see if most whites are not murdered by whites? This is hardly surprising. Most murder victims are murdered by someone they know and our society is actually pretty segregated by the aforementioned systemic racism.
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@bmdrocks21
Or look at average behavior and understand that the difference is logical, as with gender.....
Average behavior? Of whom exactly? Of the poverty ridden?
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@secularmerlin
Do us a favor love?
Do me a favor, figure out per capita murder rates....
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@secularmerlin
That's not explaining the 9300 blacks killed by other blacks yearly.
If the reason isn't "poverty" what is the reason for this FACT?
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@secularmerlin
Average behavior? Of whom exactly? Of the poverty ridden?
Does poverty make men commit more crime?
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@bmdrocks21
Do me a favor, figure out per capita murder rates....
Would you care to figure that by economic class? If you do I don't think you will see much difference between people of color and other ethnic groups. You may however see a difference in conviction rates as people of color are disproportionally convicted.
If the reason isn't "poverty" what is the reason for this FACT?
Poverty is the deciding factor here. I don't think you are actually paying attention.
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@bmdrocks21
Does poverty make men commit more crime?
At the very least it makes you far more likely to be convicted for crimes. No expensive lawyers or connections.
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@bmdrocks21
Does poverty make men commit more crime?
Yeah, that's what I was trying to ask.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to ask.
thats been answered about 10 times now.
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@secularmerlin
If you do I don't think you will see much difference between people of color and other ethnic groups.
Ok let's do that then, and test your assertion that there is "not that much difference"
I think you don't have much problem with the FBI finding that between 1980-2008, within that period “most murders were intraracial”, with 84% of white victims killed by whites and 93% of Black victims killed by Black perpetrators. You said yourself that most people are killed by people they know.
8.5 million poor Blacks.
15.9 million poor whites
9219 Blacks killed by other Blacks in 2020.
5904 Whites murdered by other whites in 2020.
That's not even close to being "not much of a difference"
Can you explain this huge difference?
If it was all equal, you would expect like around 20000 dead whites killed from other whites from the amount of poor whites in the nation.
Not 5904 dead.
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@Greyparrot
I'm sorry is this all people killed or only rates of murder conviction? Remember when I said people of color are disproportionally convicted of crime? That.
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@secularmerlin
I'm just counting dead bodies. That's the thing that's an issue in the culturally backwards ghettos. Dead bodies. Disproportionally dead bodies. And poverty alone doesn't explain it away. Not even close as it turns out since adjusted for population, its about 4 times the rate of poverty stricken white ghettoes.
There is a deep cultural problem creating all those disproportional dead bodies. What do you think it is?
What exactly is it that's DRIVING blacks to kill each other at 4 times the rate as poor whites?
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@Greyparrot
Getting convicted at four times the rate you mean? Probably that a person of color is in general four times as likely to be convicted of a crime.
Just for a moment though let's humor you. The alternative is what? That people of color are inherently more violent? I hate to belabor the obvious but that is a racist attitude to hold so I hope that isn't what you are saying. I hope you aren't just a blatant racist.
Getting convicted at four times the rate you mean? Probably that a person of color is in general four times as likely to be convicted of a crime.
No, counting dead bodies. Police aren't even involved in this. It's a coroner statistic.
What exactly is it that's DRIVING blacks to kill each other at 4 times the rate as poor whites?
I hate to belabor the obvious but that is a racist attitude to hold so I hope that isn't what you are saying. I hope you aren't just a blatant racist.
What if the reason has nothing to do with race?
That people of color are inherently more violent?
Obviously that's not the case as Black immigrants have far lower rates of crime than Home grown Black Americans.
It's obviously a cultural thing, and not a race thing.