Collectivism is evil.

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Your conditioned political bias and intolerance dictates that:

Democrat  always bad, even though they might actually sometimes get things right.

Republican always good, even though they might actually sometimes get things wrong.
You must be thinking of someone else because that is not my attitude about either party. I am not a registered member of either party. There are Ds who piss me off; there are Rs who piss me off.

No, if Trump asked me to goose anything, I would not do it. I wish he were kinder, but he's definitively an eye-for-eye guy, and, typically, hits harder than hit. The way he's been hit, however, from all sides, frankly, I cannot blame him. We need a decisive executive in the Oval, and that was Trump. Biden is a joke by comparison. A bad joke. I can laugh at him only because he's not qualified for dogcatcher. The stupidity is all over his face. He likes children rubbing his hairy legs? Really? He admits that? Sorry, no sale, eve if he could do something positive, but, not yet. Probably not ever. Just not right for the part. That's a thousand times worse than a shirtless Putin, whose body is not quite a paragon of animals.
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Overproduction of all food stuffs
As I said, the problem isn't overproduction, just as we do not have an overpopulation problem, either. We have a distribution problem, and, that, likely, caused by greed.

That there are predatory practices in business is no surprise; the greed thing. But do you have to succumb to it? Again, education, and acting on the education, is the pathway out of all of your bitching, regardless on what subject. Must you be a victim because that is what you are told you should be? Stop. YOU decide to be a victim. YOU also decide to not be a victim. Decide.
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We have a distribution problem, and, that, likely, caused by greed.
So not to beat a dead horse but that's capitalism.
YOU decide to be a victim. YOU also decide to not be a victim. Decide.
Victim blaming further hurts the victim and excuses the abuser. No sir your abuser decides to make you a victim and if you cannot remove yourself from the situation (say because of you do you risk destitution, homelessness and starvation if you try) then the abuse will continue.
education, and acting on the education, is the pathway out 
Higher education is just one more thing disproportionally provided to the rich and withheld from the poor. Its almost like the system is set up so that you have to start wealthy to end up wealthy. Funny that. 
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So not to beat a dead horse but that's capitalism.
By that argument, no other system but capitalism produces and distributes goods, and that is clearly false.

Victim blaming further hurts the victim
I did not blame victims. I said people should not accept being victims, but, often, the choice is theirs. Very few things happen to us but that we allow it.  I blame the choice, not the condition.

Higher education is just one more thing disproportionally provided to the rich and withheld from the poor.
So, what's your excuse for people like Dr. Ben Carson, who was just about as poor as can be, yet, he. achieved a high education, valued it, and pursued and achieved excellence. How did he do it? Demonstrated his ability to be ambitious, to learn to plan and execute [where have we heard that, before?] and earned scholarship. The poor are not also necessarily stupid, unless they deny their potential. Many, unfortunately, do just that, butBen Carson, for one, proved poverty need not be a limiting factor. Arguing for your limitations is a limiting factor, but that also denies ambition, planning, and execution; my dad's lesson to me. Net result: Entitlement thinking.

 Its almost like the system is set up so that you have to start wealthy to end up wealthy. Funny that. 
The only thing funny about that is that it is how patently false it is, and I've just explained why above. What's funny is that so many people don't believe anything I've said. My dad was not rich, but only because he started too late realizing his simple triad lesson to me. He started dirt poor, and achieved middle middle class on his own. What he learned he passed to me. Ny dad was an honorable man, and I knew he would not lie to me. I just did as he taught, because I trusted him. Net result: everything you've said here is excuses .
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By that argument, no other system but capitalism produces and distributes goods, and that is clearly false.
Please elaborate. What system currently exists for the widespread distribution of goods that is not a business endeavor?
I did not blame victims. I said people should not accept being victims but, often, the choice is theirs. 
Please elaborate. What precisely is the difference between victim blaming and claiming that victims have chosen to be abused?

Also freewill is logically incoherent so no none chooses anything. 
So, what's your excuse for people like Dr. Ben Carson, who was just about as poor as can be, yet, he. achieved a high education, valued it, and pursued and achieved excellence. 
Outlying data must drive staticians mad but it does change the statistical base line which in this case is that the more wealthy a family you belong to the higher your chances of attending college. 
The only thing funny about that is that it is how patently false it is, 
Very few people go from impoverished to wealthy. If a minuscule number do manage it this doesn't mean that every person who fails to do so is at fault though it does allow conservatives to falsely claim that this is the case. America is not a meritocracy it is a capitalist state. Capitalism tends naturally towards monopolies and monopolies guarantee there isnot enough to go around even when there is enough to go around. 
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What system currently exists for the widespread distribution of goods that is not a business endeavor?
We are talking economic systems here, yeah? is not communism/socialism also an economic system? Do they not engage in business? Yes. Does that not include manufacturing and distribution? Yes. Just not as well, and sustainable, as capitalism. What, you think greed and exploitation do not exist in those systems? I know they do in capitalism, but also in the others, so that is not a distinction you can put entirely n the capitalist box.

What precisely is the difference between victim blaming and claiming that victims have chosen to be abused?
Victims can result by the action s of others, without the victim's cooperation. but victims can also be their own worst enemy; chhosing to be a victim of the system, whatever that system may be, such as choosing to end schooling before they should, by not choosing, instead, to engage ambition, planning, execution. That is a choice, whether you believe it, or not.

Outlying data must drive staticians mad 
I happen to be a statistician, a six sigma black belt. Yes, outliers do occur, but the example of Ben Carson is not all that rare that it does not figure into the normal distribution, the normal bell curve. It is not at the mean, but it does have significant contribution.


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We are talking economic systems here, yeah? is not communism/socialism also an economic system? Do they not engage in business? Yes. Does that not include manufacturing and distribution? Yes. Just not as well, and sustainable, as capitalism. What, you think greed and exploitation do not exist in those systems? I know they do in capitalism, but also in the others, so that is not a distinction you can put entirely n the capitalist box.
What are you talking about? The world is capitalist. It is so capitalist that the only way for socialist systems to move goods they must rely on capitalism to do so.  Capitalism has a huge vested interest in keeping it that way.
chhosing to be a victim of the system, whatever that system may be, 
The impoverished are never asked if they would like to opt out of capitalism and no alternative currently exists to opt out too.
I happen to be a statistician
And you don't recognize that statistically the biggest indicator of whether or not a child will grow up to be wealthy is the wealth of that child's parents? I didn't think that was at all controversial. Perhaps you have some sources?
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@rationalman

Please unblock.

it seems you ignored my entire post #13


While I agree it is a form of socialism (in this case marxism-leninism) That doesn't speak for the entirety of socialism.
There has been plenty of anarcho socialist revolutions but most crushed by wars with capitalist countries, foreign intervention, etc, etc and they fall into totalitarianism and dictatorship.

Please stop equating pol pot, lenin, and stalin with communism.
two stalin and lenin were barely considered communist.
Don't equate authority with communism either the general idea of communism is the least authority possible.
(stateless, classless, moneyless.)
Lenin, stalin, and mao were neither of these; they were just like the bourgeoisie they weaponized the state and were the highest class (dictator).
Dont equate marxism leninism with the entirety of the communist spectrum.

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pol pot was absolutely a communist. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
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feel free to elaborate!
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Collectivism is obviously better than individualism. There is no “individual” without the backdrop of family, community, background, and nation
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Stalin, mao, and Lenin were communists 
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I already have. You've made a ton of oneliners with cheap quips/comebacks.

There is no such thing as a stateless, classless society because that is not a society. You can't imprison someone for wrongdoing if no cop/enforcer class and prisoner class exist on the side of 'civilian'. Then, you can't have the cops/enforcers without regulation unless you want them to inevitably abuse their power, so you need a government to discipline them and hold each accountable to the law. 

You then need a military to protect, medics to stop the population rapidly dying to disease and injuries that occur in every nation (and need to ensure there are enough of each profession by even educating enough to fill the role for starters) and so much more to consider.

Now, you need a 'researcher' class. This type of worker is the worst-off in communism/socialism short of the CEO business tycoon class because the researcher can't get any flexibility or leniency nor use the profits of their research to further it nor a similar cause. This means they need to apply through rigid, legally decided criteria and if they don't tick the boxes for safe enough of a research avenue for the national state budget to be spent on, they're discarded. It's why the US annihilated the USSR in their 'race' and why China never came close until it embraced many elements of Capitalism.