was the world created with novelty (dna, changing astrological patterns etc) so teh creator wouldn't get bored?
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that would require that it was novel to the creator
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@rosends
You dont think the creator could create novelty for Himself?
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@janesix
that depends on the idea of the creator. If the creator is infinite, perfect and all those other extremes then nothing is new to the creaor and you get into that logical loop of "the being knows all can do everything, but can he create something that would be new to him?" (the intellectual equivalent of making a rock he cannot lift)
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@rosends
Dont know why people assume the creator is all of those extremes.
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@janesix
The extremes, no doubt, are multiplied many fold because there is not just one creator. They are legion.
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@949havoc
why do you think that?
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@janesix
It isn't an assumption -- it is an object of faith. If you start with that, certain questions arise and others don't make sense to be asked. If you start with other views, you get to different questions. Any one starting point is just as liable to be questioned as any other.
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@rosends
ok
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@rosends
pointless to argue with people about faith as they are close minded
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@janesix
was the world created with novelty (dna, changing astrological patterns etc) so teh creator wouldn't get bored?
Can the creator even become bored?
Boredom is an animal phenomenon. It could be an evolutionary adaptation that makes young animals (including young humans) explore and stimulate themselves, learn more about their environment -- in other words, one more thing we evolved to help keep us alive. But the creator doesn't need to worry about keeping alive, supposedly, and he definitely isn't supposed to have evolved.
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@janesix
Because the scriptures tell us so, such as Genesis: " Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." [1: 26]
God is not so vain as to need to use the mortal royal "we," God is speaking to other gods, participating in creation. Add to that the clues, also in Genesis, that the creation is not of the entire universe, but a more local setting, where specific lights are created to be used specifically by Earth for her "times and seasons, and days and years" {1: 14] and lights to rule the day and night [sun & moon] [1: 15, 16]
Additionally, because of this specific creation, I believe other gods have participated in creating other regions of the universe, and continue to do so.
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@janesix
Dont know why people assume the creator is all of those extremes.
Because some religious people arguing with eachother about who is right.
A: My god created the forest
B: Well my god is greater, they created all the forests.
A: Oh yeah?!?! Well mine created the whole planet!!!
B: BUT MINE IS INFINITE AND MADE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND EXISTS OUTSIDE OF TIME AND SPACE AND IS ETERNALLY EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE AND IS BETTER THAN ALL ANYTHING PERIOD!!!!!
I wouldn't think You would create just one thing. A Universe.
You can picture god looking at a " blank space " and thinking.
Ummmmmm.
One has to think if god created this entire universe right here , i wonder what hs created over there ?
When it comes to creating things. One has to think. I mean , try to picture of god creating round worms and beetles.
28,000 different species of round worms.
Take 6 seconds to picture it
And a 5
And 4
And 3
And a 2.
And one.
Can you pic it ?
Lets try picturing God making a star.
Once we can part fathom this . We can picture god looking at that star and thinkin .
I might make another 3 or so billion of these little beauties.
No but.
If you possess the ability to be able to believe a god thing made alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll this.
Please note .
This mighty thing also wants you to know that. ( BOYS ARE NOT ALLOWES TO KISS BOYS )
Well he doesn't like it.
God thought the Moon was a light in the sky.
He thought the moon lit up.
Soooooooooooooo we can rule god out for knowing shit
He thought the moon lit up.
Soooooooooooooo we can rule god out for knowing shit
Picture god making asteroids / meteorites.
Then making dinosaurs.
Two things that did not get along.
Picture god making animals that ummmmmm go extinct.
PICTURE GOD MAKING PUFFINS and possessing the ability to NOT watch them alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll day long.
That is god like.
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@janesix
@Deb-8-a-bull
Yep.
Star making's a doddle.
I'm just curious as to the source of the raw materials.
Does it get a mention in that highly authoritative book?
The one written a few hundred years ago.
And based upon old Middle Eastern folk tales.
You know the sort of highly believable, authoritative stuff.
Like a 500 year old guy, that took a hundred years to build a giant wooden zoo boat.
Presumably all the animals of the world were beamed aboard Scottie.
Now that's a novelty.
Why didn't MAN GOD just click his fingers, like he did when he made stars.
D'oh......MAN GOD OMNINOTTHINKINGSTRAIGHT.
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@Castin
The creator is a conscious being, i assume any conscious being could become bored/
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@Deb-8-a-bull
true.
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@zedvictor4
according to the standard model only energy really exists anyway, not matter
Since we are part of God there's no way that anything we experience it doesn't experience. So I believe God experiences all kinds of things like happiness and joy and humor. Whenever people attribute certain things to God I just assume that they are basing that on their own experience. So when you say God looks at people as a novelty then you look at people as a novelty. I'm not sure you meant that as a compliment but more of an insult so I'm not sure how to take that.
I like thinking about god Placing his creations on the board.
He makes something and then puts it down.
So he made a star, keep in mind that this is the singular BIGGEST thing he as ever made.
Your thinking he is going to place them like he did mountains and stuff.
But no.
He holds this thing above his head and just lets it go.
Have it " floating " around the sky at a billion miles an hour.
Picture him holding a asteroids for 5.34 seconds then just letting go so it doesn't run into stuff.
I haven't a clue why one would make things that have to breath.
an artist has an image in his head, but he still chooses to paint the picture. was it novel to the artist to paint the picture?
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@zedvictor4
Why didn't MAN GOD just click his fingers, like he did when he made stars.
Similarly it could be asked ; Why didn't he just create woman from the dust of the ground and a quick blow up her nostrils as he had the Adam? Why go to the trouble of putting the Adam to sleep, opening him up, removing a rib and stitching him back up?
I suppose if this was to happen today it would be called genetic engineering?
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@Polytheist-Witch
So I believe God experiences all kinds of things like happiness and joy and humor.
Yet displays none of the above in the bible. Unless his joy and happiness and humour comes from murdering innocent women and children and drowning the whole of mankind just to name a few.
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@Stephen
Similarly it could be asked ; Why didn't he just create woman from the dust of the ground and a quick blow up her nostrils as he had the Adam? Why go to the trouble of putting the Adam to sleep, opening him up, removing a rib and stitching him back up?I suppose if this was to happen today it would be called genetic engineering?
I would relate it to another excellent example of resurrection in the OT. A topic I have looked at elsewhere.
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@janesix
Well.....
We do have a standard perceivable model, which sort of demonstrates both energy and matter.
And though potential energy and material potential, is the big issue that continually perplexes us.
We certainly have never reached a standard agreement concerning the existence of something, or the possibility of nothing.
Perhaps we still await a novel answer.
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@Stephen
Why not reply to me? Have you blocked me?
LLOL!