Bakugan Battle Brawlers Mafia DP2

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Hello catching up now.
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 I understand the frustration from my lack of participation…but  lately Im so tired from working and I need a vacation to get my body back to 100% .. my concentration level is currently on zero. Been following here and there

This is my role.

Evil- Darkus Alpha Hydranoid- You are Alice’s guardian Bakugan. After Masquerade leaves Alice’s body, you become greatly attached to Alice spending much of your time on earth accompanying her. When the heroes join to fight your former boss Naga, you invest all of your remaining strength to help Drago kill Naga. You are the 2x Strengthener. Twice in the game you may embolster a player so that their ability will through any role that normally may have prevented it from going through, other than night kills.

You win with the town.

I’m currently catching up with all the happenings of this DP


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Greyparrot- Pyrus Fortress- Ascetic
Drlebronski- Ventus Monarus- 2x Bodyguard (Np1 target wylted)
Wylted- ??? - Watcher- (NP1 Watched Lunatic)
Whiteflame- Haos Saurus- ???
Polygot- ???- Redirector (NP1 Redirected wylted to drleb)
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I will say I am not entirely opposed prima facie to a dr leb lynch because my role makes me slightly suspicious of his claim. I do not want to go into detail about this though, because the argument is pretty weak and we were proven wrong about it in a recent game, but still it irks me at the back of my mind. 

As far as the rest of the actions go, I feel pretty good that based on the interactions wylted is probably town. Whiteflame looks good here too, and if poly is actually a redirector it proves at least the dr leb didn't carry out the night kill I think. Though I still dont really get the redirect, in fact if I didn't know what any roles were and I was a town redirector I might have just forfeited that one. So not sure what to really think of that whole mess yet. 

Still would like to hear from evil. His inactivity is pretty concerning. 
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@Evilgenius
Did you use your ability last night? If so who did you use it on and why?
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thats strange why is there a double space after


Evil- Darkus Alpha Hydranoid- You are Alice’s guardian Bakugan. After Masquerade leaves Alice’s body, you become greatly attached to Alice spending much of your time on earth accompanying her. When the heroes join to fight your former boss Naga, you invest all of your remaining strength to help Drago kill Naga. You are the 2x Strengthener. Twice in the game you may embolster a player so that their ability will through any role that normally may have prevented it from going through, other than night kills.

did you have to delete something?
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Greyparrot- Pyrus Fortress- Ascetic
Drlebronski- Ventus Monarus- 2x Bodyguard (Np1 target wylted)
Wylted- ??? - Watcher- (NP1 Watched Lunatic)
Whiteflame- Haos Saurus- ???
Polygot- ???- Redirector (NP1 Redirected wylted to drleb)
Evilgenius- Darkus Alpha Hydranoid- 2x Strengthener
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My gut says luna or WF is scum.
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@drlebronski
 i got the "I win with the town" message separately from my role pm
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@Evilgenius
 I understand the frustration from my lack of participation…but  lately Im so tired from working and I need a vacation to get my body back to 100% .. my concentration level is currently on zero. Been following here and there
I'd understand this better if you hadn't posted on the first page of this DP saying that you would catch up, recognizing that you were a target, and then not posting anything for over 24 hours despite being on multiple times within that span. If you are town, dude, this is the kind of thing you really shouldn't do if you want other people to trust that you are town. It's likely to get you lynched in this game because we have more reason to believe that your role is just something you and your scum partner came up with during that period.

I get that real life comes first and there have been times when I have had no energy for this either, but especially considering how we've sussed you in the last several games based on behavior, this should be the kind of thing you avoid doing.

I’m currently catching up with all the happenings of this DP
Cool. Be interested to get your thoughts on Bron.

This is my role.

Evil- Darkus Alpha Hydranoid- You are Alice’s guardian Bakugan. After Masquerade leaves Alice’s body, you become greatly attached to Alice spending much of your time on earth accompanying her. When the heroes join to fight your former boss Naga, you invest all of your remaining strength to help Drago kill Naga. You are the 2x Strengthener. Twice in the game you may embolster a player so that their ability will through any role that normally may have prevented it from going through, other than night kills.

You win with the town.
Given that Wylted was RB'd or otherwise prevented from using his role, I think we should be assuming that, aside from Grey's Ascetic, there is at least one other role that is able to stop the usage of a role in this game. Whether that's a straight up RB or something that prevents actions against the individual (if Evil is to be believed, I'd say it's the former, mainly because I don't think a Strengthener would be in a game just because there are two players with defensive roles that prevent actions against them), there are at least two. That lends some credence to this role existing in the game, though it's impossible to confirm. Which, once again, means we're stuck with behavioral reads on you.

Who did you target during the first NP and why?

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"I win with the town"
Did you copy and paste that directly from your pm?
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@Polyglot
Did you character claim? Can you please copy paste your role since it is apparently not against the rules to do so. I would like to see the description and role link since you alreadt role claimed.
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I will say I am not entirely opposed prima facie to a dr leb lynch because my role makes me slightly suspicious of his claim. I do not want to go into detail about this though, because the argument is pretty weak and we were proven wrong about it in a recent game, but still it irks me at the back of my mind. 
I think there's more than enough reason to lynch Bron based on what we know so far, though I also recognize that much of it could be circumstantial. He claims to have visited Wylted during the last NP, and Wylted got RB'd in that same NP. It could be that we just have another person who did it, but the simpler answer is that he did it himself.

As far as the rest of the actions go, I feel pretty good that based on the interactions wylted is probably town. Whiteflame looks good here too, and if poly is actually a redirector it proves at least the dr leb didn't carry out the night kill I think. Though I still dont really get the redirect, in fact if I didn't know what any roles were and I was a town redirector I might have just forfeited that one. So not sure what to really think of that whole mess yet. 
It's still possible that Bron carried out the NK. All the Redirect tells us is that Wylted had his target changed. It doesn't tell us anything about Bron's target, since the Redirect wasn't directed at him.



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@Evilgenius
 i got the "I win with the town" message separately from my role pm
First thing you've said that makes me townread you, but you should have led with this because now I'm wondering if you actually received it late or if you're including it here because I already said I townread Poly for saying he got his late.

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I targeted you Luna because i thought you would have a good role and seemed town.
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@whiteflame
I think there's more than enough reason to lynch Bron based on what we know so far, though I also recognize that much of it could be circumstantial. He claims to have visited Wylted during the last NP, and Wylted got RB'd in that same NP. It could be that we just have another person who did it, but the simpler answer is that he did it himself.
I agree for the most part but I would have to wonder why he would even claim visiting him if that were the case. But the simple answer to that could be what I was theorizing earlier; Noob scum team.

It's still possible that Bron carried out the NK. All the Redirect tells us is that Wylted had his target changed. It doesn't tell us anything about Bron's target, since the Redirect wasn't directed at him.
Sorry that is right, I got bus driver mixed up with redirector since they function similarly. I always get those two confused. 

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I targeted you Luna because i thought you would have a good role and seemed town.
Alright... Ugh.. Don't target me again please. I won't tell you who to target here, but please look at the claims list carefully and make the right decision.
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I feel like im missing something obvious and its right in front of my face. I had a fleeting thought and lost it. 
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@Evilgenius
...............

"I win with the town"
Did you copy and paste that directly from your pm?

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Wondering if we should get the rest of the characters out and try to determine a theme split. It obviously isn't good vs evil or something like that. Supas character seems evil and was also mentioned in evilgeniuses pm.

I do remember pie has some pretty complex theme splits though. And I know nothing of this theme so that might make it harder as I'd have to rely on the wiki but I feel like wiki don't give full context a lot.
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@Lunatic
I feel like im missing something obvious and its right in front of my face. I had a fleeting thought and lost it. 
I feel like I am, too. Been bugging me all day.

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What do you think of evil genius? I am torn a bit. I looked up his character and it seems pretty accurate. If two noobs put that together I would be impressed but then we go back to the dp1 point with Grey and how mafia could have been provided a full fake claim with a description since pie gave scum one in the last game.

His inactivity doesn't help but it is also kind of consistent with his past games. 
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I'm just extremely hesitant with him regardless of behavior. I've been convinced that he was scum before and been proven wrong, so I'm honestly just completely unsure at this point. From anyone else, this behavior would be enough to get them lynched. From him... even with the lower involvement (and I'd say this is his lowest yet) and the fact that he posted yesterday that he knew we were actively VTLing him, I can't say that it's obvious. I still don't know how he'd behave as scum, but if this is it, then I'm having a hell of a time reading it cleanly.

The problem at this point is POE. We're running down the list, and right now, Wylted and Poly are the most townread people in this game. I townread you based on behavior and GP based on his attempt to get himself modkilled, plus the absence of the wincon in his post. That just leaves Bron and Evil, neither of whom I'm townreading. At best, Evil's null to me. It's at the point where I'm actively reconsidering my view on GP's claim and scrutinizing your posts just so that I can get someone else in there because I'm that uncertain about Evil.
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Hey bron, I was responding to you and trying to tell you that I got that message separately from my role pm 
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@Evilgenius
dude i know you've seen my post


"I win with the town"
Did you copy and paste that directly from your pm?
Just answer did you copy "I win with the town" from your PM or did you write it out yourself?

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not asking that
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its regarding this post 

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I'm just extremely hesitant with him regardless of behavior. I've been convinced that he was scum before and been proven wrong, so I'm honestly just completely unsure at this point. From anyone else, this behavior would be enough to get them lynched. From him... even with the lower involvement (and I'd say this is his lowest yet) and the fact that he posted yesterday that he knew we were actively VTLing him, I can't say that it's obvious. I still don't know how he'd behave as scum, but if this is it, then I'm having a hell of a time reading it cleanly.

The problem at this point is POE. We're running down the list, and right now, Wylted and Poly are the most townread people in this game. I townread you based on behavior and GP based on his attempt to get himself modkilled, plus the absence of the wincon in his post. That just leaves Bron and Evil, neither of whom I'm townreading. At best, Evil's null to me. It's at the point where I'm actively reconsidering my view on GP's claim and scrutinizing your posts just so that I can get someone else in there because I'm that uncertain about Evil.
I agree with most of this, with the exception of poly being the most town read. I don't see how he is really confirmed here yet. His action doesn't make a lot of sense, I don't see why wylted would have ever been targeted np1 for the kill, and wylted being roleblocked doesn't help us confirm the redirect. Not to mention redirect isn't normally a town role, it's a mafia role designed to cause chaos. As town the logical move is to forfeit in in almost every scenario, or maybe to use it to prove your role on a less effective town role. 

The only thing that makes me kind of doubt him as scum was that I wasn't targeted last night after scum reading him, but there is still any amount of reasons why they targeted oro,  those reasons may just not be clear to me at this time. 
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Can we get your characters so we can do theme analysis? I'll provide mine since I am asking of course.

I am Subterra Clayf.