Bakugan Battle Brawlers Mafia DP2

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Greyparrot- Pyrus Fortress- Ascetic
Drlebronski- Ventus Monarus- 2x Bodyguard (Np1 target wylted)
Wylted- ??? - Watcher- (NP1 Watched Lunatic)
Whiteflame- Haos Saurus- ???
Polygot- ???- Redirector (NP1 Redirected wylted to drleb)
Evilgenius- Darkus Alpha Hydranoid- 2x Strengthener
Lunatic- Subterra Clayf
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I used to have a watcher role so dr lebronsky does make town over powered. 
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Greyparrot- Pyrus Fortress- Ascetic
Drlebronski- Ventus Monarus- 2x Bodyguard (Np1 target wylted)
Wylted- Aquos Preya - Watcher- (NP1 Watched Lunatic)
Whiteflame- Haos Saurus- ???
Polygot- ???- Redirector (NP1 Redirected wylted to drleb)
Evilgenius- Darkus Alpha Hydranoid- 2x Strengthener
Lunatic- Subterra Clayf

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I agree with most of this, with the exception of poly being the most town read. I don't see how he is really confirmed here yet.
I wouldn't say that he's absolute yet, but aside from Wylted, I'd say he's the most likely to be town.

His action doesn't make a lot of sense, I don't see why wylted would have ever been targeted np1 for the kill, and wylted being roleblocked doesn't help us confirm the redirect... As town the logical move is to forfeit in in almost every scenario, or maybe to use it to prove your role on a less effective town role. 
I'd agree that it probably wasn't the best idea for him to use his Redirector, given the lack of information he had. I'd also agree that Wylted being RB'd makes it impossible to confirm that this happened, though it would likely be difficult to discern even if the Watcher went through. That being said, I can understand why he targeted these two. The aim wasn't to prevent an NK against Wylted, it was to Redirect whatever Wylted did (he thought it might be an NK) to Bron. 

Not to mention redirect isn't normally a town role, it's a mafia role designed to cause chaos.
Wouldn't be the first time I've seen a Redirector on town, and wouldn't be too surprised if Pie had included one. That being said, if this is a Bron/Poly team, I don't see Poly coming up with a tactic of either fake claiming Redirector (pretty ballsy) or just giving away his role (even more ballsy). I guess this could be a fake claim given to him by Pie, but I find the amount that he's going through to explain why he did it doesn't fit with what I've seen Poly do as scum.

The only thing that makes me kind of doubt him as scum was that I wasn't targeted last night after scum reading him, but there is still any amount of reasons why they targeted oro,  those reasons may just not be clear to me at this time. 
Yeah, that decision was odd for a lot of reasons. I think Poly would have been more likely to target you if he was scum, but he's not the only one in play, and that's a lot of WIFOM, so I won't dig into it.


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Wouldn't be the first time I've seen a Redirector on town, and wouldn't be too surprised if Pie had included one. That being said, if this is a Bron/Poly team, I don't see Poly coming up with a tactic of either fake claiming Redirector (pretty ballsy) or just giving away his role (even more ballsy). I guess this could be a fake claim given to him by Pie, but I find the amount that he's going through to explain why he did it doesn't fit with what I've seen Poly do as scum.
Why don't you see poly doing that? I mean scum roles can be town roles, it happens all the time. But I can see how rather than trying to come up with a fake claim and be potentially counter claimed someone like poly might just use their real role since it is technically verifiable. The only time poly has been scum to my knowledge was the game he played with me, and he wasn't particularly active and trying to mastermind plans or anything. While he is technically a vet, I think I would still put him among the lower eschalon of current players (no offense to him of course, I am basing that mostly on the effort he puts in the game). 
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I used to have a watcher role so dr lebronsky does make town over powered. 
Alright, this is frustrating me like crazy. Wylted, could you just ask Pie if you still have the Watcher role or not?

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Why don't you see poly doing that? I mean scum roles can be town roles, it happens all the time. But I can see how rather than trying to come up with a fake claim and be potentially counter claimed someone like poly might just use their real role since it is technically verifiable. The only time poly has been scum to my knowledge was the game he played with me, and he wasn't particularly active and trying to mastermind plans or anything. While he is technically a vet, I think I would still put him among the lower eschalon of current players (no offense to him of course, I am basing that mostly on the effort he puts in the game). 
I guess you could call it a hunch based on what I've seen him do before. If we're assuming that scum got full claims with associated justifications, I guess I could see him just being lazy and full-claiming the whole thing. Here's what's bugging me about it, though: he was under the misapprehension from early on, even after Wylted said that his role failed, that Wylted had Watched Bron. As scum, you would think that he'd know that Wylted was RB'd and just acknowledge that the attempt to use the role failed. I have a hard time believing that he would keep pushing the narrative that it went through and Wylted just didn't understand the response he got from Pie.
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Alright, this is frustrating me like crazy. Wylted, could you just ask Pie if you still have the Watcher role or not?

I do not. I don't know if one of the 3 or r people who visited me have a hidden mechanic or what. This is not a trick, you won't see me coming back with watcher results next dp or anything like that. The watcher role is gone. 
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I do not. I don't know if one of the 3 or r people who visited me have a hidden mechanic or what. This is not a trick, you won't see me coming back with watcher results next dp or anything like that. The watcher role is gone. 
I have no clue what that would be, but fine. I don't know what reason you would have to lie.
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I guess you could call it a hunch based on what I've seen him do before. If we're assuming that scum got full claims with associated justifications, I guess I could see him just being lazy and full-claiming the whole thing.
I wouldn't say we should assume that scum did or didn't just that we shouldn't discount that they might have. I will say pie letting us C/P role pm's seems to aid the idea that maybe scum did though. 

Here's what's bugging me about it, though: he was under the misapprehension from early on, even after Wylted said that his role failed, that Wylted had Watched Bron. As scum, you would think that he'd know that Wylted was RB'd and just acknowledge that the attempt to use the role failed. I have a hard time believing that he would keep pushing the narrative that it went through and Wylted just didn't understand the response he got from Pie.
I mean if he roleblocked him and knew he was roleblocked he could knowingly say he used his action however he wants since there is no way for the action to be proven or disproven. Wylted claimed he was a watcher in post 27 before poly even claimed redirector in post 56
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how would lynching you help town?
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I mean if he roleblocked him and knew he was roleblocked he could knowingly say he used his action however he wants since there is no way for the action to be proven or disproven. Wylted claimed he was a watcher in post 27 before poly even claimed redirector in post 56
I mean, it's entirely possible that he was the one who RB'd Wylted, since he claimed that he targeted him and, given the Watcher role, was aware that it was possible for him to be tracked. However, that would move away from the explanation that he just straight up claimed the scum role he was given. What's bugging me isn't so much the timing of his post, though I can see how that's odd, but rather that he spent so long under the impression that Wylted's Watcher had gone through. Maybe this is a somewhat subtle play to make him look like he didn't know what was going on, but I don't see a scum Poly being as effective at deception.
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Just so we don't keep digging down into this, I'll just say that I'm willing to consider him in future lynches. I don't think I would do so for this DP, but I think a lynch on Bron would be telling.
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Just so we don't keep digging down into this, I'll just say that I'm willing to consider him in future lynches. I don't think I would do so for this DP, but I think a lynch on Bron would be telling.
That's fine with me, all I am disputing is that he is ultra town confirmed, since I saw that said. My working theory is two noobs still. 
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vtl drleb
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VTL Bron
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just get it over with

vtl meee
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just get it over with

vtl meee

You admitting you're scum?
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VtL bron
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Drlebronski was lynched. He was…INNOCENT

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