Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 2

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If it's Disc or Pie or don't really have a strong conviction either way.   Based on characters, Mewtwo still seems scummier than Charizard.  However, I don't know Pokémon.  Lunatic was convinced Charizard was the scummier claim. 
Lunatic also has an ego complex against me. His mass claim put us into this position in the first place.

Whiteflame seems to feel the same way. 
Don’t really know where he stands at the moment.

I think Supa has a pretty good gut when it comes to Pie.  I don't have a strong argument here, I am more trusting Whiteflame & Supa's convictions.  
Supa has horrible reasoning if you read his post. He thinks the game is broken if I exist and a Vigilante doesn’t.

Supa’s gut hasn’t been right about me in a while either
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I want to hear your full reasoning before we potentially hammer Pie. Not liking the reasoning from Earth, though I think Oro makes good points.

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Also, y’all realize that I was practically the last one to character claim right? Why would I choose Charizard over Voltorb if Voltorb fits better? 
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Post 257 explains my reasons for voting Disc.


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Like I said to Earth, Voltorb would be an obvious fake claim. They’re all interchangeable within the series, have no personality, and aren’t one of the Pokémon any of the leads has. Charizard is much more likely to be in the game, but could still be fake.
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Is disc a viable target still or do I need to lynch pie to end the dp?
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The Disc lynch is still on the table. I’d like to see someone other than Pie and Evil support it, but I’ve been on Pie because I feel the reasoning there is slightly stronger. Asked you a bit ago why you voted Disc, would appreciate an answer.
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Is disc a viable target still or do I need to lynch pie to end the dp?
Disc is still viable. I just have to convince Whiteflame and once Whiteflame flips, Oro. 

The reasoning Supa and Earth have put, you have to admit are horrible compared to the reasoning I’ve put out there. I’m like 90% sure this game is solved based on Disc’s flip.

If Disc flips scum, the last scum is in Evil, Oro, Whiteflame, likely Evil because Mewtwo and Gary were both evil

If Disc flips town then POE is rather simple. You can confirm yourself DP4 cause we No Lynch DP3 cause MYLO. I’m somewhat confirmed cause Pokemon can exist. Supa is town. Earth is town cause protective role. This leaves Oro, WF, Evil with 2/3 being scum. In this scenario an Oro/WF or WF/Evil scenario is most likely. Either way we lynch WF
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The Disc lynch is still on the table. I’d like to see someone other than Pie and Evil support it, but I’ve been on Pie because I feel the reasoning there is slightly stronger. Asked you a bit ago why you voted Disc, would appreciate an answer.
What reasoning do they have? Their reasoning is extremely weak compared to my own.
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This is clearly WIFOM. 

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This is clearly WIFOM. 
What’s WIFOM?


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@Earth
…What Pie said. I have no idea what you’re referencing.

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The Disc lynch is still on the table. I’d like to see someone other than Pie and Evil support it, but I’ve been on Pie because I feel the reasoning there is slightly stronger. Asked you a bit ago why you voted Disc, would appreciate an answer.
It's a gut feeling on him
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@whiteflame
Pie repeatedly said that he wouldn't have claimed Charzard if he's mafia because Voltorb would be better. That is WIFOM.
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@Wylted
Can you elaborate? I’ve had gut feelings lead me right, but they tend to come from somewhere applicable, even if it’s not clear. I’m going to be in flight for the next hour or so, but I’ll be scrolling back through this DP and the last to see whether I still prefer Pie.
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@Earth
So is stating that he wouldn’t choose Voltorb because he’s too unknown of a character, as I said he might. So is stating that Voltorb makes more sense for the role on the basis that it explodes, making Charizard a more obvious fake claim, as you have argued. We’re all considering what played into the decision and determining whether Poly would have built this into the game or Pie’s using it as a fake claim.
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Would a Mafia!Pie fakeclaim Charzard?
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@Earth
Pie repeatedly said that he wouldn't have claimed Charzard if he's mafia because Voltorb would be better. That is WIFOM.
But what’s the reasoning behind it? If you wanna claim WIFOM there’s has to be an outlasting reason why I would claim Charizard?

With no other explanation it’s quite obvious I claimed that because Poly gave me the character Charizard and role Bomb


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Would a Mafia!Pie fakeclaim Charzard?
The correct question is why would mafia Pie fake claim Charizard over Voltorb.

Either way you have completely disregarded Disc’s character who isn’t even in the show, rather the movie. You’ve also disregarded that fact that Gary Oak would be a far better Miller claim than MewTwo.

If you think I’m scum, then you have to admit that Disc is scum as well just because of the Pokémon claims themselves. Our lynches are equal in this statement but there’s one thing that elevates me - my claim. Miller vs Bomb.
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That bomb claim is suspect and lunatic did want to vote pie. I guess I will honor lunatic and do what he would have wanted, if he were still alive. Let's lynch pie in honor of our fallen comrade

Unvote VTL Pie
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That bomb claim is suspect and lunatic did want to vote pie. I guess I will honor lunatic and do what he would have wanted, if he were still alive. Let's lynch pie in honor of our fallen comrade

Unvote VTL Pie
Cmon man, a Miller is way more suspect.

Lunatic wanting to vote me is WIFOM with regards to the NK. That’s exactly what mafia want you to do. Kill me. Killing me makes the game so much easier for them. And Luna was just after me cause he wants to the win the ego war we’ve been having for the past few games when I ended him and Poly
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Has town really lost its critical thinking skills today?

*sigh*
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Nah this Disc train is pretty fucking stupid

1. Cop is in this game. It would make sense for there to be a Miller in this game. Works better than a Bomb claim
2. Pie was originally claiming only scum can kill him until I asked about vig
3. Pie was originally hesitant and refused to mass character claim because he hadn't thought of a claim yet

Sorry, I'm not hopping on Disc
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Essentially, I just don't think it makes for this game to have a bomb . We have a 3xcop and a tracter + doc. To have a bomb that kills lethal actions w/o a Vig seems very overpowered
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What do you think of Whiteflame's backdown?
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Nah this Disc train is pretty fucking stupid

1. Cop is in this game. It would make sense for there to be a Miller in this game. Works better than a Bomb claim
This is a square is a rectangle situation. If a Cop exists, a Miller doesn’t have to exist. If a Miller exists, a Cop has to exist. If there is no GF/Framer/Lawyer, which scum know, then it’s a relatively safe claim.

2. Pie was originally claiming only scum can kill him until I asked about vig
I mean I had no reason to believe a Vig or a Gun Giver, or anything similar existed. I’ve said my role is the Bomb and anyone who targets me dies. Now can the Doctor possibly save scum? Idk. I’ll ask Poly.

3. Pie was originally hesitant and refused to mass character claim because he hadn't thought of a claim yet
It wasn’t even my turn to mass claim yet cause popcorn was on Earth. And if I recall you were against claiming too. You’re also ignoring that my partner would’ve already claimed by the time I claimed. This is a weak argument even for you. I’m against mass claiming on principle barring extenuating circumstances. You can look back at any game you want.

Sorry, I'm not hopping on Disc
It’s the optimal lynch but ok. Me and Lunatic burned y’all with a Miller even when a Cop existed. Your choice I guess.
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What do you think of Whiteflame's backdown?
He’s the only one using a brain right now is my opinion on it. The PRO/CON list is significantly better for a Disc lynch than mine


Supa has flawed logic
I don’t even know what Earth is doing
Wylted just wants to follow Luna
You’re following Supa
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Essentially, I just don't think it makes for this game to have a bomb . We have a 3xcop and a tracter + doc. To have a bomb that kills lethal actions w/o a Vig seems very overpowered
It’s a flavored Bomb. So it’s a 50/50 shot that they wouldn’t even know about if we hadn’t been boneheaded to mass claim.

Doctor could save scum (asking Poly about it) 
Enabler makes it weak for Tracker.

We don’t even know if Earth is really a Doctor cause he failed to protect Lunatic. What if he fails to protect you tonight? What’s the balance like without a Doctor?
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What if he fails to protect you tonight?
They might kill me tonight.