Whiteflame's character is odd. The Narrator as a character? That seems a bit suspicious in my opinion since most characters here are actual people or pokemon and not narrators.
Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1
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Logging off for the moment. Going to be at class for most of the day today so won't be on much. Just some morning thoughts
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@Vader
Like I've stated before and countless times, I am anti mass claiming. Giving scum more information to work with is ultimately bad and god for bid Ash is claimed, we may actually lose out on a key role if Ash is presumably town and a PR
Cat's out of the bag at this point, Supa. I understand being anti mass claiming. Hell, we both recognized that all too well when we were a scum team a couple of games back. But almost all of the claims are already on the table. At this point, it's just you and Pie, and Pie already said he'll claim despite his initial intransigence (and a long string of back and forth with Luna that apparently went nowhere). Is this indicative of your refusal to claim despite having everyone else already on board?
Suddenly this game went from a mafia game to a Pie slander. I'm leaning toward toward a Luna lynch at the moment. When he's town, fmpov, he usually critiques people over PM versus creating a post such as this. He also seems to also be going back and forth with Pie, discouraging town from looking into lynches actually versus gut pushing Pie. Needless to say, his vote of Pie for not wanting to claim when I have stated as town that I do not approve mass claiming is somewhat weird, especially in a game where people know the theme and can EASILY make up claims. I also have reasons earlier of why he was in my FOS and his banter with Pie is making me lean more scum.
Luna usually manages to fly under my radar in general, and I've seen this kind of back and forth between him and Pie in games where both are town and where one is scum. I've made the mistake of reading too deeply into these before, and at least for now, I'm not sure that I read this as a reason to behaviorally sus either of them. It's posturing, with each of them wanting to have the last word, which I think is more about ego than anything else.
Whiteflame's character is odd. The Narrator as a character? That seems a bit suspicious in my opinion since most characters here are actual people or pokemon and not narrators.
I thought it was odd as well. He does stand apart, but he is also one of the most consistent elements of the show, and even responds to the characters throughout the show. Also, realize that this isn't the largest cast around. The series ballooned in later seasons, but the central cast is rather small during the Indigo League. If we're assuming that Disc's claim is accurate, Poly also chose to bring in a character from the first movie to fill this out. I think it stands to reason that he's stretching a bit to fill out all the characters and get better linked character/role pairings.
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@whiteflame
I'll wait until I am the last one to claim then.
Fair point with Luna, still have to read into it somehow overall and it reads more of scum and in DP1 as well, I don't think he is a bad lynch choice, especially for my reasons given
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@Vader
I'll wait until I am the last one to claim then.
Any particular reason you're delaying? With you as one of only two claims left, are you hoping you can CC Pie or are you trying to square away a fake claim?
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@whiteflame
Because my character has been mentioned a few times in this thread
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@Vader
Because my character has been mentioned a few times in this thread
By you or by others? And why does that function as a reason not to claim?
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@whiteflame
Others. In fact most people would assume that a certain person would be town by my claim, but I don't buy it
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@Vader
Alright, that's enough for me.
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@Lunatic
What the fuck did you want me to do? Say "My character is totally not Nurse Joy tee hee!"?
So my Zoom class for today is apparently full.
Reading the DP now. Oh and I’m not gonna respond to you Lunatic
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@Earth
I am Nurse Joy.
*sigh*
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@Wylted
Not really. I might be just bad at getting my point across. I have 2 distinct beliefs here.1. Millers should not SOP claim.
I generally disagree
2. People who claim miller on DP1 are probably about 50% to be scum. In this case I think disk is probably about 65% scum
I’d probably agree with you here
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@Wylted
I guess we are mass claiming. I am brock
That makes 6 I believe so I’ll claim as well just like I promised
I am Charizard
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@Vader
Like I've stated before and countless times, I am anti mass claiming. Giving scum more information to work with is ultimately bad and god for bid Ash is claimed, we may actually lose out on a key role if Ash is presumably town and a PR
It’s too late now. Town wants to do a mass claim. I completely disagree with it but I’ll do it to avoid being “that guy.”
Suddenly this game went from a mafia game to a Pie slander. I'm leaning toward toward a Luna lynch at the moment. When he's town, fmpov, he usually critiques people over PM versus creating a post such as this. He also seems to also be going back and forth with Pie, discouraging town from looking into lynches actually versus gut pushing Pie. Needless to say, his vote of Pie for not wanting to claim when I have stated as town that I do not approve mass claiming is somewhat weird, especially in a game where people know the theme and can EASILY make up claims. I also have reasons earlier of why he was in my FOS and his banter with Pie is making me lean more scum.
I think the back and forth is null at this stage in the game. And his vote on me was because he misunderstood my position, which I clarified to him. You can say it was scummy but that’s a bigggg stretch imo.
Claims List
Disc - Mewto - Miller
Bron - Professor Oak - Enabler for Ash
Oro - Misty - ???
Luna - Pikachu - ???
Earth - Nurse Joy - ???
Wylted - Brock - ???
Evil - Gary - ???
Whiteflame - Narrator - ???
Pie - Charizard - ???
Supa - ??? - ???
Supa is the last one left though I think it’s obvious who he is at this point. I’ll wait for him confirm though.
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@ILikePie5
Yep it is . I'm the man, the myth, the legend, Ash.
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@ILikePie5
I'd have to reread when I'm back at dorm but right now gut is telling me Luna is scum but have to reread
Claims List
Disc - Mewto - Miller
Bron - Professor Oak - Enabler for Ash
Oro - Misty - ???
Luna - Pikachu - ???
Earth - Nurse Joy - ???
Wylted - Brock - ???
Evil - Gary - ???
Whiteflame - Narrator - ???
Pie - Charizard - ???
Supa - Ash - ???
Let me make it clear that I don't necessarily buy the Enabler claim despite it relating to me. Ash is the MC and will be in the game. It could be a good fake claim to use and I used it in my game. I'm still sus of Lebonski
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@Vader
Let me make it clear that I don't necessarily buy the Enabler claim despite it relating to me. Ash is the MC and will be in the game. It could be a good fake claim to use and I used it in my game. I'm still sus of Lebonski
Problem is that Bron could conceivably be a town enabler and you a scum power role if Poly wanted to. It sort of balances out the negative utility of an Enabler by connecting him to a scum role.
At the same time tho, in a 10 player game, if there are 2 scum it doesn’t really fit. 3 scum I could really see it happening because it can weaken scum by forcing a townie to be alive
It’s also conceivable that Bron is a scum enabler for a scum Supa making the 3rd scum relatively weak in terms of utility if a third scum exists
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Wylted
@whiteflame
@oromagi
Thoughts on 261-262
Luna usually manages to fly under my radar in general, and I've seen this kind of back and forth between him and Pie in games where both are town and where one is scum
Usually these sorts of fights are scum or null tells. Players often use them to fake like they are active, but also some people just enjoy engaging in those discussions
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@Earth
What the fuck did you want me to do? Say "My character is totally not Nurse Joy tee hee!"?
Just say you are charmander or some shit
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@ILikePie5
Disc - Mewto - MillerBron - Professor Oak - Enabler for AshOro - Misty - ???Luna - Pikachu - ???Earth - Nurse Joy - ???Wylted - Brock - ???Evil - Gary - ???Whiteflame - Narrator - ???Pie - Charizard - ???Supa - Ash - ???
Given these claims, I think we can start considering theme splits. We know that there's at least one fake claim in here to cover for Officer Jenny, though I won't speculate on which one I believe that is. It's also plausible that scum has fake claims, hence the absence of any Team Rocket members. Still, if we're working off of these being actual characters in this game, there are some plausible theme splits.
Both Gary and Mewtwo stand out as antagonists for the majority of the story in this arc. Gary is more of a nuisance, but Mewtwo did a lot more damage, albeit some of that was accidental. The Miller claim for Mewtwo makes more sense the more I think about it, given how the movie ended, but it would also make sense for him to just straight up be scum.
We also have only two of Ash's Pokémon, namely Charizard and Pikachu. Those both seem like obvious choices, but they stand out from Mewtwo in that they aren't independent characters and neither can speak. These are minor differences, but they could be seen as relatively safe fake claims, given just how many Pokémon options there were, or a possible split in their own right.
Those are the two I'm considering right now based on this list. Still think it's more likely that we have two Team Rocket scum, but I've been burned before by assuming a straightforward split.
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@ILikePie5
At the same time tho, in a 10 player game, if there are 2 scum it doesn’t really fit. 3 scum I could really see it happening because it can weaken scum by forcing a townie to be alive
If 3 scum, then a pretty obvious division is Pokémon vs humans.
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@whiteflame
given how the movie ended
I though Indigo League was the first season of the TV show?
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@ILikePie5
It would be a first for me to see a town Enabler enabling scum, and while it's possible that there are 3 scum (with Bron enabling one), I believe it's more likely that there are 2, though that would be an intriguing idea for a game setup. I'd be more inclined to believe that this is a fake claim than either of these possibilities. Wouldn't be too surprised since we just dealt with an Enabler two games ago.
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@oromagi
I though Indigo League was the first season of the TV show?
It is, but Mewtwo wouldn't be in this game solely encompassed the first season. I think the idea is that the first movie took place during the events of the first season.