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Pie's behaior in post 113 is another thing I pointed out last day phase:


He's so hell bent on having the last word, it's like he thinks that by being the last person in a text chain for the night it by proxy makes him right. But really he's only talking to one person, most people aren't reading back and forths like this. It's why I have tried to make posts that are more open ended and directed towards everyone in the middle of the back and forths, because as town, we are all apart of the conversation. Pie doing this in wylted's game is one thing, since he wasn't scum reading me but appealing to my scum read of him. In this scenario where he directly scum reads me, losing sleep to do a back and forth is pure posturing. 
If anything I’m consistent because I believe that if you keep repeating lies and negativity over and over and over again, a person is bound to believe. Literally what happened to Trump as I’ve been saying for a while now.
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I have. I’ve said he’d be scum in situations.
No, Pie said he would lynch him if disc was scum. This literally means nothing, since we now know disc was town, so if pie was scum he would already know this and was just giving himself an excuse to not vote whiteflame in the following phase.

 I’ve said constantly Poly is 100% scum and then it’d be 50/50 between you and WF if I live during which I’d have to do more analysis.
How could pie know that poly is 100% scum just becausehe doesn't believe in a claim? Also saying that me and whiteflame have 50/50 scum between us makes no sense and he follows it up with no reasoning whatsoever. 

There is no “projecting” and no “scum-slip.” Either way it’s for Wylted to decide.
Yet he is willing to lose sleep so he can debate with me all night. 

That’s not what I mean. You both scumread me. Sure that’s fine. What’s the future? Who’s the second scum? No discussion. I’ve been doing for quite a while now with Wylted.
I called the scum teams being pie/whiteflame or speed/disc last phase. I was already leaning that way based on pie's mislynch attempt.
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I know you Luna. You pride yourself in being able to talk your way out. I have 100% faith that Wylted will believe me because your “scum slip” doesn’t even make any sense.

And I’m not just gonna let you filibuster and spread propaganda the entire time like CNN does. 
Wylted is a big boi. I am not overly worried about having the last word like you are. I figured the ship had sailed on this game the second he got his guilty result. The fact that he didn't insta vote me and give scum the win here is more than I would have expected. 
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If Luna spams the thread with responses at least give me the chance to respond before voting.
Relax, go to sleep if you need to sleep. It's a game and not worth losing sleep over. I am an late nighter, you are an early morninger. You will have nothing but free uncontested time to try and sway wylted while I will likely be asleep until noon or later, MST.  
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If anything I’m consistent because I believe that if you keep repeating lies and negativity over and over and over again, a person is bound to believe. Literally what happened to Trump as I’ve been saying for a while now.
No lie has been said, you literally factored in a passive mafia role into your analysis. That is not a lie or a mis-representation, and the evidence is there for wylted to see it for himself. And God almighty don't bring trump into this, I know you are a fanboy which is cringe but I don't wanna get into that bullshit lol 
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And I’m not just gonna let you filibuster and spread propaganda the entire time like CNN does. 
Don't mimic those retarded democrats who say shit like faux news. I only accuse people of watching CNN, if they seem incapablenof any original thought, like oromagi.
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I am ready to vote, but would like to hear from whiteflame first. I think we need to be just as careful next dp with votes as we are here. 
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Alright, big analysis post incoming.


Anyone else see the palpable hypocrisy in so much of what Luna's been saying this DP? He's scum-reading Pie for talking about likely scenarios that could exist with scum in this game, which Luna did several times over the last few DPs, and he says he's not worried about having the last word, then posts 4 times after Pie's last post. Even he has to know that, at this point, this looks desperate.

The question for Wylted to answer, though, is whether that desperation stems from him trying to win this game for town or for scum. You know my answer, but I think it's important to lay out the case.

To start, I'll remind you that it's pretty damn clear at this point that the scum team must break down to one of two pairings:

Luna and Poly
Pie and me

So all this discussion of whether Luna or Pie are scum is really only half of the picture. If Poly is scum, so is Luna. If I'm scum, so is Pie. Luna himself agreed to this framing.

I think the case against Poly is as clear as it is for anyone remaining. I thought his claim was scummy when I first read it. So did Pie. So did Wylted. The Beloved Princess claim seems tailor-made to avoid getting lynched (that's why it's a popular scum fake claim), and it certainly achieved that purpose. The fact that he decided not to claim for as long as he did isn't actually what set me off, but rather that he posted several times after three things happened:

Wylted posted calling for his claim
Disc and I claimed
Poly was pressured

Not once, in any of the 3 posts that Poly made after these events, did Poly acknowledge that any of these 3 things had happened. Instead, several hours later, he just posts his claim outright after receiving a second vote. Luna later argued that he only felt the need to claim under pressure, but considering that the pressure only changed by a single vote and he wasn't at L-1, I find it hard to believe that Wylted's vote on him was somehow the catalyst for his claim. I'll also note that Poly has absolutely posted the least across all the DPs up to this point. That wouldn't stand by itself as a reason to sus him, but in combination with his lack of responsiveness in DP3, a near-complete lack of reads until DP3, and an obvious lack of analysis in this DP (some of which is clearly just clearly not thinking - Speed was obviously killed because he would have been the only absolutely town-confirmed player after Disc's flip, not because scum wanted to keep Wylted alive for some reason) make him look pretty obviously sus to me.

As for Luna, I think the best case against him is still the lack of interaction with Poly. Poly tagged Luna a grand total of one time across all the DPs, and that was to lightly sus Disc in DP2. He's mentioned Luna in all of two posts, one where he gave his full reads, and one during this DP when it would be most glaring for him not to show some interest in Luna. And, of course, he did it in his first post, using the opportunity to defend Luna. Seems pretty odd that the most high-profile interactions between these two (Luna's derailing of the lynch DP3 and this statement by Poly, which is the only defensive statement I've seen him make of anyone apart from himself in any of the DPs this game) have been with the aim of preventing a lynch on the other. Luna can say what he wants about my and Pie's interactions, but at least they're varied and involve some statements of uncertainty about one another. I can't find anything in this game that either Luna or Poly have said about each other that gives any indication that they would consider the other potential scum.

Luna's been exceptionally good at keeping himself under the radar, and I've fallen for it over much of this game, but one thing that always stood out to me is that he's somehow still alive. I can think of one game where he survived this far in, and that was the Mime Mafia game from several months back. Not only was his behavior in that game significantly different and far more incisive with everyone, including his null reads, but the dynamics of that game were so different that I could buy him surviving that late. Luna leads lynches and he's good at it. Scum would know that. Scum would have eliminated him as soon as possible. It's one thing to look at examples like Oro and Speed being NK'd, but was anyone else surprised that MC was the NK during NP2? Just the fact that Luna has been alive as long as he has in this game should make him suspicious, but the fact that he's clearly buddying Wylted hard this DP while Pie has been actively just trying to address Luna's points should give him away just as well.
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As for me, there's just not a lot to say. I've claimed vanilla, despite knowing what most of the roles were before my claim. If I wanted a PR, I had more than enough options, and I easily could have waited to get others before I gave mine. It would have been a lot easier for me to buy into the role madness supposition. That's also my MO as scum - feel free to look back at any of the games I've been scum and you'll see I don't have the best track record for fake claims, but they've all been PRs. This would be an extremely strange game for me to flip the script.

More importantly, like with Poly and Luna, it's not just about me. I've second-guessed my views on Pie multiple times in this game, but none of what he's done here is out of the ordinary for his normal town play, and he's sussed both Poly and me at various points throughout the previous DPs. Maybe you think this is just good bussing on his part, throwing some shade at his scum partner to make himself look clean, but I'd say that's far less of a tell than basically leaving your likely partner alone throughout 3 previous DPs aside from giving them cover from claims made against them.
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I will also say that how I've seen people explain the results of these night actions just doesn't make sense. There's clearly some kind of role block in play, but we have no reason to believe there is a Framer or Redirector. All of Wylted's previous results have been correct, but things suddenly change in NP3? What a coincidence! I don't know why they decided not to RB you, Wylted, but you should trust your results.

I'll leave off here. I've got more than enough to handle at work, and I can't take more time away from it to dredge through more examples or make more points. This is the strongest case I have, and at this point, it's not up to me. At this point, Wylted, you know that your vote is the only one that really matters. Whoever you vote against will be the lynch. So I'll leave it to you.
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@whiteflame
I think poly is the best lynch. Lunatic is the easy lynch, we might as well get the toughest one out of the way today though

VtL poly
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I am ready to end the game or dp. Poly lynch it is
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@whiteflame
not roleblocking me makes sense. Probably a joat role. But poly is probably lunatics partner. 
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@whiteflame
All of Wylted's previous results have been correct, but things suddenly change in NP3? What a coincidence! I don't know why they decided not to RB you, Wylted, but you should trust your results.
Wylted was only right about Speedrace and then was roleblocked and we are not even sure if the investigation on Lunatic is correct or not. So how can we certainly trust Wylted’s investigation when it has only given us one good result. 
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@Wylted
VTL Poly

You won't regret this.
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@ILikePie5
Gonna need you on for this one.
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@Polyglot
poly if you are town you better make a very good case for another scum team that doesn't involve you, and quickly
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@Polyglot
Wylted was only right about Speedrace and then was roleblocked and we are not even sure if the investigation on Lunatic is correct or not. So how can we certainly trust Wylted’s investigation when it has only given us one good result. 
It's a whole lot more likely that he got the correct result than that there's a sudden Framer or Redirector play in this game that we've never seen before. If either you or Luna have one of those roles, you would have used it before now. I'll also note that Luna just coincidentally happened to target you with his supposed Tracker and found that you didn't move. If we assume that he was telling the truth (we shouldn't), how could we be sure that that result was trustworthy? A Redirector applies to Trackers as well as it does to Cops. I should know.
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@Wylted
You can unvote and give me time to review the day phases and come up with an argument before Pie Hammers. We still have time to each give a case
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@Polyglot
Why do you think pie would be hammering and not lunatic?
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Gonna need you on for this one.
Because of this right here
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Fair enough 
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VTL Poly

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If you’re scum it’s gg not much I can do
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@Wylted
I'd say it's been pretty clear since before that long exchange between Luna and Pie that they knew their fortunes were aligned with Poly and me, respectively.
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@ILikePie5
If you’re scum it’s gg not much I can do
Yup, that's the one thing I've had to eliminate as an option to make this simple. If Wylted is scum, then he deserves to win this.

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@Wylted
Don't mimic those retarded democrats who say shit like faux news. I only accuse people of watching CNN, if they seem incapablenof any original thought, like oromagi.
I’m accusing Lunatic of being the Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon of DART. Very different lol
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Looks like mafia win this one then

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@Lunatic
Looks like mafia win this one then
I’m not scum. Why don’t you confess now you ruthless murderer.

If I was scum I’d be on a victory lap rn lol
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Looks like mafia win this one then
...Seriously doubt that.