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The key thing I notice after my first half-read/half-skim is that there are zero conversations between Poly and Lunatic. 

The closest thing is the derailment of the Poly wagon last DP. But I don’t think they’ve pinged each other once which is really really odd.
It's rather late on my end and I have to get some sleep, so I can't post my full thoughts until tomorrow, but I've been through enough of the past few DPs to notice that, yes, you are correct that they have no direct interactions. That stands out to me as well.
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The key thing I notice after my first half-read/half-skim is that there are zero conversations between Poly and Lunatic. 

The closest thing is the derailment of the Poly wagon last DP. But I don’t think they’ve pinged each other once which is really really odd.

Ironically I was going to point the same thing out about pie and whiteflame. Other than pie responding to whiteflames post 190 there's barely been any interaction. And there's more of a reason for them to be interacting based on pie's pushes on players largely due to balance speculization, where whiteflames role is pretty much not mentioned pie pie as an oddity ever. 

There isn't really a whole lot of reason for me to be interacting with poly given that we town read each other and have explained why. However I did ask him for his reads this day phase, and was on his lynch wagon dp1 prior to tracking him (also mentioend scum reading him in dp2 several times). 
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I've got thoughts on my top 2 scum reads, and right now, they're Poly and Luna. I honestly don't see any possible way that Pie is on a scum team with Poly after he pushed for that lynch in DP3, and considering I was on that same wagon, I'd honestly like to see someone justify me bussing him that hard in order to implicate me.

This largely comes down to whether you believe that it's a Poly/Luna or Pie/me. I honestly don't see any other way this plays out. Luna appears to be pushing the latter narrative, and Pie the former. I mean to post a lot of examination of the matter when I can get my thoughts together after a decent night's sleep, but I wanted to post this beforehand to get at least this much out there.
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Yeah just checked dp1 and there was like one small minor disagreement wylted had with voting earth and that was like the only time he tagged him. DP2 nothing, and DP3 just that one post as well. Them reading each other at all is almost non existent. Whereas the argument for my interactions with poly is more or less that I am blatantly buddying him if I am scum. 

Poly hasn't responded to any of my scum reads on him from dp1 or dp2, but at least I had a read on him the whole game, and have been on both sides of the coin. 
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I agree with white flame here, the scum teams only makes sense here from your perspective as me/poly or whiteflame/pie. 

Sounds like the game will be largely up to you to decide. I am always willing to make a case for why I think me and poly are town, though obviously it could be dismissed as wifom. But I have plenty to support it if you are interested. 
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Oh I 100% called him out  for it. I don't scum read a bad suggestion from a new player, I correct it. 
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Ironically I was going to point the same thing out about pie and whiteflame. Other than pie responding to whiteflames post 190 there's barely been any interaction.
I... honestly don't know what you're reading.

From DP3:

From DP1:

I barely posted in DP2, so it's not surprising that we didn't interact there. I've tagged him seven times across 2 DPs. I only skimmed DP3 from him, but he tagged me 4 times there alone. There's been plenty of interaction between us.
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Oh I 100% called him out  for it. I don't scum read a bad suggestion from a new player, I correct it. 
Must’ve skimmed over it my b
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Alright, that's all for me tonight. I need to sleep, so I'll post more extensive thoughts tomorrow.
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The key thing is bolded with the cop reads. It explains why he kept you alive. Doesn’t really explain who last scum is out of WF or Luna but the plan to keep you alive to manipulate your results is still here. It’s possible Luna is the scum power role and Poly is the passive role or vice versa. 
In this scenario where you think I am scum why would you think I would be telling the truth about my tracker result on poly? If you think we were a scum team, then any scum role is an option for either of us... This feels like a scum slip
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I was just in the process of finding all the interactions between us. I’ll make a more thorough list
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I said there is barely any posts, that that none exists. But your reads of each other are largely missing from all of them, and many of the posts tagged to one other are dis-regarded entirely by the other entity or quickly dropped. There doesn't seem to be any deep analyzation of the other affiliation, besides your post 84 that says you have little reason to sus pie. That doesn't really excuse you, but it definitely doesn't excse why pie isn't reading you. 

On the other hand poly has been in my read lsts since dp1. I didn't even really town read him until pie almost mislynched him in dp3. And that was after my result.
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So Pie just scum slipped by acknowledging that he thinks poly was a passive role even though he is shipping us as a scum team. Which would imply that he believed my tracker result for some reason, even though he thinks I am scum. Wyt?
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In this scenario where you think I am scum why would you think I would be telling the truth about my tracker result on poly?
I don’t think you’re telling the truth about being a Backup and the Tracker, I’ve said as much. You were the second to last person to claim with Poly being the last. Y’all had the option of making Poly a visiting role or a non visiting role. Clearly you chose the non visiting and took the backup role as tracker.

If you think we were a scum team, then any scum role is an option for either of us... This feels like a scum slip
That’s why I said Vice versa? You could be passive or power doesn’t really matter. Now if you’re saying you both could be power roles that’s also a possibility because you both claimed last so any roles are open to y’all to operate out of. I made that post after your banter about power and passive roles. It’s no where close to a scum slip lol
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@Lunatic
I said there is barely any posts, that that none exists. But your reads of each other are largely missing from all of them, and many of the posts tagged to one other are dis-regarded entirely by the other entity or quickly dropped. There doesn't seem to be any deep analyzation of the other affiliation, besides your post 84 that says you have little reason to sus pie. That doesn't really excuse you, but it definitely doesn't excse why pie isn't reading you. 
I did read him. I throughly analyzed him while I was in my MYLO phase. I even talked about how I’d lynch him today based on Disc’s flip.

And also you know that at any point in time you ask me for my reads, I will gladly post them in a concise format. I haven’t posted one detailed reads list.

On the other hand poly has been in my read lsts since dp1. I didn't even really town read him until pie almost mislynched him in dp3. And that was after my result.
But see that’s the problem now.
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That’s why I said Vice versa? 
This qoute right here is the only thing that matters out of the above; the rest is wifom. Vice Versa still acknowledges that you think one or the other of us is a passive role. The only reason any one is discussing the option of one scum having a passive is under the assumption that I am actually tracker. If you think I am scum you have exactly 0 reason to buy into the narrative that there is even a passive role. Bruh, you scum slipped. 
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So Pie just scum slipped by acknowledging that he thinks poly was a passive role even though he is shipping us as a scum team. Which would imply that he believed my tracker result for some reason, even though he thinks I am scum. Wyt?
Wylted just read the posts you’ll see for yourself. Luna is creating a massive strawman lmao. Desperation just like last DP.
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I did read him. I throughly analyzed him while I was in my MYLO phase. I even talked about how I’d lynch him today based on Disc’s flip. And also you know that at any point in time you ask me for my reads, I will gladly post them in a concise format. I haven’t posted one detailed reads list.

All of this still falls under the category of "barely interacting", and none of that shows an actual read on whiteflame. If anything your post 168 makes you look worse, because if you are scum you know disc is town and you have made yourself a predetermined excuse not to vote whiteflame in MYLO. 

On the other hand poly has been in my read lsts since dp1. I didn't even really town read him until pie almost mislynched him in dp3. And that was after my result.
But see that’s the problem now.
It's a problem; For you. It shows that I have been analyzing poly's behavior and changing opinions on him based on his behavior and my results. You on the other hand haven't mentioned whiteflame in a read, and whiteflame only said he had little reason to suspect you once, in a whole 4 day phases. With me and poly there's at least some critical thinking and analysis going on. At leas on my end. 
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This qoute right here is the only thing that matters out of the above; the rest is wifom. Vice Versa still acknowledges that you think one or the other of us is a passive role. The only reason any one is discussing the option of one scum having a passive is under the assumption that I am actually tracker. If you think I am scum you have exactly 0 reason to buy into the narrative that there is even a passive role. Bruh, you scum slipped. 
Lol there is no scum slip here. 

It’s a very simple scenario. Luna and Poly claimed last. They had their pick of roles. Luna says he’s gonna be a backup and gets Tracker. Poly does Beloved Princess.

If Poly is a power role scum and uses actions then Luna is lying about his results clearly.

At the same time it’s possible Poly is a passive scum role with his fake claim as a passive town role and Luna is telling the “truth” that he didn’t visit anyone. Luna is lying about his role in both scenarios but the core fact that Poly didn’t visit anyone is still viable even though it’s based on a lie.

Not even close to a scum slip.
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There is no strawmanning going on here, pie is operating under two conflicting assumptions; 1. that me and poly are both scum, and 2. that there is a passive role on the scum team which acknowledges that I am not lying about being a tracker. 


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It's a problem; For you. It shows that I have been analyzing poly's behavior and changing opinions on him based on his behavior and my results. You on the other hand haven't mentioned whiteflame in a read, and whiteflame only said he had little reason to suspect you once, in a whole 4 day phases.
I’ve already said I post reads when asked. As for Whiteflame, the same can be said about me and Speed. Only analysis I did was MYLO analysis with him. Very little interactions DP1 and DP2. Am I still scum? You on the other hand have done this exclusively with Poly. Normally you bounce ideas off your town reads. Ask around. I’ve been doing that with Wylted for a while now.

With me and poly there's at least some critical thinking and analysis going on. At leas on my end. 
I forgot to finish cause you’re spamming SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP even though it isn’t a scum slip by any means. Wylted is no Greyparrot and he’ll see through your shenanigans.

If you town read Poly DP3, you should have more interactions with him because you town read him lol.


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There is no strawmanning going on here, pie is operating under two conflicting assumptions; 1. that me and poly are both scum, and 2. that there is a passive role on the scum team which acknowledges that I am not lying about being a tracker. 
I never said you’re telling the truth about being a tracker lol
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I can continue this all night if you want. I’m not backing down. Though I hope I can at least catch some shut eye after waking up at 6 today
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I’ve already said I post reads when asked. As for Whiteflame, the same can be said about me and Speed. Only analysis I did was MYLO analysis with him. Very little interactions DP1 and DP2. Am I still scum? You on the other hand have done this exclusively with Poly. Normally you bounce ideas off your town reads. Ask around. I’ve been doing that with Wylted for a while now.
Okay then why haven't you with whiteflame? Because you weren't asked lol? Why do you vocalize reads for others but not him?

I forgot to finish cause you’re spamming SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP even though it isn’t a scum slip by any means.

I am not spamming anything. I am making a very logical argument for how it is a scum slip. This feels like you projecting, because you feel the pressure for being caught. 

If you town read Poly DP3, you should have more interactions with him because you town read him lol.
My town read of him was by proxy of you trying to mislynch him combined with a result that lines up with his claim, not some expert behavior from him. 
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I never said you’re telling the truth about being a tracker lol
Right, you inadvertently acknowledged when you scum slipped by factoring in a passive role on the scum team in your analysis. That is what is a scum slip is. It's you telling the truth by accident. I am sure you didn't mean to admit that my tracker results were accurate ;-)
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I can continue this all night if you want. I’m not backing down. Though I hope I can at least catch some shut eye after waking up at 6 today
This is postering, which is honestly scummy. You think I am scum, and think wylted is town. You need to convince wylted not me. The only reason to lose sleep here is to make sure you are seen as having the last word, not actually proving a point. 
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Okay then why haven't you with whiteflame? Because you weren't asked lol? Why do you vocalize reads for others but not him?
I have. I’ve said he’d be scum in situations. I’ve said constantly Poly is 100% scum and then it’d be 50/50 between you and WF if I live during which I’d have to do more analysis.

I didn’t vocalize my read on Speed either lol. Does that mean he’s secretly my scum partner. You’re really blaming me for not posting my reads when you didn’t ask for them? Various people asked for various peoples reads. 

I am not spamming anything. I am making a very logical argument for how it is a scum slip. This feels like you projecting, because you feel the pressure for being caught.
There is no “projecting” and no “scum-slip.” Either way it’s for Wylted to decide.

My town read of him was by proxy of you trying to mislynch him combined with a result that lines up with his claim, not some expert behavior from him.
That’s not what I mean. You both scumread me. Sure that’s fine. What’s the future? Who’s the second scum? No discussion. I’ve been doing for quite a while now with Wylted.
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This is postering, which is honestly scummy. You think I am scum, and think wylted is town. You need to convince wylted not me. The only reason to lose sleep here is to make sure you are seen as having the last word, not actually proving a point. 
I know you Luna. You pride yourself in being able to talk your way out. I have 100% faith that Wylted will believe me because your “scum slip” doesn’t even make any sense.

And I’m not just gonna let you filibuster and spread propaganda the entire time like CNN does. 
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Pie's behaior in post 113 is another thing I pointed out last day phase:


He's so hell bent on having the last word, it's like he thinks that by being the last person in a text chain for the night it by proxy makes him right. But really he's only talking to one person, most people aren't reading back and forths like this. It's why I have tried to make posts that are more open ended and directed towards everyone in the middle of the back and forths, because as town, we are all apart of the conversation. Pie doing this in wylted's game is one thing, since he wasn't scum reading me but appealing to my scum read of him. In this scenario where he directly scum reads me, losing sleep to do a back and forth is pure posturing. 
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If Luna spams the thread with responses at least give me the chance to respond before voting.