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@whiteflame
when you reevaluate, please list your top 2 scum reads.
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@ILikePie5
Well that’s cause Wylted came up with the game on the spot - which I’m sure he’ll confirm lol.
I will. I tried to get out of it, but the next person on the list said they were not ready for signups. It was a rough week also for me personally
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@ILikePie5
top 2 scum reads when you reread everything
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@ILikePie5
I'll save my comments for the endgame if you would like to discuss more
please
please was a follow up to post 63 not 64
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@Wylted
Sounds good
I think there is a lot of information to be gained here, now that we know earth is town and we had two strong competing wagons
poly is strongly suspected of being scum.now, so if we took the next step and assume poly is scum, we can deduce some things here
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@ILikePie5
Well that’s cause Wylted came up with the game on the spot - which I’m sure he’ll confirm lol.
This one feels kind of made up on the spot too.
Chris and Speed were heavily weakened though meaning Supa did at least somewhat consider balance.
Speed was weakened because DD claimed (that role should probably not be honest claimed as town). Mafia got lucky with chris, and if earth hadn't claimed mafia could have wasted a kill. Mafia ran into a bit of luck with the way things turned out this time.
Ya ik, but none of his games have ever ended after DP2 with Town losing. He’s a bad mod for sure, but he’s not dumb enough to create a game where town loses in 2 DPs. Even our scum game lasted like 5 DPs
Full metal alchemist could have ended np1 if whoever chris gave the vig to shot you, and whiteflame shot me or vice versa. That was my whole issue with the game. I don't like to bitch about balance anymore but double vig definitely a bit OP. I am not saying this game is imbalanced, just that it could be really swingy.
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@Lunatic
on reread you are town. I will be embarrassed to be wrong about this after a guilty vote, but behaviorally rereading past dps, you scream town
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@Wylted
poly is strongly suspected of being scum.now, so if we took the next step and assume poly is scum, we can deduce some things here
Actually, logically now that I am thinking about this, the only situation that makes sense for him (poly) being scum from my POV (knowing I was either framed or you were redirected) is if he is a JOAT that convienently used a ninja np2 the night I tracked him. Because we know they have a roleblocked, since you were blocked last night. Scum usually can't use more than one role at a time, so the only way he could be scum is if he is a JOAT that used a ninja NP2, and the other scum is the roleblocker.
If anything this moves poly even lower on my suspect list, since the odds of the happening would have to be pretty lucky. Also they knew the tracker was dead at this point, so unless they had reason to believe there was a watcher, why would they use a ninja ability here? Unless poly is just a straight up ninja and not a JOAT, in which case oromagi's role was just absolutely pointless.
since you were blocked np2 not last night*
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@Lunatic
what was your action last np?
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@Lunatic
I meant last np. I have a theory
could one of the scum be ascetic a.d the other a redirector?
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@Lunatic
action failed does not mean roleblocked. What was your action?
Actually my action specifically said "lunatic is guilty"
Not "your result is guilty" so unless supa fucked up, it could mean a framing not a redirector or a legitimate guilty person.
Is there a scum equivalent to a jailkeeper also?
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@Wylted
I tracked whiteflame, and was told my action failed.
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@Wylted
what message did you get the night you were roleblocked?
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@Wylted
could one of the scum be ascetic a.d the other a redirector?
I've never seen supa use an ascetic on the scum team. Also that kind of invalidates all townie power roles if that is the case. A JOAT feels more likely and gives the game a bit more of an element of choice. I am guessing either JOAT/roleblocker or ninja/roleblocker. JOAT makes more sense as it technically has more balance checks for cops, doctors, and tracker/watchers if done correctly.
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@Lunatic
Actually, logically now that I am thinking about this, the only situation that makes sense for him (poly) being scum from my POV (knowing I was either framed or you were redirected) is if he is a JOAT that convienently used a ninja np2 the night I tracked him. Because we know they have a roleblocked, since you were blocked last night. Scum usually can't use more than one role at a time, so the only way he could be scum is if he is a JOAT that used a ninja NP2, and the other scum is the roleblocker.If anything this moves poly even lower on my suspect list, since the odds of the happening would have to be pretty lucky. Also they knew the tracker was dead at this point, so unless they had reason to believe there was a watcher, why would they use a ninja ability here? Unless poly is just a straight up ninja and not a JOAT, in which case oromagi's role was just absolutely pointless.
You’re forgetting one thing though. It’s conceivable that Poly is a passive role like GF and his partner is the JOAT with the RB and Frame from your PoV
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@Lunatic
same. My action failed. Could be a jailkeeper type role if they thought I would investigate him.
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@Polyglot
It’s hard to read Earth. He claimed bodyguard also in the last game I played with him when he was scum. But he waited until the very last day phase to do this. I think if he was really scum then that would be a last resort claim for him.
Can you tell me what you meant when you said this. Rephrase it for me is a better way of asking it ig
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@ILikePie5
You’re forgetting one thing though. It’s conceivable that Poly is a passive role like GF and his partner is the JOAT with the RB and Frame from your PoV
That doesn't account for this DP, where I know I was roleblocked, and also know some fuckery happened with the cop result. Whether it was a redirect or a frame, they did something. Which means for their to be a god father than one of the mafia was able to use two roles in one night, which isn't normal.
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@ILikePie5
poly looks opportunistic all game. Can you review lunatics actions and see if he is "breaking up reads" which often deceptively looks like scum hunting.
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@Lunatic
That doesn't account for this DP, where I know I was roleblocked, and also know some fuckery happened with the cop result. Whether it was a redirect or a frame, they did something. Which means for their to be a god father than one of the mafia was able to use two roles in one night, which isn't normal.
From your PoV then, scum has to be exactly Whiteflame and me then. There’s no room to manuver there. Don’t know why you’re not voting then…
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@Wylted
poly looks opportunistic all game. Can you review lunatics actions and see if he is "breaking up reads" which often deceptively looks like scum hunting.
The key thing I notice after my first half-read/half-skim is that there are zero conversations between Poly and Lunatic.
The closest thing is the derailment of the Poly wagon last DP. But I don’t think they’ve pinged each other once which is really really odd.
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@ILikePie5
From your PoV then, scum has to be exactly Whiteflame and me then. There’s no room to manuver there. Don’t know why you’re not voting then…
That's pretty much where I am at. There is a small chance that poly convienently ninja'd out of a JOAT role np2 which I acknowledged to wylted, but that would be the stars aligning pretty darn well. I will likely be voting one of you or whiteflame today, but there's no reason to do it now. Also I could be missing something, so I am open to other suggestions here. There's no rush.
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@Wylted
Also, this post last DP by Poly stands out to me with what we know
The idea of VTNL sounds good. it won't hurt the town and will still leave us with time to scoop out mafia with some cop reads. I don't have any reads on speedrace and I'm willing to put him as a town read simply because the way Wylted interacted with him DP2. As far as I'm concerned, Pie is looking more and more scummy based on his interactions with me today and I'll be willing to lynch him if we decide not to VTNL.
VTNL was definitely not an option because Town’s power is to lynch - surprised Luna didn’t say anything about it. Or maybe I’m confusing him with someone else.
The key thing is bolded with the cop reads. It explains why he kept you alive. Doesn’t really explain who last scum is out of WF or Luna but the plan to keep you alive to manipulate your results is still here. It’s possible Luna is the scum power role and Poly is the passive role or vice versa.