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@whiteflame
I appreciate the analysis. I'd be willing to consider either lynch, but I do have to note that it's a bit odd for scum to tie their fates together so closely. If Speed did flip scum, DD would easily be the next target, since his claim is absolutely tied to Speed's. If there is no Doc in this game, then there is no need for a Doc Enabler. Much as I buy the idea that he'd play like this as scum (he did do it before, as you say), I don't think that he'd prep this fake claim with DD. That seems more half-assed than I'm willing to buy at the moment. So, if we're considering these two, I think the case you're making against Pie is more persuasive.
I don't disagree, but yeah that's why if speed is scum DD pretty much has to be is scum partner here. And there is scum equity in there interactions/ lack of interactions with each other. There are also a lot of protective roles in this game, note that DD claimed after mister chris flipped JOAT with a doc. They as scum may have expected the argument to rise that theres now 3 different protective roles if we are to believe speed. DD may have had to bite the bullet on that one to lock in for speed. So that is why it isn't that absurd to believe scum would back each other like that. on that note, pie is also accusing me of buddy locking with poly here, so at the very least if you think scum aren't likely to buddy lock you have to acknowledge the same applies to me and poly, which means the result on poly makes him look even better. If I were you I wouldn't buy into that narrative at all, I am just saying that to prove a point; if scum are willing to buddy lock in any scenario it shouldn't be dis-regarded for the other. 
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Wish I had time before bed to finish analysis but sadly not. Please don't lynch me pie or poly while I am gone.
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The idea of VTNL sounds good. it won't hurt the town and will still leave us with time to scoop out mafia with some cop reads. I don't have any reads on speedrace and I'm willing to put him as a town read simply because the way Wylted interacted with him DP2. As far as I'm concerned, Pie is looking more and more scummy based on his interactions with me today and I'll be willing to lynch him if  we decide not to VTNL. 
Town doesn't no lynch, except if there  isn't enough time to pull off a lynch at the end of the phase. That or after 3 days of arguing absolutely 0 consensus has been reached. However in that circumstance we just let the phase expire while trying to lynch scum. You shouldn't rely on results especially after everyone has full claimed and we know there is a roleblocker. Chances are I or wylted die or get blocked tonight. If you think pie is scum you can help me pressure him, though I imagine at this point he's just gonna double down on you so you might as well push him if  you scum read him.

Who do you think pie's partner is likely to be? Who else do you read? 
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Wish I had time before bed to finish analysis but sadly not. Please don't lynch me pie or poly while I am gone.
Unless someone scum slips or something we shouldn't be lynching until we get much more content. We have plenty of time, and I would like to hear a bit more from speed as well
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Poly giving town vibes here. Giving well reasoned reads and contribution, voting for who they think is scum then naturally unvoting when things come up to show their stated reasons as incorrect
Could the underlined bolded portion of disc's statement in post 146 be a scum slip?
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Unvote

I can wait a bit I am very uncertain of anything 
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Could the underlined bolded portion of disc's statement in post 146 be a scum slip?
I don't see a scum slip in the bolded.
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Aight I’m here. First I’m going to respond to stuff directed at me after I left. Then I’m going to lay out a step by step case.
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Aight I’m here. First I’m going to respond to stuff directed at me after I left. Then I’m going to lay out a step by step case.
If you are actually town here, I feel like you are so caught up in the back and forth lately, and being right that you are losing sight of the actual goal; scum hunting. I am hoping this is just your scum play, or I have severely over-estimated your town play. And I don't see how you already have a step by step case against poly that isn't going to be a completely convoluted effort to double down on your already bad logic. 
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@Lunatic
One of the main reasons you scum read earth was because of the multiple protecters theory, so you are literally contradicting yourself. Also you are proving my point for me by pointing out misterchris also had a protective role which I forgot about and wasn't even referring to. So a doctor, a doc enabler, a bulletproof, and a 1x are ALL town? Maybe. But by your own logic with earth you should be more skeptical of the doc claim. 
No? I never said one or the other has to be scum. I’ve seen numerous games with a Doctor and a Bulletproof.

When did I ever lynch you just because your claim? I don't remember but if I was lynching you it had something to do with behavior.
No it wasn’t. You literally told Grey to shoot me in the night but ok lol. That’s besides the point.

I am starting to town read poly based on the fact you almost mislynched him and that my result confirms his claimed role.
Your role just confirms he didn’t perform the NK. Or it just means you both are scum 

You on the other hand have like 0 behavioral motive to scum read poly here outside of just not believing his claim.
Actually it’s simple POE, which I will explain here in a bit.

You are forgetting or choosing to ignore that if he is town you potentially end the game or put us in MYLO. You are blindly buying into the doc claim, if he's scum there is nothing to stop a night kill. So, on the contrary, why do YOU think speed isn't lying?
Well there was an investigation on him by Wylted and it was innocent. If Speed was scum he’d have hammered.
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One of the main reasons you scum read earth was because of the multiple protecters theory, so you are literally contradicting yourself. Also you are proving my point for me by pointing out misterchris also had a protective role which I forgot about and wasn't even referring to. So a doctor, a doc enabler, a bulletproof, and a 1x are ALL town? Maybe. But by your own logic with earth you should be more skeptical of the doc claim. 
No? I never said one or the other has to be scum. I’ve seen numerous games with a Doctor and a Bulletproof.

Then your motives for lynching earth must have been even worse. You didn't learn your lesson after TUF Villains about earth huh? So are you like policy lynching him then? 

When did I ever lynch you just because your claim? I don't remember but if I was lynching you it had something to do with behavior.
No it wasn’t. You literally told Grey to shoot me in the night but ok lol. That’s besides the point.
Which game? You keep referencing games out of context like I know what you are talking about.

I am starting to town read poly based on the fact you almost mislynched him and that my result confirms his claimed role.
Your role just confirms he didn’t perform the NK. Or it just means you both are scum 
I mean that is WIFOM and not a solid reason to push him over literally anyone else who is unconfirmed. It's basically a non-statement. He could be scum so let's lynch him. You could be scum, whiteflame could be, speed and DD could be literally with the same logic, etc etc. Why target on to poly here? It's so fucking random. 

You on the other hand have like 0 behavioral motive to scum read poly here outside of just not believing his claim.
Actually it’s simple POE, which I will explain here in a bit.
Your POE has to be convoluted af. There is literally no one confirmed here. 

You are forgetting or choosing to ignore that if he is town you potentially end the game or put us in MYLO. You are blindly buying into the doc claim, if he's scum there is nothing to stop a night kill. So, on the contrary, why do YOU think speed isn't lying?
Well there was an investigation on him by Wylted and it was innocent. If Speed was scum he’d have hammered.
This isn't MYLO bro. MYLO analysis isn't relevant. We don't know if there is 2 or 3 scum yet. Also if it is just two scum might not want to hammer that to look scummy by participating on the lynch. Also you are assuming both were online when the l-1 took place, despite speed not talking for hours. Also you want to buy that poly is a passive role, but dis-regard that speed could be a godfather? This is solid evidence that you are either townie tunnel vision on poly, or you are scum deadlocked on lynching him so you can win the game. You are showing an incapability to be objective unless it fits the theme of lynching a specific person; poly. And any naysayers; me.

lol
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Alright I just realized I’ve been running under the assumption that today is MYLO. 

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Alright I just realized I’ve been running under the assumption that today is MYLO. 
only if there is 3 scum. I am hoping that isn't the case as this would be scum sided slightly, but it is a possibility.
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So we have one more lynch before LYLO. Good. Forget anything and everything I said before. Well except for the fact Poly’s claim is still shit and I scumread him just for making it. I don’t honestly believe that Supa put in a role that could put town at MYLO or end the game.

Anyways we should lynch Disc here. If Disc flips town, Speed is confirmed along with Wylted leaving

Pie, WF, Poly, Lunatic

If he’s scum then even better we can lynch whoever.
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@Lunatic
only if there is 3 scum. I am hoping that isn't the case as this would be scum sided slightly, but it is a possibility.
Nah I doubt it. Supa aight that crazy. He should really get his games checked by someone like Drafter.
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Anyways we should lynch Disc here. If Disc flips town, Speed is confirmed along with Wylted leaving
Ironically I think speed is scummier behaviorally of the two. And unfortunately if he is telling the truth than speed is gimped, but if he is lying I guess there is still a world where speed is town, so there is more scum equity in lynching disc. I guess I can kind of agree that disc isn't the worst option here. 
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I am going to unvote for now. Still wanna hear more from speed and disc. 
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@Lunatic
Ironically I think speed is scummier behaviorally of the two. And unfortunately if he is telling the truth than speed is gimped, but if he is lying I guess there is still a world where speed is town, so there is more scum equity in lynching disc. I guess I can kind of agree that disc isn't the worst option here. 
If Disc flips scum, then I’d say WF is next in line.
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I have work tomorrow so won’t be free till 2:30PM
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he said he was voting for who he thinks is scum. How would he know that poly was voting for who he thinks is scum, unless he knows poly is town
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I think that was a genuine scum slip from disc. It is possible him and poly are scum, but he talked about poly and justified him being town, by giving analysis where a premise was made that had to presume poly was town. 
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If that was a scum.slip, like I think it was, it confirms poly as town and leaves the remaining scum as most likely tuf or whiteflame and a small chance of it being speed. 
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@Wylted
If that was a scum.slip, like I think it was, it confirms poly as town and leaves the remaining scum as most likely tuf or whiteflame and a small chance of it being speed. 

Not mention Supa being a moron with balance again 
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VTL Disc
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Yeah I am not going to second guess this 

VtL disc
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that puts disk at l1 and lunatic wants to vote.him.anyway
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@Wylted
If that was a scum.slip, like I think it was, it confirms poly as town and leaves the remaining scum as most likely tuf or whiteflame and a small chance of it being speed. 

I think calling it a slip is kind of a stretch. More like giving him the benefit of the doubt. Though I do think he was town reading poly so it's not really that far fetched. That said not opposed to his lynch. But I'll still give him the time of day and let him post tomorrow.

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There is no need to rush the phase. And if speed is scum he doesn't get to skate through this whole game scot free. He's done that too many times and I've learned my lesson.
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Poly [1/4] whiteflame
Disc [2/4] Poly, Pie, Wylted