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Reward: Does It Fly In The Face of Jesus' Own Teachings?
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@Stephen
And don't ask me about it again I already answered all that s*** and I told you Jesus said specifically you can do all the good works you want it will not get you into heaven the only thing that gets you into heaven is believing on the son of God and accepting that I died for your sins. Arguing with me that's not what said but it is. you weren't asking about me this, it is about Jesus I already answered you with my personal opinion about my personal life you don't like my answers so you're going to be a dick about it that's fine I really don't give a crap I can move on to the next subject just fine.
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@Polytheist-Witch
@Stephen
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Polytheist-Witch,
YOUR DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE TO STEPHEN IN WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW, AND DIDN'T!!!: " .... I told you Jesus said specifically you can do all the good works you want it will not get you into heaven the only thing that gets you into heaven is believing on the son of God and accepting that I died for your sins."
Polytheist-Witch, what part of the following inspired by Jesus passages don't you understand relative to your Bible ignorance above where you state "works" are not needed for salvation?!
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith obut does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:14–17)
"Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" (James 2:20)
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Revelation 22:12)
STEPHEN, I am sorry that the "Witch" in calling you out made a fool of themselves again relative to the JUDEO-Chrisian Bible regarding "faith" and "works."
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I'll contend that one cannot follow all of Jesus' commandments on their own. Loving your enemies? Freedom from adulterous thoughts? Always doing good to those who hate you without thinking thoughts of revenge? Freedom from murderous thoughts? Hating another person is equivalent to murder in Jesus' teachings. The commandments of Jesus are too difficult to keep, and this I have even heard from those who don't believe in Jesus as Christ. But as John 1 states: to those who receive him, he gave power to become sons of God.
Tradesecret touched on the base of the answer. The rewards mentioned aren't a bribe, since the bribery is too difficult to follow on one's own will. What of the beatitudes then? The beatitudes characterizes those who are anchored in gratitude by faith in Christ, and the "rewards" are the natural consequences of being as such. A grateful heart keeps one doing good for the sake of what's good.
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@Lit
The commandments of Jesus are too difficult to keep,
But there is a reward of a ticket to heaven and everlasting life and a one to one with god, if you can.
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@BrotherDThomas
Polytheist-Witch,YOUR DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE TO STEPHEN IN WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW, AND DIDN'T!!!: " ....Polytheist-Witch wrote: I told you Jesus said specifically you can do all the good works you want it will not get you into heaven the only thing that gets you into heaven is believing on the son of God and accepting that I died for your sins."Polytheist-Witch, what part of the following inspired by Jesus passages don't you understand relative to your Bible ignorance above where you state "works" are not needed for salvation?!"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith obut does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:14–17)"Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" (James 2:20)“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Revelation 22:12)
I was getting to that Brother. Then decided it wasn't worth the effort. The Witch gets quite upset and nasty when she has to think too hard and the obvious is pointed out to her.
STEPHEN, I am sorry that the "Witch" in calling you out made a fool of themselves again relative to the JUDEO-Chrisian Bible regarding "faith" and "works."
Contradiction aside Brother, you saved me the the trouble of pointing out the biblical obvious to her. Thank you.
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@zedvictor4
Though charismatic people and their ideology, have always been able to delude the gullible.
Zed hits nail on the head/bulls-eye
”I don’t want to believe, I want to know”....author unknown maybe Carl Sagans wife or other
Believe = faith that this or that, is truth, based on what others tell you, with no substantial evidence, much less rational, logical common sense.
Loss of Conviction { Mother Teresa } of her faith >> go to 00:45 in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1hl2jdfIiA
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@zedvictor4
@ebuc
Zed hits nail on the head
Yes. He's quite handy and sometimes timely with a hammer and a box of nails, is Vic lad.
The commandments of Jesus are too difficult to keep,But there is a reward of a ticket to heaven and everlasting life and a one to one with god, if you can.
This is true, but trying to keep the commandments on our own is fruitless and the texts elsewhere implies this. 1 John says those who have the Seed in them won't sin (willfully); another place states that it is God dwelling in us giving us the desire and the power to do all his good works. So while there are rewards attached to being poor in spirit, or mournful, or merciful, or meek, or thirsting and hungering righteousness, or pure, or peacemaking, these in themselves are the fruits of the Spirit who is in the life of a believer. They will genuinely be these things and will want to do these things because they have the Spirit in them, and heaven and everlasting life and seeing God are the natural course of being as such.
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@Stephen
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
Do you think people should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do?
Yes or No.
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@Stephen
Yes. He's quite handy and sometimes timely with a hammer and a box of nails, is Vic lad.
Yes, Zed is another philosophical carpenter type, without all of the mythological baggage retarding his intellectual accessing abilities. Or so we hope :--)
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@ebuc
Are you an atheist or something else? If so - what kind of atheist are you? Do you consider humanity just material or something more?
Do you follow Plato's view or Aristotle's in relation to the makeup of the human and of everything else?
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@Tradesecret
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.Do you think people should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do?Yes or No.
The answer is in your own question, you clown. And you call yourself a "lawyer"?
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@Stephen
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.Do you think people should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do?Yes or No.The answer is in your own question, you clown. And you call yourself a "lawyer"?
So just to be clear, because I wouldn't want to misquote you.
Is that a Yes or No?
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@Tradesecret
I have said yes. And you had my answer and reason why in your own question. Not very good at reading the written word are you. How many of those criminals that you were supposed to be defending ended up in prison, Reverend?
Read my op, stupid,
And as I mentioned recently, to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
Get well soon reverend "tradey" Tradesecrete... all three of you.😂
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@Stephen
I have said yes.
Thank you for answering the question finally.
Now Stephen, can you explain why you think anyone should do good things?
And you can't answer because - "because it is the right thing to do" - unless - you explain why it is the right thing to do?
Who says so? You? So what? Why should your subjective morality be expected of everyone else, including Jesus?
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@Tradesecret
Now Stephen, can you explain why you think anyone should do good things?
It makes, or would make for a better world in my opinion. But that is only my opinion, thicko.
And you can't answer because ............
I will answer how I like.
With that said; sometimes people get taken for a ride and have their kindness taken for a weakness . You see there are always predators like yourself that are ready to exploit kind, charitable, generous and honest people. Pastors and Priests and Lawyers have been doing so for millennia.
And Priests and Pastors have also been exploiting the weak and the venerable and the naive of society for millennia too, especially at times of grief and mourning.
And as I mentioned recently, to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
Why should your subjective morality be expected of everyone else, including Jesus?
Who said I expect everyone to feel and think the same as me. I gave only my opinion, that is all it is. You can either agree or not agree.
Ok, your turn thicky, to the point of my OP
So are you saying it is better to do good for a ticket to heaven or it is better to give and do good because you choose to give freely without expecting anything in return? Yes or no?
Deary me; I forgot:
Tradesecret wrote: "I
counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not
take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes
and no answers". #15
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@Stephen
Now Stephen, can you explain why you think anyone should do good things?It makes, or would make for a better world in my opinion. But that is only my opinion.
Yes. That is JUST your opinion. But what makes it a better world? And why would it make a better world? Surely you would never suggest this based on just a personal unproven and unsubstantiated matter of faith? How inconsistent would that be? Not just inconsistent but irrational. Faith not able to be justified or proven is absurd isn't? Irrational?
And you can't answer because ............I will answer how I like.
Of course you will, because you don't have any justification for such a statement. It is simply a matter of unproven faith.
With that said; sometimes people get taken for a ride and have their kindness taken for a weakness . You see there are always predators like yourself that are ready to exploit kind, charitable, generous and honest people. Pastors and Priests and Lawyers have been doing so for millennia.
I don't disagree that there are many unscrupulous people in the world - pastors, priests, lawyers, scientists, philosophers, historians, etc etc. I am not the predator though. That is clearly you. Yet that said - that is not anything more than just a subjective opinion by me and by you - unsubstantiated - unproven - matter of faith. Nothing more than superstitious faith.
And as I mentioned recently, to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
Whatever does that even mean? Are you offering compensation for your lies and misinformation? That would truly be a good thing - for the sake of doing what is right. But we won't hold our breath will we? You are the charlatan. You don't even know what "true morality" is. You are totally subjective and moronic in your lies and deception.
Why should your subjective morality be expected of everyone else, including Jesus?Who said I expect everyone to feel and think the same as me. I gave only my opinion, that is all it is. You can either agree or not agree.
Oh but you did. In your OP. You stated that Jesus should have gone with your subjective opinion rather offer rewards. You were clearly making a judgment about the Sermon on the Mount and on Jesus. Stop telling lies and pretending you are just giving your opinion. I gave my opinion back - which actually reflects what most commentators say on the subject - but hey - don't let the facts get in the road of your subjective opinion.
So are you saying it is better to do good for a ticket to heaven or it is better to give and do good because you choose to give freely without expecting anything in return? Yes or no?
I don't think doing good gets us a ticket to heaven. And I don't think Jesus was saying that either. As you have said - you have your opinion and well me and the consensus of commentators obviously have a different one.
I do think people should do good for the sake of doing good. I can say this with confidence because God created the world and is good and wants us to be like him. Good. On the other hand I can't for the life of me understand why you would agree with doing good for the sake of it being right. After all, as an atheist you live by arbitrary and irrational points of view. Randomness, survival of the strongest, chance, no cause and no effect. Yet, I suppose because you are an atheist - you are also arbitrary and irrational and inconsistent and therefore will use Christian standards. I love it. You deny God's existence - but appreciate that God's ideas and morality are good and right.
So the answer is no.
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@Stephen
And the other thing which would be nice to know - is how do you determine what the "right thing" is?
What is your measure of right and wrong?
obviously not the normal understanding of Judea Christian ethics? So what is it?
Now Stephen, can you explain why you think anyone should do good things?It makes, or would make for a better world in my opinion. But that is only my opinion.Yes. That is JUST your opinion.
YEP! Correct. I said it was my opinion. Repeating me isn't going to get us far is it you clown.
I do think people should do good for the sake of doing good.
Why ever not? You just have to link good with faith don't you.
What a ridiculous statement to make and coming from a Pastor and a Chaplain too.
I can't for the life of me understand why you would agree with doing good for the sake of it being [the] right [thing to do]
That will be because you are thick,Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. ... and don't know your scriptures
I am not the predator though.
Yes you are. And you seem to have confused the word "pray" with the word prey. The Christian church has preyed on the weak and the frail. The illiterate, The down trodden and disenfranchised, the sick and the bereaved and the mourning with promises . Its a habit that the priesthood will never shake off. It is your bread and butter.
What is your measure of right and wrong?
Cause no harm. Which the church/religion been doing so for millennia.
obviously not the normal understanding of Judea Christian ethics?
Which are what? Keeping in mind that you have just said; "I do think people should do good for the sake of doing good". ?
therefore will use Christian standards.
And there it is, linking faith with doing good.
And this is what fkn gets me about thick, dense holier than thou dickheads like you,. You cannot accept that a person like me can have morals and standards because I do not believe in a dead man rising to walk the earth again or have a faith.
Who are you to claim the monopoly of what human standards are or should be simply because you have a faith. ?
I don't think doing good gets us a ticket to heaven.
Well that is because you haven't read your bible have you Reverend "tradey" Tradesecrete.
Here's some clues for the clown;
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:14–17)
"Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" (James 2:20)
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Revelation 22:12)
Get well soon Reverend.... all three of you.
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@Stephen
yes. That is JUST your opinion.YEP! Correct. I said it was my opinion. Repeating me isn't going to get us far is it you clown.
Oh that is so funny.
I do think people should do good for the sake of doing good.Why ever not? You just have to link good with faith don't you.What a ridiculous statement to make and coming from a Pastor and a Chaplain too.
Please explain why it is a ridiculous statement to say people should do good for the sake of doing good.
I can't for the life of me understand why you would agree with doing good for the sake of it being [the] right [thing to do]That will be because you are thick,
no it is because as an atheist you have no morals. How many times have you said - atheists only believe God is not real. That is the extent of your thinking. Of course it is not but you are also an evolutionist - which means that you think all things are random and that moralist is nothing but na immaterial thing. unless of course you believe that humans are dualistic which you don't. So of course it is natural for people like me to say you have no morals. you want to have your cake and eat it - but the fact is - you are fraud. You don't even know what you believe. You have no reason to believe the above statement except for the fact that a dead man rose from the dead.
I am not the predator though.Yes you are. And you seem to have confused the word "pray" with the word prey. The Christian church has preyed on the weak and the frail. The illiterate, The down trodden and disenfranchised, the sick and the bereaved and the mourning with promises . Its a habit that the priesthood will never shake off. It is your bread and butter.
That is precious. I am not a priest. I never said I was a reverend. I never said I was ordained or that I was called. Your memory is pretty sad. But hey- keep up the good work, It certainly makes my life easier.
What is your measure of right and wrong?Cause no harm.
Why? Do you mean only towards people you like or agree with - or is this another arbitrary and irrational standard you pretend to follow? LOL! Imagine if you ACTUALLY applied this standard in our conversations. HYPOCRITE!
obviously not the normal understanding of Judea Christian ethics?Which are what? Keeping in mind that you have just said; "I do think people should do good for the sake of doing good". ?
Yep - Judea Christian ethics are to do good to all - but especially to the houshold of faith. Treat others how you would like to be treated. I am totally au fae with this.
therefore will use Christian standards.And there it is, linking faith with doing good.
ABSOLUTELY! And with both guns firing as well. Faith is at the bottom of everyone's thinking. The question is it rational or irrational? It is consistent or not consistent? You are inconsistent and irrational. You give arbitrary comments and think it works - but it does not SUNSHINE. You fail miserably.
And this is what fkn gets me about thick, dense holier than thou dickheads like you,. You cannot accept that a person like me can have morals and standards because I do not believe in a dead man rising to walk the earth again or have a faith.
I never said you did not have morals. I said the opposite. I said you have morals - that you borrow from the Christian faith. They are not atheistic morals. They are borrowed credit. All this shows is that you are inconsistent and irrational. It does not show that you have no morals. It only shows they are not yours.
Who are you to claim the monopoly of what human standards are or should be simply because you have a faith. ?
I don't. Please read what I wrote.
I don't think doing good gets us a ticket to heaven.Well that is because you haven't read your bible
Well actually Stevie Blunder - the bible never says that good gets us to heaven. But there you have it. This is the reason Jesus came to the world - God in the flesh - the question you always ponder but never get. God - can not sin. It is God's righteousness that we are given - freely by God's grace - when we trust that Jesus died for us. That he atoned for us. As our covenant head. As our representative. Even though we did not vote for him. Or select him. Or ask for him to do it on our behalves.
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:14–17)
I love these verses - preaching from them recently. Faith requires evidence. Or what? It is not faith. Stevie this is what I keep telling you. Faith is not just a pie in the sky belief - it is rational - it requires something more than belief. After all even the devils believed. What is evidence of faith - good works or good fruits. Without this - it is not real faith. AMEN.
Faith in the Greek means believe and do. Not just believe. If Christians are not doing good then they have never experienced faith. But now look at the the cause and affect situation. This means - faith plus works is real. But faith by itself is not. But also works without faith is also dead. But hold on a sec - I hear Stevie the Blunder thinking - hold on - how can a person do good works and not have faith? Because people - even non-Christians can do - a kind of good thing. As Jesus said to the disciples in the Sermon on the Mount - (that pesky thing) - even you being EVIL - will give your sons food rather than snakes and rocks to eat.
"Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" (James 2:20)
Yep - same point.
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Revelation 22:12)
Wow! Let's just stop and pause. Is Jesus talking to Christians or non-Christians? Is he talking to everyone? No. At this point the Wicked have already been judged. There are only Christians left. He is talking to Christians. People who all believe in faith and evidence this by good works. He is not talking then about getting to heaven - he is talking about rewards in heaven. Quite a different thing. At least try and pretend that you understand some of the things you think you do.
I give you a great big FAIL. Again.
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@Tradesecret
Are you an atheist or something else?
God = Universe and ive been very clear on this for years, and more comprehensively in my most wholistic , Cosmic Trinary Outline.
Do you consider humanity just material or something more?
Again I refer you too my Cosmic Trinary Outline wherein you will find humanity and other topic as a sucatgory of one of more of those three.
I've made one change to my outline, and that is Metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 } is more refined as Meta-space { spirit-1 }.
Do you follow Plato's view or Aristotle's in relation to the makeup of the human and of everything else?
Cant say as I'm not that familiar with writings of those two people. Here below is development process for end-date-for-humanity
1} Pi-Time abstract absolute, { 66.4 }
2} times 3 { triangulation i.e. to get-fix-on-a-something ex location of this or that is well known by NSA, surveryors, military for 00's of not 1000's of years }, ---mass{?} maybe yes maybe no --
3} EMRadiation speed [ c } squared { c^2 = surface area growth/expansion of sphere and/ or possibley torus specifically as Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )(,
4} speed-of-radiation { 186,000 mile-per-second {to help BJ } } a classical cosmic constant when in vacuum.
Please explain why it is a ridiculous statement to say people should do good for the sake of doing good.
Its not. I thought I made that clear. Doing good for goodness sake doesn't have to be linked to a faith . Doing good for the sake of it should be enough all on its own. Faith and Christianity does not have the monopoly on goodness or good deeds.
And there it is, linking faith with doing good.ABSOLUTELY! And with both guns firing as well. Faith is at the bottom of everyone's thinking.
Again, you are clearly speaking for others. Being and doing good is not necessarily always linked to faith or a good turn does not necessarily mean one is faithful to god as much as w you wish it to be. You are now clearly suggesting that a good turn comes about through one having a faith in god; this is utter bollocks. I know kind and generous atheists. One of my sisters was a prime example and to my annoyance at times.
People can and do, perform good benevolent things without faith and simply because they choose to do so.
Get well soon Reverend.
Notorious televangelist Jim Bakker and his church in southwestern Missouri was ordered to pay $156,000 in restitution to viewers of his religious talk show who were convinced into purchasing a fake Covid cure during the early stages of the pandemic.
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@FLRW
Notorious televangelist Jim Bakker and his church in southwestern Missouri was ordered to pay $156,000 in restitution to viewers of his religious talk show who were convinced into purchasing a fake Covid cure during the early stages of the pandemic.
And so they should be. Anyone - religious or not - should not be taking advantage of people's fears. I think their show - if it is still running - ought to be shut down for a while as well.
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@Stephen
Please explain why it is a ridiculous statement to say people should do good for the sake of doing good.Its not. I thought I made that clear.
Well, it looks like you said the opposite above. But pleased you clarify your position.
Doing good for goodness sake doesn't have to be linked to a faith . Doing good for the sake of it should be enough all on its own. Faith and Christianity does not have the monopoly on goodness or good deeds.
Everyone - including the atheist has faith. And everything they do flows from that faith or is borrowed from another. I am not talking about (a) faith in particular. But I still don't know why you think doing good for the sake of it is an answer to the question. Because it is not. That is simply a copout. Explain why it is "good enough all on its own". What is good for example? And why is your definition of "good" any better than someone else's definition of "good"? And why does it suddenly become something that should be done - "just for the sake of it"? There are any number of definition of what "good" is. The Taliban, taking control of Afghanistan is considered "good" by almost every member of the Taliban. I don't think it is good. And I have no doubt you have an opinion about whether it is good or not. This is your baby - your thread - at least do us the curtesy of explaining where you get your definition of good from and why people should do it "just for the sake of it".
Given I hold to the view that every person has Faith - it is ipso facto - true I don't think anyone has a monopoly on it. You have as much faith as I do. Faith is inescapable. And I certainly never said you did not do good or that you don't have morals. I indicated that the good you do - when you do good, is not something that flows from your faith because that would be irrational, but is in fact borrowed from another (without giving credit to that other faith). Atheism does not logically have the ability to produce good. Or to encourage good. How many times have we heard on this forum that atheism is neither a worldview nor anything more than isolated people around the world that share one thought - there is no god? Even according to it own thinkers - atheism is unable to encourage good. Therefore atheists - MUST borrow from another worldview.
And there it is, linking faith with doing good.ABSOLUTELY! And with both guns firing as well. Faith is at the bottom of everyone's thinking.Again, you are clearly speaking for others. Being and doing good is not necessarily always linked to faith or a good turn does not necessarily mean one is faithful to god as much as w you wish it to be. You are now clearly suggesting that a good turn comes about through one having a faith in god; this is utter bollocks. I know kind and generous atheists. One of my sisters was a prime example and to my annoyance at times.
Yes and your sister borrows from other worldviews in order to do "good" and to be "generous". It is not something that flows from being an atheist. I clearly did not say mean or intend or are even suggesting that a good turn comes about through having a faith in god. Again, you need to learn to read - rather than just bluster on.
People can and do, perform good benevolent things without faith and simply because they choose to do so.
Two things. Firstly, everyone has faith - not faith in god but in their own understanding of everything. Atheistic faith is real. It is irrational. But it is real.
Secondly, I am not denying that atheists can do good. I am just saying it is inconsistent with their own worldview - and that they have to borrow from other worldviews to that - and those other worldviews - must be religious by virtue of the fact that atheistic worldviews DENY implicitly any doctrine but the one that says "there is no god". You can't have it both ways. You can't say atheism has no doctrines but is able to encourage people to do good. To do so - is a contradiction. But once you start going down the line of logic which says atheists can do good - all by themselves and without faith - you have introduced a new doctrine. (Atheists don't believe in God AND Atheists can promote and encourage others to do good) But that would be to suggest that there are more than one doctrine. And that would then start to demonstrate that Atheism is not just about having "no faith" but is also having a positive position which implicitly is faith.
OF course it is a matter for you. Either you concede that atheism cannot encourage anyone to do good - or you concede the position that atheism is a worldview with positive faith. There are no other options. Atheists MUST borrow from other worldviews - worldviews logically which are religious.
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@Tradesecret
Firstly, everyone has faith -
Prove it.
Secondly, I am not denying that atheists can do good.
NO. , what you are doing is implying that goodness and benevolence are linked explicitly to god and faith. Can you prove that?
Atheists MUST borrow from other worldviews - worldviews logically which are religious.
Opinion. And we are talking YOUR OWN religious views concerning benevolence and doing good and not my world views.
You can't say atheism has no doctrines but is able to encourage people to do good.
"doctrines" are different all over the world as are religious doctrines. The difference being that you believe that your doctrines on benevolence and doing good stem from god and his laws, and I don't. As I have said, religion does not have the monopoly on whether or not a person can be benevolent and do good. This is simply a haughty claim made by the religious.
Get well soon Reverend....all three of you.
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@FLRW
Notorious televangelist Jim Bakker and his church in southwestern Missouri was ordered to pay $156,000 in restitution to viewers of his religious talk show who were convinced into purchasing a fake Covid cure during the early stages of the pandemic.
I did mention such-like here >>
Stephen wrote: Priests and Pastors have also been exploiting the weak and the venerable and the naive of society for millennia too, especially at times of grief and mourning. #47
As do lawyers : "“Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets.Yet they shamelessly cheat widows out of their property and then pretend to be pious by making long prayers in public. Because of this, they will be severely punished.”".
Luke 20:45- 47
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@Stephen
Firstly, everyone has faith -Prove it.Secondly, I am not denying that atheists can do good.NO. , what you are doing is implying that goodness and benevolence are linked explicitly to god and faith. Can you prove that?Atheists MUST borrow from other worldviews - worldviews logically which are religious.Opinion. And we are talking YOUR OWN religious views concerning benevolence and doing good and not my world views.You can't say atheism has no doctrines but is able to encourage people to do good."doctrines" are different all over the world as are religious doctrines. The difference being that you believe that your doctrines on benevolence and doing good stem from god and his laws, and I don't. As I have said, religion does not have the monopoly on whether or not a person can be benevolent and do good. This is simply a haughty claim made by the religious.Get well soon Reverend....all three of you.
Well that is a sorry lot of an excuse, isn't? I can't answer any of these questions Stephen until you answer mine. Can I?
How can I respond to you about good - until you tell us what good is -and why your definition is better than anyone else's?
Let us know what good is - why people ought to do it for the sake of doing good? Help us help you. Until you prove your own assertions, then is little point in me discussing faith and why it links to good. After all, you will simply produce a different understanding of good and why it can't possibly be linked to faith. So - you asserted first - it is your topic.
Please start.
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@Tradesecret
How can I respond to you about good - until you tell us what good is
See above you clown.I answered. You are skirting the subject with nonsense, like the patronising clown that you are.
Being benevolent and doing good does not have to be faith based or does it require a belief in god as you are trying to impress on us that it is/does. You will keep getting the same reply until you can prove otherwise.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.. all three of you.