Fast Food Mafia DP2

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@Lunatic
I really don’t like the bandwagon. They both did it last DP as well. I’m willing to pressure Speed for his claim at the very leas
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@Lunatic
What type of conversation happens in the scum PM where Earth's partner tells him to change his claim from bodyguard to bulletproof?
You're assuming that he had a conversation in the first place, maybe he just did his own thing, plenty of scum do

Also plenty of people have made "why would his teammates let him do that" kind of decisions, GP is a great example
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@Speedrace
Full claim please
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@Speedrace
somebody has to full claim this dp. It should be you, and it should be soon please.
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speed co sider my vote on you, as I am only refraining to prevent a quick hammer
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I'm at the point where Pie is either mafia hunting down an easy mislynch, but I felt that way with TUF mafia, or a Town seething at bad play or whatever. I think whiteflame was on my wagon that game, so while I like to put Lunatic in town, its possible that he's mafia, knows I'm town and rather focus on getting other better mislynches. So I know I might give Pie shit and he might be a try hard, but he's probably at the top of my town list. Its honestly frustrating that most, or at least a plurality of the posts in this game were related to me and it will mostly go to waste when I eventually get lynched and Town goes "lol shit play Earth" and everyone has to comb through and see who was on my wagon, who wasn't.


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I want a character claim from Lunatic.
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@Earth
how are you an easy mislych. It looks like pie had to put a lot of effort in for no results. 
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@Wylted
I probably would have been lynched if I reread my PM and realized I was Bulletproof. But that line of thinking is why I think Pie is town. 
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@Earth
I probably would have been lynched if I reread my PM and realized I was Bulletproof. But that line of thinking is why I think Pie is town. 
Huh
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@Earth
you should have stuck with the bodyguard claim either way. 
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I probably would have been lynched if I reread my PM and realized I was Bulletproof. But that line of thinking is why I think Pie is town. 
Huh

Don't make statements like "huh", "what" and other similar things please. 

That is a part of verbal communication that does not translate well, on a writing platform
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I really don’t like the bandwagon. They both did it last DP as well. I’m willing to pressure Speed for his claim at the very leas
Claims are kind of pointless. I don't see what we will accomplish by getting a fast food restaraunt and then unvoting like that makes all behavioral tells go away lol
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@Lunatic
what about role claims.
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Can we lynch disc or whiteflame please?
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@Wylted
Drawing out my mistake would just fuck over Town.
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@Speedrace
You're assuming that he had a conversation in the first place, maybe he just did his own thing, plenty of scum do
There was a whole night phase for this conversation to have happened. So basically the only way it didn't happen is if both scum are noobs...

Also plenty of people have made "why would his teammates let him do that" kind of decisions, GP is a great example
I don't see GP make a ton of slips like that outside of maybe live maifa where pressure can occur much quicker. But from the games I've modded where he's been scum he usually communicates and asks his scum partner what he should do or claim before claiming. 

The pace of his responses, and the low activity of the game in general allows him plenty of time to make calculated decisions with his partner if he's scum. Also I just don't think earth is that nooby. I've played in at least 5 games with him since he's been back. I can see someone messing up like that in like their first or second game. But apparently earth was playing here before I even made my return to mafia in 2018. As far as getting something mixed up in your PM, I see vets do it all the time. It's infuriating, but there just really isn't much scum motivation there to change the claim if you are actually scum for precisely the reason that is happening now, look how quickly you and disc jumped that wagon thoughtlessly. 
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@Earth
no, because you can draw a NK as bulletproof and get us an extra DP. It is one of those happy mistakes
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@Earth
So I know I might give Pie shit and he might be a try hard, but he's probably at the top of my town list. Its honestly frustrating that most, or at least a plurality of the posts in this game were related to me and it will mostly go to waste when I eventually get lynched and Town goes "lol shit play Earth" and everyone has to comb through and see who was on my wagon, who wasn't.
Arguments like these can be annoying. ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORREST FIRES.

Only you can redirect a phase to a more productive option. Frankly complaining that the conversation was stuck between wylted and oro dp1, to now complaining that it is about you doesn't solve the problem. Luckily we are still early in the phase 2, so what do you think is a better push and why? Be the change you want to see in the world!
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You are not even voting earth. What is going on?
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@Wylted
what about role claims.
I don't like the idea of pushing for claims at all actually. I think thats a DDO thing that just carried on over here. It's kind of backward thinking from a town perspective. On sites like epic mafia, or Mafia Universe I've noticed no one pressures for claims. You find scummy behavior, you call it out, and if their responses aren't satisfactory you lynch the player. If they have a claim that you feel is just too good to be fake, you can re-consider at that point, but behaviorally you just lynch the scummy player. We have a bad habit on this site of just unvoting immediately after someone claims, as if scum are never provided fake role claims, or aren't capable of big braining a claim. Long story short; role claiming doesn't just erase scummy behavior. That's why in pie's game I never asked badger for a claim once when I was "tunneling him" (according to him). 

Can we lynch disc or whiteflame please?
I could probably get on board one of these wagons, but I see no rush. I see speed acting scummily, and not really giving me any reason to think otherwise yet, but we should be questioning DD and whiteflame at the same time. I am doing that with disc atm regarding his vote on Earth. Whiteflame... More of a gut tell on him. He's saying the right things, but something still feels... off with him. 
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@Wylted
You are not even voting earth. What is going on?
If you are talking about me, I am just telling earth that if he is town his time is better spent trying to find a better lynch then and pursuading others of his thoughts, rather than stick to complaining that the whole phase is being wasted arguing about him. Would you not agree?
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I agree with the role claim point. I personally think speed is town and would like to see him role claim so others can look elsewhere and feel better about him
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@Lunatic
more like 

Earth, you are not voting. What is wrong? 
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I do agree with pretty much everything you said those last few posts as well
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@Earth
What are your reads, don't say null on everyone

Also vote somebody
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@Vader
did you provide any fake claims?
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This game unfairly advantages scum if both earth and speed are town. 
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@Speedrace
why are you not role claiming? 


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@Speedrace
if you have a protective role and refusing to claim to save earth, I will never forgive you