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@zedvictor4
Should U.S soldiers be charged with murder too.
Yes.
Abortion and covid
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@3RU7AL
the core disagreement in this debate will always be the question of whether we think of a fetus as a CITIZEN or not.
You have to be a human being before you can be a citizen
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@Athias
Should U.S soldiers be charged with murder too.Yes.
So should the entire institution be put in jail?
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@Athias
Vaccines have neither reduced nor prevented death.
Can you please explain your logic here. I’d especially love to know how you square this with the fact that about half the population is vaccinated and yet 99% of all COVID deaths are of the unvaccinated.
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@Double_R
So should the entire institution be put in jail?
No. The entire institution should be outlawed.
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@Double_R
Can you please explain your logic here. I’d especially love to know how you square this with the fact that about half the population is vaccinated and yet 99% of all COVID deaths are of the unvaccinated.
I have not been vaccinated; I have not died. Your ecological inferences are flawed. Try to understand your hyperbolic statistics. You said half the population has been vaccinated and yet 99% of COVID-related deaths are among the un-vaccinated. Let's for a moment indulge these statistics at face value. For example, the United States has a population over 330 million, about 210 million of which are adults. Thus far, there have been about 616,000 people who have died in the U.S. as a result of COVID--or so they state. 99% of that is 609, 840. According to the CDC, 165,637,566 people have been vaccinated which accounts for about 49.9 percent of the population. So, 50.1 of the unvaccinated would amount to 166,301,444. Now we take 609, 840 deaths of the unvaccinated, divide it by 166,301,444 of the un-vaccinated populace and multiply it by 100 to acquire the percentage. Do you know what that percentage is? 0.367%. Not even close to 1 percent. That means 99.633% of the un-vaccinated have survived after being exposed to this virus for almost two years.
Now there are studies that say that COVID deaths go as high as 900,000 in the U.S. Substitute this figure in the previous calculations and that would still mean that 99.464% of the un-vaccinated have survived after being exposed to this virus for almost two years. Your interpretation of your own statistics fail you, sir.
Furthermore, and this is important to note, vaccines inoculate; they do not cure, and they do not prevent. At the best, they help your immune system create the necessary antibodies. (Though the human immune system has demonstrated time and again that it's resilient enough to do this on it own.) And a simple grasp of logic should help one understand how its impossible to document a vaccine's "preventing death." First, with each individual, one would have to demonstrate that in the absence of vaccination, COVID would produce death, and that vaccination has staved off this prospect. And as I have stated, no such information has been provided.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Exactly.
Pro choice.
Selectively moral.
Like us all.
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@Athias
Being unvaccinated does not necessarily mean you will certainly die.
Firstly one needs to contract the virus.
Then one might or might not die as a result of contracting COVID.
Should one unfortunately contract COVID, a vaccine should increase ones chances of survival, especially if one is older and/or have a weakened immune system.
But you know all this.
You argument is unexpectedly illogical for some reason.
100% of people who have not contracted COVID, simply have not contracted COVID......In this instance, it doesn't matter if one is vaccinated or not
I'm still assuming that Trypanophobia is the reason for your illogic.
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@bmdrocks21
Would you consider it "immoral" to "deport" the gnome ?A gnome is an inanimate object. If an inanimate object is causing harm, then I don't care if you throw it out.Since I only care about people, then assuming it could die, I wouldn't care because a gnome is non-human.
gnome
noun
(in folklore) one of a species of diminutive beings, usually described as shriveled little old men, that inhabit the interior of the earth and act as guardians of its treasures; troll.
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@zedvictor4
Being unvaccinated does not necessarily mean you will certainly die.
You are significantly more likely to die from cancer and or heart-disease.
If you really want to "save human lives" ban refined sugar and red meat and lower all speed limits to below 55.
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@Double_R
and yet 99% of all COVID deaths are of the unvaccinated.
This "99%" includes ALL COVID related deaths, including those BEFORE the vaccines were made available.
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@Athias
That means 99.633% of the un-vaccinated have survived after being exposed to this virus for almost two years.
Well stated.
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@Double_R
the core disagreement in this debate will always be the question of whether we think of a fetus as a CITIZEN or not.You have to be a human being before you can be a citizen
Only CITIZENS have the full protection of the state.
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@Athias
or is it the zygote's/embryo's/fetus's physiological underdevelopment which renders it incapable of surviving outside of its mother's womb that causes its death?
EXOGENESIS FTW !!!
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@Fruit_Inspector
Voluntary suicide should be an option.For homeless people? Because they're poor?
For anyone and everyone who wants to get off this insane merry-go-round.
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@3RU7AL
Refined sugar is a useful product...... Though educate people not to consume it by the bagful. (Eat loads of sugary shit food)
And unprocessed red meat is as healthy as any protein substitute, but just don't eat a whole cow for lunch every day.
An unbalanced diet of processed food, which will undoubtedly contain sugar and meat derivatives, is the killer.
And of course sitting on ones backside all day avoiding movement as much as possible, isn't going to help either.
And cars will inevitably kill from time to time.....That's just a fact of cars.
And I'm not sure that 55 will make a great deal of difference.
And I'm not desperate to save anyone.
I know that my wife and daughters eat healthily and exercise regularly, but their fate will be their fate..... And because of the fact of cars, they or I may well meet our fate at 55 or less.
And all others need to look out for themselves.
Though that does not mean to say, that I wouldn't shout WATCH OUT THERE'S A CAR COMING!
But I won't be shouting GET OF YOUR FAT BACKSIDE YOU LAZY BASTARD! anytime soon.
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@zedvictor4
And I'm not desperate to save anyone.
Good to know.
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@Athias
Let me ask you directly in order to avoid strawmanning you: what responsibilities do you believe the mother bears as it concerns her pregnancy? Why is refusing her womb to her zygote/embryo/fetus immoral?
I believe that a mother is responsible to carry the baby until it is born without trying to kill it (or intentionally letting it die). If the zygote/embryo/fetus is a life and it is intentionally killed with no just reason, that is murder.
Of course, the "no just reason" part is where we deal with the extreme cases like rape or medical issues, but those are special cases.
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@zedvictor4
Well I suppose you could call it being "selectively moral" depending on what you mean. But I have a foundation for what I believe is right and wrong that is outside myself. I don't get to pick and choose based on my personal opinion.
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@3RU7AL
I see what you mean. But I will have to disagree with you on that.
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@Fruit_Inspector
But I have a foundation for what I believe is right and wrong that is outside myself.
Please explain.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I see what you mean. But I will have to disagree with you on that.
(IFF) a competent adult wishes to painlessly opt-out (THEN) what moral theory would deny them this option ?
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@3RU7AL
Noun
a small garden ornament in the form of a bearded man with a pointed hat.
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@bmdrocks21
Nouna small garden ornament in the form of a bearded man with a pointed hat.
Let's call it a puppy. A cute little puppy dog.
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@zedvictor4
Being unvaccinated does not necessarily mean you will certainly die.Firstly one needs to contract the virus.Then one might or might not die as a result of contracting COVID.Should one unfortunately contract COVID, a vaccine should increase ones chances of survival, especially if one is older and/or have a weakened immune system.
If one has a weakened immune system vaccines will do little if anything to help. In fact taking them could be dangerous to those with compromised immune systems.
You argument is unexpectedly illogical for some reason.
And yet, you will not explain to me what this reason is.
100% of people who have not contracted COVID, simply have not contracted COVID......In this instance, it doesn't matter if one is vaccinated or not
Exactly.
I'm still assuming that Trypanophobia is the reason for your illogic.
I'm not afraid of needles. And this is not an argument--not a substantiated one, anyway.
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@3RU7AL
EXOGENESIS FTW !!!
Haha!
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@Fruit_Inspector
I believe that a mother is responsible to carry the baby until it is born without trying to kill it (or intentionally letting it die).
Why does the mother bear a responsibility to carry the baby until it's born? What creates this responsibility?
If the zygote/embryo/fetus is a life and it is intentionally killed with no just reason, that is murder.
I disagree. Is there a just reason to intentionally kill? Our dispute however is whether "intentionally letting it die" constitutes murder. So let me cite a scenario: if a man knocks on my door claiming he needs to enter my home because some raging psychopath intends to kill him, and I decided not to let him in, did I murder him?
Of course, the "no just reason" part is where we deal with the extreme cases like rape or medical issues, but those are special cases.
If extreme cases like rape and medical issues mitigate her responsibility to carry the baby until it's born, then can I fairly assume that your notions of her responsibility are contingent on the idea that she is responsible because she elects to have sex under circumstances where coitus is voluntary? That is, an action she herself controls?
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@3RU7AL
Per post #171, the Bible is my source of ethics. It is objective since it is outside myself. In a general sense, it functions similar to the U.S. Constitution.
(IFF) a competent adult wishes to painlessly opt-out (THEN) what moral theory would deny them this option ?
Simply put, suicide is murdering yourself.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Of course, the "no just reason" part is where we deal with the extreme cases like rape or medical issues, but those are special cases.
Why do you think the circumstances leading to the conception of the child (and or any incidental "medical issues") would have any effect whatsoever on the proposed "moral" responsibility or the proposed implicit contract between the foetus and the womb ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Per post #171, the Bible is my source of ethics. It is objective since it is outside myself. In a general sense, it functions similar to the U.S. Constitution.
Why do you think different factions of christians have historically slaughtered each other ?
Is there one specific interpretation of the "ethics" outlined in the holy scriptures that is superior to any other ?