Homosexuality

I'm a Catholic and pretty okay with the status quo where a church can refuse to marry a gay couple

What should happen to a man that lies with another man as one lies with a woman?

Nothing.

I agree with that. Does Leviticus 20:13 agree with us?

It wasn't until the last 100 years or so that the word 'homosexuality' started appearing in the Bible. 

You're going based on your own intepretation that therefore the entire church should be allowed to discriminate??? DO you not understand what kind of precedent that sets?

This is objectively wrong. Per the Bureau of Justice Statistics in 2019 "There were 5.3 times as many violent incidents committed by black offenders against white victims (472,570) as were committed by white offenders against black victims (89,980)." Since white people outnumber black people in the US around 6-1 this ratio should be reverse. If white people were the most dangerous people, as you allege, the ratio should actually be 7+ white on black crimes for every black on white crime, the reality is the exact opposite. 

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf

Firstly, this is based.

It wasn't until the last 100 years or so that the word 'homosexuality' started appearing in the Bible. 

I'm unsure about that.

Their first argument was the term, "homosexuality" wasn't invented until the 1800s.  However, these same people often claim the Bible was referring to pedophilia.  But the term "pedophilia" wasn't invented until around the same time.

Agree with everything you said. Also want to point out that amazingly the FBI STILL doesn't disaggregate Hispanic people from White people in their statistics so a large chunk of that 41.1% is Hispanic. Once you adjust for age Hispanics don't have a much higher rate of violent crime than white people do so it isn't the majority of the 41%, perhaps a quarter, but still.

And the suggestion that white people are the most arrogant is just laughable. I've never seen a more self loathing group of people in my life. This kind of rhetoric scares me to death

If your a gay person and you want to spend the rest of your life with another gay person, why can't you just get a civil union instead of a marriage?  Marriage is a religious institution.

Because of this I think gay people should get civil unions/secular marriages so they aren't forcing the church to do something that violates their religious beliefs.

Civil unions are inferior because they frequently don't come with certain legal benefits, like federal recognition for tax and other purposes along with recognition in other states should the couple move from one to the other.

Yes, didn't God really kill Jesus because he was gay? 

Incorrect - over-patrolling in black communities lead to this increased statistic. Furthermore, I never said anything about what people oppose, I'm talking about fundamentalism - which White people tend to be apart of more often. I said nothing about them supporting gay marriage more, please read more thoroughly. 

"The United States is estimated to consist of about 97% rural areas, though only about one-fifth of the population resides in these areas.[1] According to the U.S. Census Bureau, rural areas are less dense, more sparsely populated areas.[2] Because rural areas are faced with unique challenges, police in rural areas may face complications and issues that police officers in urban areas do not. These problems can place a strain on rural police departments, making their jobs more difficult. For example, officers in rural police departments typically must travel longer distances and experience longer wait times for backup when responding to calls for service.[3] Additionally, research has shown that smaller police departments, like those found in rural areas, spend less money per officer and resident, but have higher clearance rates than departments in urban areas.[4] This article will discuss issues in rural policing such as recruiting, maintaining, and training officers, technology used by rural departments, community relations, bias-based policing, factors influencing stress among officers, and data illustrating rates of offenses reported to the police and rates of arrests in rural Illinois counties."

I restate my case against Franklin, over-policing in poorer areas, where there are more black people, leads to increases in the stats. 

"The United States is estimated to consist of about 97% rural areas, though only about one-fifth of the population resides in these areas.[1] According to the U.S. Census Bureau, rural areas are less dense, more sparsely populated areas.[2] Because rural areas are faced with unique challenges, police in rural areas may face complications and issues that police officers in urban areas do not. These problems can place a strain on rural police departments, making their jobs more difficult. For example, officers in rural police departments typically must travel longer distances and experience longer wait times for backup when responding to calls for service.[3] Additionally, research has shown that smaller police departments, like those found in rural areas, spend less money per officer and resident, but have higher clearance rates than departments in urban areas.[4] This article will discuss issues in rural policing such as recruiting, maintaining, and training officers, technology used by rural departments, community relations, bias-based policing, factors influencing stress among officers, and data illustrating rates of offenses reported to the police and rates of arrests in rural Illinois counties."

"Poverty frequently grips America’s minorities, many of whom live and work in isolated rural areas. Rural blacks living in small towns in the South, for example, face longstanding traditions of racial discrimination and economic oppression. More recently, Hispanics have dispersed from gateway cities into new rural destinations in the Midwest and South, often to work for low wages in meatpacking plants, agriculture, or construction. Poverty rates in America’s Indian reservations are exceedingly high. More than one-half of residents in some reservation communities are poor. Social exclusion and isolation in poor communities often reinforce racial and class inequality. Indeed, geographic and social mobility often go hand in hand. To get somewhere in life often means you have to go elsewhere. Unfortunately, rural minorities, elderly people, and the uneducated poor have few residential options that represent a step forward. Those who move often circulate between poor neighbor"

"Hispanics now comprise 17% of the American population; African Americans are 13%, East Asians 5%, and whites 63%. The Hispanic population is concentrated along the southern border with Mexico, in states such as Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas; many Hispanics also live in Florida, after migrating there from Cuba. A segment of the Hispanic population in the United States consists of unauthorized immigrants: about 6 million persons of Mexican origin are residing in the country illegally, out of a total of 53 million Hispanics (USA population in 2013 was 316 million). Their migration/ citizenship status renders their relations with the police somewhat different than whites and African Americans. In general, Hispanics have a worse relationship with the police than whites but better than African Americans. This pattern can be traced to both the historical conditions under which each group entered the country as well as their contemporary treatment CPS 35 Ethnic profiling en interne diversiteit bij de politie.indd 129 3/04/15 13:59 Ronald Weitzer & Rod K. Brunson 130 CPS 2015-2, nr. 35 by officers and their group-level perceptions of the police. Rather than a single ‘minority group’ orientation to the police, the general pattern is a racial hierarchy ta"

Discrimination is not one of those things bud

the bible says nothing about going to hell for marrying gay people. Read me the verse that does and you might convince me. 

"Most of Leviticus 18 deals directly with incest. Notably, the list of laws from Leviticus 18 is reordered in Leviticus 20.  In Leviticus 18 the order of the topics is ambiguous, but in chapter 20 the so-called homosexual law appears within a list referring to incest.[21] Lings’ linguistic study leads him to conclude that Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 continue the theme of incestuous relationships.[22] Thus, the passage should be paraphrased: “Sexual intercourse with a close male relative should be just as abominable to you as incestuous relationships with female relatives.”[23] Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 forbids male incestuous relations."

1 Corinthians 6:9