The many debates on systemic racism in America are flawed

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I believe any policy that has an EXPLICIT and specific reference to skin-tone, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion and or creed should be deleted.
And since Affirmative Action gives preference to non-white people in terms of race, that would be an example of systemic racism against white people, correct?
We already covered this.

Yes, they're "both bad" but not nearly to the same degree, and it's somewhat shocking that anyone would even attempt to equate the two.
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Yes, they're "both bad" but not nearly to the same degree, and it's somewhat shocking that anyone would even attempt to equate the two.
I agree. Explicit systemic racism is far worse than super secret invisible racism.

I am genuinely glad that you disagree with Affirmative Action type policies. But rest assured, the narrative put forth by Critical Race Theory will continue to create more and more explicit discrimination against white people. I assume you saw the recent scandal of a school segregating classes based on skin color? I believe it was in Oregon.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/elementary-school-allegedly-created-black-classes-to-segregate-students-one-parent-is-fighting-back/ar-AANdlzh
Here is a news article. I haven't looked deeply into it. From what I saw, the school did address it so I wouldn't consider that incident systemic. But I would argue that it is the result of a CRT mindset that caused the incident.
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Critical Race Theory
Although I think we can agree that skin-tone should be deleted from POLICY, I don't believe skin-tone should be deleted from HISTORY.
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Although I think we can agree that skin-tone should be deleted from POLICY, I don't believe skin-tone should be deleted from HISTORY.
But history does not justify current discrimination. That is what is happening today explicitly against white people.
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Although I think we can agree that skin-tone should be deleted from POLICY, I don't believe skin-tone should be deleted from HISTORY.
But history does not justify current discrimination. That is what is happening today explicitly against white people.
What are you talking about ?
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hes tryna make it sound like CRT is a huge problem right now as most conservatives did suddenly (ron desantis) (tucker carlson).
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Although I think we can agree that skin-tone should be deleted from POLICY, I don't believe skin-tone should be deleted from HISTORY.
But history does not justify current discrimination. That is what is happening today explicitly against white people.
What are you talking about ?
Practically no one is arguing to delete slavery or segregation from American history. But CRT advocates are arguing to use those historical events to justify current discrimination against whites. We have explicit and demonstrable evidence of this in Affirmative Action on a systemic level, and on a personal levels in examples like the Oregon school segregating classes by race.
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hes tryna make it sound like CRT is a huge problem right now as most conservatives did suddenly (ron desantis) (tucker carlson).
It's been a problem for a long time. It has only become mainstream recently, hence the increased response. 
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knew it.  Whats wrong about it? you dont agree with it? I dont even agree with some of the things critical race theory sometimes advocates for (affirmative action) (sometimes segregation) i dont think we should ban it. its not like there's a huge problem of it being taught in elementary schools.
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But CRT advocates are arguing to use those historical events to justify current discrimination against whites.
Why am I not panic stricken ?
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knew it. Whats wrong about it? you dont agree with it? I dont even agree with some of the things critical race theory sometimes advocates for (affirmative action) (sometimes segregation) i dont think we should ban it. its not like there's a huge problem of it being taught in elementary schools.
The concept of systemic racism is directly derived from Critical Race Theory. It picked up a few other ideologies along the way like Intersectionality. But at its core, it is the same oppressor/oppressed mindset of Marxism. And it is now everywhere, including elementary schools. It is also the basis for policies like Affirmative Action
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lol please provide evidence its being taught in elementary schools widely around the world.
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Why am I not panic stricken ?
Because you don't see the Marxist foundations of the ideology. Or you don't see the problems with Marxism.
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lol please provide evidence its being taught in elementary schools widely around the world.
I am speaking in the context of the U.S.
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you know what i mean------ please provide evidence its being taught in elementary schools widely around america
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you know what i mean------ please provide evidence its being taught in elementary schools widely around america
You need evidence that the concept of systemic racism is being pushed in the public education system?
How about this: do you personally believe that the idea of systemic racism and white privilege should be taught in elementary schools? Because if you do, that is evidence that there are people out there who want it taught in elementary schools.
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i asked for evidence that it is being taught in elementary schools not if there are people who want it to be taught in school. I do not think the idea of systemic racism and white privilege should be taught in elementary the most i think should be taught is that racism is bad. in college yes it should be taught in sociology and or law.

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Why shouldn't it be taught in elementary schools?
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great question. I just don't think we should be talking to 10 year olds about how america is structurally racist.
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So if the NEA - the largest teacher union - is pushing for the concept of systemic racism as found in CRT to be taught in k-12 public education, is it an alarmist attitude to be concerned that CRT is being taught in the mainstream of public education (including elementary schools)?
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But at its core, it is the same oppressor/oppressed mindset of Marxism.
MARX DID NOT INVENT OPPRESSION
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Why am I not panic stricken ?
Because you don't see the Marxist foundations of the ideology. Or you don't see the problems with Marxism.
I have no opinion of "Marxism".

How afraid should I be and why ?
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I just don't think we should be talking to 10 year olds about how america is structurally racist.
Why not ?
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why not?
i suppose I haven't thought about this much. i guess i have no opinion on that matter
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Why not?
10 points 3ru.  Listened to NPR interview with man who wrote book on history of advertising that racialized soap and other cleaning products.  



.." Oct 11, 2017  Dove, How Do You Get So Clean and White? A Racist Trope Reemerges ".


Also the interview talked about how white white  celebrity Aston Kutcher{?} stated recently in some interview, that, he maybe showers once a week and only washes is armpits.

So in greater context of advertising ---that, ex included the company product  { soap } could turn a black person white--- if a black celebrity stated same thing, bating only once a week,  the culture perspective would be not be the same, and  that includes even blacks because they have also been caught in the racial sterotyping for 150 years of black is dirty and they need to be more white.

That is why blacks also straightened their hair in some past decades.


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that link is insane.

Dove Soap intended to celebrate diversity. At least that is what its owner Unilever said after public outcry shamed it into pulling an advertisement for its body wash showing a black woman removing her brown shirt to reveal a white woman in a light shirt. In a Facebook post on October 8, Dove stated: “The short video was intended to convey that Dove body wash is for every woman and be a celebration of diversity, but we got it wrong.
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 if we are comparing personal monetary wealth -something that is repeatedly done by Critical Race Theorists -
Critical race theory (a college elective course) examined the effects of past and current racism and part of that is the wealth inequality between the privileged people and oppressed people. This has nothing to do with their worth as people and to suggest otherwise muddies the waters of thos discussion. 
There is no actual racism that can be pointed to. It's super secret invisible racism.
This is incorrect. Implicit racism can be seen and pointed out just as explicit racism despite racists not being explicit in order to avoid the social and political backlash. 
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This is incorrect. Implicit racism can be seen and pointed out just as explicit racism despite racists not being explicit in order to avoid the social and political backlash.

I think Fruit inspector ---and his ilk and even  blacks--  may have had a brain 'white-washing' in his cultural lifetime.  See above post 176 and 177.  Crazy insane stuff but true. 


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In 1900, Charles Carroll's The Negro A Beast claimed that blacks were more akin to apes than to human beings, and theorized that blacks had been the "tempters of Eve."  You don't have an original copy do you?