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Oromagi               Julian Lane                   INNOCENT CHILD
TOWN
Polyglot                 Kamaru Usman         MILLER
iLikePie5
drlebronksi
Whiteflame
greyparrot           James McSweeny       JAILKEEPER
Supa
Wylted
MisterChris             Chris Leben
Earth                       Junie Browning              VANILLA
SCUM


Oro- 1 /6- poly
Wylted- 1/6- MisterChris
Greyparrot- 1/ 6-  drlebronski
polyglot- 1/6- wylted
Earth- 4/6- iLikePie5, oro, earth, greyparrot


Not Voting:  supa, whiteflame


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Earth leans slight town to me. If 4 people want him lynched and need my help, you'll need to give me a case. My preferred targets are chris, poly and supa
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@Lunatic
Wait I didn't vote myself. I voted Oro.
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@Lunatic
is your vote count accurate
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@Earth
Can you fix your list? I can't read that shit.

turn your phone sideways
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@oromagi
I basically gave you my wincon back in post 270
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Oromagi               Julian Lane                   INNOCENT CHILD
TOWN
Polyglot                 Kamaru Usman         MILLER
iLikePie5
drlebronksi
Whiteflame
greyparrot           James McSweeny       JAILKEEPER
Supa
Wylted
MisterChris             Chris Leben
Earth                       Junie Browning              VANILLA
SCUM


Oro- 1 /6- poly, earth
Wylted- 1/6- MisterChris
Greyparrot- 1/ 6-  drlebronski
polyglot- 1/6- wylted
Earth- 3/6- iLikePie5, oro,, greyparrot


Not Voting:  supa, whiteflame


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@oromagi
could be a vote thief or something. I would not assume lunatics count is off .

Who brought up vote thief earlier? It seems relevant.

I think it was pie.
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@Earth
I basically gave you my wincon back in post 270

but basically is not actually and actually is sometimes the revelatory difference in this game.

I am basically VANILLA, too, but not giving INNOCENT CHILD precisely could give TOWN a reason to lynch.
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If someone will vote thief me, then it only proves I'm town.
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@oromagi
could be a vote thief or something. I would not assume lunatics count is off .

Who brought up vote thief earlier? It seems relevant.

I think it was pie.
Pie thought I might be a VOTE THIEF but thieving in DP1 is not consistent with the usual ROLE

Vote Thief


Vote Thief
Alias:
  • Politician
Alignment:
any
Role type:
  • Voting
Choice:
  • Night
Vote Thief is a role that can target a player at Night to steal their vote during the following Day.
For balance reasons, Vote Thief is usually Town-aligned.
Use and Power
Town-aligned Vote Thieves can steal other players' votes. The only practical positive effect of this is to allow for "beyond ELo" play; situations such as "2 town 2 scum", which are normally an immediate loss for town, can still be winnable (if very difficult) if the Vote Thief repeatedly steals votes from scum to prevent them forcing a no elimination. Along similar lines, the role could potentially be used to bait scum into making quickhammers that won't actually work (although you will need to rely on some other townie to place someone at E-1).
The role can, however, have a nasty negative effect if the Vote Thief is killed during the Night, rendering one player Voteless during the next Day.
Scum-aligned Vote Thieves have one more vote to their faction's credit as long as the Vote Thief is alive. In order to balance this like in a normal game, this means the scum team has one fewer member than usual and gets hosed if the Vote Thief dies.

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There can be day phase roles. Wouldn't put it past Lunatic. Either way, we should learn why I voted myself.

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@ILikePie5
I'm willing to get on this one. Didn't get a good chance to see how Earth responded to pressure as scum in the last game (hard to say whether he vanished after we started sussing him purposefully or because he had something else going on), but it is strange that he got so defensive under this line of questioning. I still don't think trying to uncover scum by scrutinizing wincons makes a whole lot of sense in this game given the variety we've seen so far, but behaviorally, Earth seemed to be engaging in quite a bit of deflection. Not terribly strange that he'd get frustrated, but he still seems  conctooerned with digging into things that aren't likely to matter as a means of drawing attention elsewhere (a mistake in the vote count/allocation is far more likely than that there is an active day phase vote thief that just gave themselves away). That stands out as scummy to me.

VTL Earth
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unvote vtl earth


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Unvotw
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Official vote count

Oro- 1 /6- poly
Wylted- 1/6- MisterChris
polyglot- 1/6- wylted
Earth- 4/6- , oro, greyparrot, whiteflame, drlebronski


Not Voting:  supa, pie, earth

(Sorry for messing up the vote earlier)


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@Earth
Am correct in claiming your role is Vanilla Town. You’re not any other role correct?

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I'm gonna re-read Earth. I've caught up but I'm not liking a lot of the microaggression to a very passive topic. While I do agree somewhat with what Earth is saying, his shark comebacks and one liners come off as defensive and scum trying to manipulate a conversation.

VTL Earth

My activity has been on and off today, did work and went shopping for suits today, but I did re-read some of Earth's posts and his microaggression definitely don't sit right with me. I've always stated that lynching quickly is bad town meta, but Earth seems like the best lynch target 
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Unvotw
Didn't you just say you were comfortable with this lynch? Did you have a change of heart?
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I would also to point out that drlebronski hasn't done much this game but now comes on and puts a vote on Earth
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Oro- 1 /6- poly
Wylted- 1/6- MisterChris
polyglot- 1/6- wylted
Earth- 5/6- , oro, greyparrot, whiteflame, drlebronski, supadudz


Not Voting: pie, earth


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@ILikePie5
Yes I know and that's one reason I am OK with his lynch, but what he's saying in general about the whole analyzation of justifications and wincons is not inaccurate, especially if the OP states that they should focus on behavior. 

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Also I would not rule out Greyparrot as town just because he played by his meta. He's been tunneling Pie early on despite Pie's overall town vibe and behavior. I think Pie might be the most town here 
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@Vader
Eh I was omgussing Pie looking for a reaction
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@ILikePie5
Are you trolling me?
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@Earth
Just confirming. In case you want to change your claim, etc after being L-1
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Wait we still have time left

Unvote

We have more time in the DP to discuss, I'd rather not quickly jump to lynches, but I don't have a problem with voting Earth if we all come to a consensus
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@ILikePie5
You are wasting town's time.
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Official vote count

Oro- 1 /6- poly
Wylted- 1/6- MisterChris
polyglot- 1/6- wylted
Earth- 4/6- , oro, greyparrot, whiteflame, drlebronski


Not Voting: pie, earth, supadudz


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@Vader
It’s a consensus 

VTL earth