---Star Trek Deep Space Nine (DS9) Mafia: DP1---

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Nvm, i initially reacted with a TR. Aporia then outted it was contrived, to which you said it's a reaction test.

My b, I was distracted, misremembered the order of events. So, because most people read you as a noob town in that game, when you were scum, you figured it would be useful as a reaction test? Which is why even though you realized you'd be outted, you acted like that anyways.

I'm still not following how thats low risk... That's guaranteeing you'll be viewed suspiciously, as contrivance of posts is suspect AF. So what do you mean by low risk? As it can't be low risk of being seen as suspect, unless your intent was to not get caught to begin with. Which in that case, how did you plan on justifying the reads gained off the test without explaining the test itself, and by consequence outting it was contrived? 

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Its the first Dp. Gotta get conversation going somehow. Its not controversial to start the gane with pressure on someone just to guage a reaction. Budda wasnt arguing that I was wrong for that but that I was wrong for specifically targeting a player who is experienced. We disagree on that but his opinion on the matter checks out with past gameplay. His meta seems to align with newb pressure as scum as well as town just glancing at his last two games in the Bloodline (was town and began by pressuring a newb) and US mafia (was scum and began by pressuring a newb) games.

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@Buddamoose
Just want to point out that he responded to you calling his post out before I noticed it. He said that literally as I was reading one of his past games and realized something was sus I believe.
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@Aporia
You never asked for reasoning when you voted for me. Post 38 you ask where Budda's claim is and post 39 you randomly vote for me instead. 

Post 38

Where is Budda claim

Post 39

I don't see it. Until then, VTL Aporia

Post 136

I asked for your reasoning on why you voted Budda

VTL Supadudz
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@Aporia
You litteraly implied that Budda had a claim
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Scum team is Aporia and Budda confirmed. I honestly am so fucking lost and their logic is insane
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@Aporia
Vtl budda for claim
I misread what you said.

I think your logic is stupid why you VTLed him, but it makes u 45% less scummy knowing you were asking for a claim

Unvote 

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Budda is scum

VTL Budda

Your explanation is nothing. Your posts you make don't make sense into reasoning of why you are voting me. I think you are 100% scum and should be instantly lynched right now

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@ArgentTongue
I think your analysis is true and very thought out. However in mafia, bussing is where you try pointing the blame or purposely disagreeing or VTLing each other to try to cause people to think y'all are on different teams when both are scum. It is a rarity, but Budda is experienced enough and Aporia has some experience to execute it perfectly fooling noob players to vote for one or the other causing no suspicion to the other maf 
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Supa what is yer character?
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LWAXANNA TROI
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it is all caps because i wouldn't know how to spell the name, so i copy and pasted how bsh spelled it
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@Vader
So, to get this straight

-You agree with Aporia its beneficial to pressure experienced players during RVS, but think his logic for voting me is stupid, despite his reasoning being what you agreed with? 

-its also scummy of other players to point out things that appear sus, like idk, saying you thought Aporias vote was to lynch and not get a claim, despite posting

Where is buddas claim?

Which look an awful lot like you knew he wanted my claim. 

-And you it to be held you are still assuming RVS(opening) votes are for lynches, despite it being made clear in previous games thats not the case that you have been a part of where you have made such  observations previously, to even hold your posts are genuine and not contrived.

And because those things aren't being believed, and I think they look suspect, this means I'm scum? 

Nice

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So we can actually reveal our character names?

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Yes
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VIC FONTAINE
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@Buddamoose
OK so basically your response is dumb. Am I not allowed to agree with something they say. I agree personally with his views on that situation, but him VTLing for some bullshit is not what I agree with.

For example, if I say, I help special needs people and donate money and help them learn because they are people too, you would agree right?

But then If i say, I hate all fucking black people and they are just satans creatures who need to die, you would disagree with me right?

So your logic is that you should hate special needs people and hate black people because you disagree with one statement made by the person, therefore you should contradict every policy they have. You can hate the person for saying that, but if you agree on that we should help special needs people, you agree with me even though you hate me for saying "I hate blacks." 

Do you understand why your logic is flawed?
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@Buddamoose
Well I am sorry I am in school and focus on more important things than a mafia forum I should just be damned to hell and get huge dick slap by Satan right now for not comprehending something. Yes it happens to everyone, but I should just die for having a brain fart.(Obviously sarcasm) 

And I see you scum because posts don't explain your RVS at all. It is just me talking and you are still VTLing me for no reason. You jump on a wagon with Aroria for no reason to get me lynched. I never talked to you other than my agreement which I stated above. So you basically just hopped on my wagon for no reason, huh? 
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Unvote

A quick wiki of Lwxanna shows she was only in a handful of episodes. My character is herself specific to season 7 and Lwxanna appeared in season 7, so I'm liable to think she could be a potential character in the game.

Does anybody else's role contain bsh1's personal disposition toward their character or others? It could just be specific to my character because they're one of a line of hosts for a symbiote and its basically along the lines of, "I didn't like you as much as the previous (actress), im bitter she was replaced and it sucked how she left so heres a crappy role 😂. 

The word "oodles" was used unironically 😂, oodles.

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It doesnt seem like bsh's feelings came into play with my character.

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@Buddamoose
Unvote Supa for now. Until we know how Bsh1 assigned character affiliations Im content with just the CC. His character mostly appeared in the next generation with only three deepspace9 appearances. Does anyone elses characrer appear in both series?
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My character appeare once in season 7 and in basically every season.
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Bussing is where you try pointing the blame or purposely disagreeing or VTLing each other to try to cause people to think y'all are on different teams when both are scum.
Even with that as a possibility, it leaves us with two very likely conditions out of three that are feasible.

Option A - Both are scum and are attempting to pull off a buss early in the match.

Option B - One of them is scum, and is attempting to remove a skilled player that they view as a concerning and unknown factor.

Option C - Neither of them are scum, and are pursuing aggressive and sporadic accusations.

Reasoning...

Option A - If they are bussing, they are doing a very good job at it. What I find interesting about this theory is that Aporia went from a very strong and vindicated accusation of Budda to essentially confirming him as a member of the town. As far as I could see, most of the argument between them concerned their varying strategic approaches to the game rather than the validity of the accusation Aporia leveled itself. I would rate this as the second most likely option.

Option B - If only one of them is scum, then I would point the finger at Aporia. I don't think (From my understanding) that it would be a wise tactic as a member of the town to instigate spotty speculation on who is scum and who is not. At the very least, pick someone and prosecute their case to the fullest extent you can, rather than abort and choose a new target. Eventually you may lead another town member to being lynched. I would rate this as the first most likely option.

Option C - This is the least likely option as far as I am concerned. I think at least one of them is scum. This option would entail both being town members while doing some things that I do not necessarily read as townsfolk. Then again, I may be wrong, and in that case I would vote to lynch myself.

Recap...

Option A - 2nd most likely

Option B - 1st most likely

Option C - Least most likely


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My character is exclusively a holodeck character that appears only in DS9 to my knowledge.
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When did I accuse Budda of being scum?
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Vote Count

Budda (2/7) - Wylted, Supa
Wylted (1/7) - Grey
Aporia (1/7) - Argent
Lunatic (1/7) - Vaar

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@Aporia
Correct me if I am mistaken, but you voted for him to either by lynched or investigated, which means you have suspicions regarding his affiliation. Since it is the intent of town members to be wary and make accusations (And mafia to some extent) I would say that it was insinuated.


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@Aporia
Actually, the more that I think about it, the more I think Supa is selling poor town play way too hard. If we're to hold his defense as truthful and him not sus by consequence, requires that he saw ur vote for me, but somehow thought you were voting me for what i had claimed, when your post was the very first post of the game(excluding the OP). 

Beyond that, to also have us hold, that hes played in a few games already, and is still percieving RVS votes as being for death by default, when not a damn RVS vote in any game ive played with him has been for a lynch, its always been for a claim. And this same issue has come up as well.

I'm just saying, "I thought you were voting him because of his claim", when it was the first post of the game? That's just not believable fmpov. 
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@ArgentTongue
Correct me if I am mistaken, but you voted for him to either by lynched or investigated, which means you have suspicions regarding his affiliation

Usually this is correct, but his vote was during RVS, which usually means it doesn't imply suspicion, rather, it's necessary to get the game rolling and exit the "random voting stage". 

How would a person have suspicions about anybody in the first post of the game? 

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It's necessary to get the game rolling and exit the "random voting stage"
Oh, That makes sense. However, he made some more implications later on in your discourse.