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Oh, That makes sense. However, he made some more implications later on in your discourse.

Ok that's great, and what does that have to do with the motive behind placing the vote? 
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I understand that the initial vote had no motivation behind it other than to kick start the match. What I am saying is that there were some pretty clear indicators that he was accusing you of being scum later on in the argument.
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That's all.

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I never accused Budda of being scum outright. I wasnt necessarily sold on him being town but thats the nature of the game when yer town. You just cant be sure who anyone is. But even so I think yer mistaking our debating our personal RVS methods with suspicion. 
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Ok I am back from work ...expect a big write-up soon
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Also, when those later discussions explicitly discussed RVS strategy and benefits/harms of respective strats, and only reinforced his initial vote placement was to generate content/get me to claim.

Post #45 which came after a string of posts having a SoP argument, (21, 41, 42)

you said it yerself that the point of RVS is to generate discussion and content
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Where at all did he implicate suspicions? The very first post he gave a gauge of my affiliation was to say i was coming across as town.

Post #53

Yer a mostly null read rn but I'm starting to lean town

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Fair enough. I was just poking around seeing if I could get a read on anyone.

UNVOTE Aporia.
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I dont disagree with anything you said about Supa. We can hear from more peeps (I still have questions about Parrot) and maybe get a fuller claim from him if we can get a vote going. Its still earky thankfully.
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Alrighty then...first off I am surprised that zero people asked me any questions about my early claim...but that's fine.

Secondly, Buddha knows my meta more than anyone here having recently played 3 games with him here...once where he was mod, and 1 a piece where we were opposite affiliations.

This is the really weird behavior I got from Buddha's behavior so far. So far he has spearheaded a soft defense of me... without asking me a single question, unlike wylted, vaarka, warren, and spinko. Right after that he attempts to form a "town block" on post #76 with aporia and warren.... with really lame reasoning from post #70.   Warren enters the game at post #40. Buddha claims Warren is town from post #40, a simple intro post, on post #51. And as Spinko correctly said, warren is far from new, yet Buddha labels him as a new player as an excuse to put him into his convenient town pile for a quick "town bloc" post on #76.

All of this makes buddha slightly susp....

But this is the thing I just can't get beyond...it seems like buddha is actively trying to avoid me by not asking me anything...that's something he NEVER did in any of the games I have played with him on day 1...ever. While he actively engages with everyone else...he seems to be avoiding me like the plague.

Putting all this together forces me to put Buddha in the solid scum pile.
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UNVOTE VTL BUDDHA
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Scum team is Aporia and Budda confirmed. I honestly am so fucking lost and their logic is insane
I agree with budda. No scum hunting from him just contrived logic and acting like he is confused about the good logic of others
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I dont disagree with anything you said about Supa. We can hear from more peeps (I still have questions about Parrot) and maybe get a fuller claim from him if we can get a vote going. Its still early thankfully.
This is the kind of post a towny would make.

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Bruh you opened by bw'ing like you have done in I'm pretty sure every recent game but beginners 1.1. What did you expect i would ask? 

"Hey, why are you opening the same way you usually do?" 
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better formatting

I think Buddamooseis scum. All of his analysis seems contrived. He also seems like hewould rather insult people’s logic (using logical fallacies to doso) rather than scum hunt.

“This actuallydoes not provide a reason for why, a self proclaimed narcissist,would cede control of a DP, amd bw onto a wagon based upon reasoningyou were explicit and clear that you didn't agree with.”

In this postbuddamoose pretends as if he doesn’t realize that you can disagreewith somebody’s strategy of targeting experienced players first,without criticizing their choice of who to target. I might thinkBuddamoose is good to target for reasons not pertaining toexperience, but he pretends as if that is impossible.

“ Then youare pretty much admitting you pulled that reasoning out of ur rear?Cause, to get this straight, GP is not sus for bw'ing because becausehe idolizes you so that explains why, but him idolizing you actuallyisnt going to generally cause a bw. “

In this postbuddamoose pretends as if he doesn’t realize somebody can have ahigher than normal chance of band wagoning me and still not be amindless ape. He acts like he doesn’t understand the role influenceplays and is insinuating the only two options are mindless ape orsomeebody who is a completely independent thinker. This is not badlogic on budda’s part this is all contrived. If it wasn’t thanatleast one thing he says would point to genuine scum hunting asopposed to just questioning the logic of others and making contrivedstatements based on obviously faulty logic.

“s i said, if youare forming a gameplan in say football, you don't form a gameplanaround attacking the cornerback that's a veteran and is considered aformidable corner, you go after the rookie, it simply put generatessuccess far more often than going after that veteran who has seen itall before. “

This is ridiculous,besides the obvious reason that we don’t actually know who theopposing team is, it could be us attacking the rookie on our team, itjust isn’t necessarily true of good strategy. Sometimes you attackthe strong corner because you have the best receiver in the league,and the rookie corner is also guarding a rookie. Or maybe the otherteam is playing Man with one corner but using the zone defense on theother side of the field which is tough to throw against particularlyif your quarterback is a rookie.

“2 wagons with 1vote each during RVS, does not derail a game by a third person going,"neither of you two are pressuring smartly" and voting adifferent person. In fact, that is fmpov what a townie would do. Why?The goal of town is for town to control the direction of DP's. On DP1one doesn't know who is or is not town, so if you see people placingvotes you disagree with, as town you attempt to assert control anddrive it in a direction you agree with because the only player oneknows is conclusively town or strong town during RVS, is ones”

More obviouslycontrived logic. During RVS in most games you have about 5 differentwagons in the beginning because most people in the town pile are lowIQ individuals. Unless you have a town read on somebody it is betterto go after an already established target to begin generating readsthan form a new wagon that is entirely useless. We need to supporteach other unless we have a town read on somebody that is beingtargeted, otherwise the game won’t progree. Budda knows this thoughand is just intentially and knowingly using stupid logic.

“On a final note,if the purpose of your pressure was to get me to produce content togauge affiliation, congrats, the content has been produced. So whereis your read. If you haven't been able to gauge it yet, howschocking, it's almost as if its harder to gauge experienced playersaffiliation. “

Your cockiness isastounding, you suck at mafia which is why we already have a scumread on you. Instead of using contrived logic, you should have beenusing good logic. You are easy to see through.

'”m just sayingdude, it's becoming pretty obvious your letting him bw'ing you affecthow your viewing his behavior. I get it, you don't want to FoSsomeone who bw'd you because then they'll usually stop bw'ing you.But he's gonna stop anyways because he never agreed with your wagonto begin with. So once another wagon gains comparable steam, he'sgonna abandon voting with you anyways, whether or not his motive isto generate a wagon ASAP, which doesn't make sense as a motiveanyways.”

Obviously bad andcontrived logic. Yes you should build wagons early and support onesthat you might not prefer if that is what it takes to build them. Iwant to generate reads fast and progress the game at a very rapidpace.

“Faking posts isntindicative of affiliation... and it's not risky... okay bud.”

It’s usuallyindicative of affiliation, unless it’s me. You should also be scumreading warren. I don’t know why he thinks a bunch of people whohave played a lot of games with him, would believe he was a noob.This is more contrived bad logic on your part.





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How about ask about my claim? Why I did it? Why I voted for whom? How about ask a question on any of 100 things instead of a big grand total of ZERO after 184 posts??

This is totally not you normally.
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Who hasn't posted yet? Mcsloth lunatic who else?
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Warren and budda in my scum pile. I have one town read but forgot who it was,
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Oh I remember, I was gonna tell you guys that my attention span doesn't cover your long-ass posts (which aren't even that long ngl)
Please fix that

Also Vaarka was my town read
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If there's a third scum, warren is it calling it now
If you already have a 3 person scum team why are you voting for lunatic?
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Idk why u voted Budda in first place
There was about 20 posts between him and budda talking about why he did. Please start paying attention. How can you generate reads if you entirely missed the contents of about 20 posts covering the same subject?

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I'd be comfortable lynching budda or supa, thought I think they wouldn't be scum together. If they were in the same scum PM, budda maybe would have helped him sound less lost.
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Aaaand, I am pretty sure post #189 is going to put me on the top spot for the NK tonight. Play well town...play well.
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This is the really weird behavior I got from Buddha's behavior so far. So far he has spearheaded a soft defense of me... without asking me a single question, unlike wylted, vaarka, warren, and spinko.

Right after that he attempts to form a "town block" on post #76 with aporia and warren.... with really lame reasoning from post #70.   Warren enters the game at post #40. Buddha claims Warren is town from post #40, a simple intro post, on post #51. And as Spinko correctly said, warren is far from new, yet Buddha labels him as a new player as an excuse to put him into his convenient town pile for a quick "town bloc" post on #76.
This isnt even an accurate recounting of events. You literally just fake news'd this recounting of events 😂. 

Post #51 was before Spinko let it be known Warren wasn't new. Once he did I pointed out his post could be nothing but manufactured in post 57. He then claims it was a reaction test in post #65, and my TR was re-established and town-bloc was post #76. 

Post #63 is the middle post where ive clearly rescinded the town read and wanted elaboration on what Spinko stated in post #54

One of them is debateable, the other is a position that requires ignoring that there is an RVS stage in every game... and so of course its reasonable a player could have played in multiple games and still think votes during RVS are both scummy and with the purpose of lynching.

Theres "bad" play, and then there's this. This would be so awful that you would have to assume the player is entirely oblivious and is mentally incapable of absorbing SoP's that are present in every game. 

Do you have links to the games he's played in? Or at least the name so i can pull them up via the DDO archive? Maybe he is truly that oblivious. 

That final paragraph was because of post #58 where Spinko stated

I've only played a few games with Warren and based off of my experience with him I dont think his post is contrived. 

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Are you really that salty because I don't care about you opening with a bw and claiming to have a useless role that ur gonna fake news me Acosta? 


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How about ask about my claim? Why I did it? Why I voted for whom? How about ask a question on any of 100 things instead of a big grand total of ZERO after 184 posts??

No, because you doing so was if anything indicative of you being town because in US states you came out and claimed right away too. I dont count beginner 1.1 cause you replaced in, but 1.2 as scum, and bloodline as scum you avoided claiming. 

You literally just said I know ur meta and ur getting salty because I'm using that meta? Cut me some slack here Acosta 😂







This is totally not you normally.


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Was excited to see some good budda drama with parrot and wyl's posts on him. Then.... nothing? Those two posts (within 8 mins of each other ooofffff) literally had nothing to respond to. Also if both of yall are caught up why no substantial reads on anyone else?  Besides "probs town" or "scum read" with zero justification?
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I'm not even going to try and contemplate why you ignored that shit I posted. I assume it's because I hit the nail on the head.
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Bad contrived scummy with a hint of contrived but also bad dont forget about bad and a little contrived but mostly bad AND contrived. We live in a society.

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I've been reading all day but not responding. I was mostly concentrating on budda's posts for the second reading of the DP and the posts of warren supa and vaarka for the 3rd read. I honestly get warren vaarka and supa confused for each other a lot because of the quality of their posts, though I feel guilty for putting warren in their because he is a cut above them in terms of reading comprehension. Playing ability is a different story.

I want to know why vaarka voted for lunatic before I firm my read of town on him up. I want to know why Supa struggled with reading comprehension of posts to the degree he did. I suspect it is because when somebody is scum, particularly if they hate being scum than they have a hard time keeping track of the game, but they post out of a sense of obligation anyway. I  think that is what is going on there, but want his explanation.

warren I want to hear his philosophy on the stunt he pulled. currently it sounds like bullshit

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What do you find bullshit about warren's behavior thusfar?
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It's contrived because it is bad. If some of these people used bad logic, I would just assume it's because they are mentally disabled, but I know Buddamoose isn't mentally disabled so the only explanation for the bad logic is that it is contrived.