Racism is a nonsense, malicious term
You better not call yourself a conservative with this sort of snowflakery.
Such victim olympics nonsense. Wear racism on your arm.
Racism is a nonsense, malicious term
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@Mesmer
BUT LET'S GRANT YOUR PREMISE. ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE SHOULD PRIMARILY SELECT JEWISH ASIANS FOR POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY ?No.
(IFF) jewish asians are unquestionably "more intelligent" than everyone else (THEN) what the heck do you propose we do with this "information" ???
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@Reece101
Racism is a nonsense, malicious termYou better not call yourself a conservative with this sort of snowflakery.Such victim olympics nonsense. Wear racism on your arm.
A critique of "racism" ≠ "racism"
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@Mesmer
The whole point of this thread is to remind people that racial differences are scientifically plausible.
The core disagreement is, whether or not we should hinge any particular POLICY on "skin-tone".
What is your proposed conclusion if your contention is accepted ??
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@MarkWebberFan
I saw your (3RU7AL) vids. I still think empathy requires more energy than sympathy.
Depending on your personality.
For some people, empathy is reflexive.
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@MarkWebberFan
It also generates more help than empathy.
Example of sympathy,
My grandparents stole from your grandparents, I feel bad about that, but I'm not really sure what to do about it, maybe we'll build a monument to your grandparents and change some of the laws that let my grandparents steal from your grandparents.
Example of empathy,
My grandparents stole from your grandparents, I will return to you what my grandparents stole from your grandparents (because that's what I would want if I was in your shoes).
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@Theweakeredge
Ragnar discussion, he literally specified.
I addressed all salient points.
If you believe I missed something, please be slightly more specific.
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@zedvictor4
True altruists are very very thin on the ground.
Do you believe people are more likely to take action to assist people they perceive to be in their own "in-group" ??
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) jewish asians are unquestionably "more intelligent" than everyone else (THEN) what the heck do you propose we do with this "information" ???
Recognize that fact.
The core disagreement is, whether or not we should hinge any particular POLICY on "skin-tone".What is your proposed conclusion if your contention is accepted ??
I haven't argued "policy" at all, so I don't know why you think this is a core disagreement when I haven't argued it.
My proposed conclusion is that we accept racial genetic differences for what they are: real.
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@3RU7AL
A critique of "racism" ≠ "racism"
Well by Mesmer’s standards he is a racist.
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@Reece101
Well by Mesmer’s standards he is a racist.
Incorrect.
I have repeatedly argued, including in the OP of this thread, that the term "racist" is nonsense.
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@Mesmer
No you haven't.
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@Reece101
No you haven't.
So, despite me creating the OP for "racism is a nonsense, malicious term" Racism is a nonsense, malicious term (debateart.com), despite me arguing all throughout this thread that racism is a nonsense term Racism is a nonsense, malicious term (debateart.com) Racism is a nonsense, malicious term (debateart.com) Racism is a nonsense, malicious term (debateart.com) (etc.), despite me arguing on other threads that racism is a nonsense term controversial view: there's widespread discrimination but not widespread racism (debateart.com) , you have managed to conclude that no, I have not argued that racism is a nonsense term.
I think you've made the single worst comment I've ever seen on a debate website. It's spectacular that you've found a way to be this stupid. You may be the first person in the history of humanity to have negative I.Q.
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@Mesmer
Stating “racism is a nonsense, malicious term” isn’t an argument.
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@3RU7AL
Depends upon how you define the "group".
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@Mesmer
My proposed conclusion is that we accept racial genetic differences for what they are: real.
Why ?
Why do you think this is "important" ?
If you're not proposing any particular policy, why should anyone care ?
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@zedvictor4
Depends upon how you define the "group".
The people you consider "friends" and or "family" and or "potential friends" and or people you personally consider to be "the good guys".
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@Reece101
Stating “racism is a nonsense, malicious term” isn’t an argument.
It's a conversation starter.
It is impossible to tell where a person was born simply by looking at them.
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@Mesmer
It's spectacular that you've found a way to be this stupid. You may be the first person in the history of humanity to have negative I.Q.
AD HOMINEM ATTACK
It's a conversation starter.It is impossible to tell where a person was born simply by looking at them.
First he gave a clear definition of how he views racism and then the rest of his arguments are just him being frustrated how people use it.
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@3RU7AL
Why ?Why do you think this is "important" ?If you're not proposing any particular policy, why should anyone care ?
Don't you care about the truth?
Also, it would help avoid creating policy based on falsehoods.
AD HOMINEM ATTACK
Lol so this isn't Ad Hom because I didn't claim that because he's that stupid, his post is wrong. I claimed that because his post was so wrong (we're talking denial of things right in front of him), he's stupid. It's astounding how stupid he has been, actually. I'm almost certain he's not trolling. It deserves an award.
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@Mesmer
It’s okay to be racist.
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@3RU7AL
Interesting post. I think it's hard to discern cause and effect in your examples. Being a sentimentalist isn't that hard, I think it's all about the passion.
Example of sympathy,My grandparents stole from your grandparents, I feel bad about that, but I'm not really sure what to do about it, maybe we'll build a monument to your grandparents and change some of the laws that let my grandparents steal from your grandparents.
I think this sounds a lot more appealing to the passionate "feeler" than it is to directly confront the problem. You're forcibly motivated by the event so much so that you'll build a monument in their image. Now that you've said it, I can't help but think that cities should allow the construction of random citizen monuments.
Example of empathy,My grandparents stole from your grandparents, I will return to you what my grandparents stole from your grandparents (because that's what I would want if I was in your shoes).
Good point. Regardless, naturally, although this is the more direct approach, you're not taking into consideration the degrees of passion. I think this sounds a lot lazier than building a monument. It requires less energy and returning it is probably going to land you a nasty awkward exchange in which the victims threaten your grandparents with pagan curses. Of course, you were there to return with the bare minimum of passion so naturally, you wouldn't care much about their threats. My opinion.
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@3RU7AL
True altruists are indirectly motivated samaritans. If my mother died of Covid-19, I am more likely to treat covid-19 patients without pay, because anything related to covid reminds me of my deceased mother. They're thin because you are less likely to help flood victims if you've never formed an intimate connection with "flood".
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@MarkWebberFan
I was waiting to see if you'd reply once you read the study you mentioned at the bottom of your reply, so that I could bundle this response together. You might be busy with life or not intending to respond to it, so I'll just respond to what you've already written because it's worth responding to.
Is this measured or spontaneous?For example, if I'm learning piano for the first time, I would classify my first training as measured. Me learning the music keys would be excruciatingly painful as a first-time music learner. I think measured activities require a lot of work. That's different from a spontaneous act of drinking and getting drunk on a random night.So, is the general coming together as a result of similarity spontaneous or measured?
It seems that more important issues (such as religion, politics etc.) have greater impact in determining whether people like each other, so I'd lean towards the measured interactions having more weight (less likely to espouse deeper beliefs in conversations with banter and light-heartedness). Although, alcohol will have an effect on this (people more likely to say what they think), but not all spontaneous interactions have alcohol.
What? I think that sounds more of a genetic than behavior kind of thing. Not to interject a stereotype but women gossip about things and men talk about sex. But I'm not talking about actions borne from laziness or "spur of the moment". I'm talking about things that require plenty of thought. A coptic christian choosing to love a baathist muslim would definitely require more work than a typical high school romance or whatever.
I'd argue that this kind of "measured" love doesn't exist, that "love" is poorly defined lust with many rationalizations bundled in. You don't really get to "choose" (in a thoughtful sense) to love someone because that drive is largely physical sexual appeal, particularly in the facial area. That's probably why a Coptic Christian and Baathist Muslim would come together: they find each other quite physically hot, not because they intellectually stimulate each other after 3 hours of discussing quantum mechanics.
Forethought of generalized rules without exceptions can never be made into actual laws of nature. My opinion.
The studies all prove various levels of correlation, so they implicitly admit there are exceptions. It would be nigh impossible, barring a super small sample size or a lots of time, to account for every exception. It's probably just better to call it a trend of nature, anyway.
Well, your best guess? Or do exceptions mean nothing to you?
Exceptions mean something but I'm more interested in what large correlations or consistencies we can find. I guess people's mood can affect this. I guess the type of interactions (spontaneous) can affect this. The time they talk will affect it. Hard to list everything.
I think thats a spurious correlation. Granted, there's an argument that arab nationalists draw a lot from islam in their hatred of western values. I think they consider nationalism as interchangeable with islam. So, If I'm an arab, the best argument in favor of this is that over time, i develop some form of genetic disposition that allows me to associate Islam and nationalism. That disposition then becomes hereditary, but is still probably open to manipulation. Well, okay not sure what to make of that other than to say that I have very little faith in spurious correlations. I'll check your source when I get home.
If you have enough data points, I don't think it remains spurious because you've inductively shown consistency on many occasions.
The source makes the argument better than I do.
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@Mesmer
Also, it would help avoid creating policy based on falsehoods.
Please be slightly more specific.
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@Mesmer
AD HOMINEM ATTACKLol so this isn't Ad Hom because I didn't claim that because he's that stupid, his post is wrong. I claimed that because his post was so wrong (we're talking denial of things right in front of him), he's stupid. It's astounding how stupid he has been, actually. I'm almost certain he's not trolling. It deserves an award.
this is really begging the question of WHY you would bother to mention this "information".
it seems obvious that your only possible motive would be to pre-emptively DISCREDIT any FUTURE arguments (specifically from the person in question).
any comment on the SPEAKER and not specifically on their WORDS is an AD HOMINEM ATTACK.
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@Reece101
It’s okay to be racist.
it is not currently illegal to hold an opinion.
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@MarkWebberFan
I think this sounds a lot lazier than building a monument.
The point here is that doing "something" (like building a monument) to make the thieves grandchildren "feel-better" is probably NOT what the wronged party would prefer (they most likely want their land back + leasing fees equivalent to the time it was illegally occupied).
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@MarkWebberFan
ed samaritans. If my mother died of Covid-19, I am more likely to treat covid-19 patients without pay, because anything related to covid reminds me of my deceased mother.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN MORE EASILY EMPATHIZE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE SIMILAR EXPERIENCES (or at least that you perceive as similar).