Do grades determine your intelligence?

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@Intelligence_06
So you think having intimate relationships intentionally makes you grade E? Why?

I didnt intend that is true for all people in all situations. Some may allow some other social contructs to take priority of their studiou nature and flunk out. I think ive seen this in movies or tv series. Smart person is failing and teacher doesnt understand why.  Hypothetical.
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@ebuc
 I think ive seen this in movies or tv series.
Survivalship bias. Those TV series are mostly fictional and those real people who deserve video cut works are already the chosen few.

Smart person is failing and teacher doesnt understand why.
Either the smart person was not trying or the teacher is not smart. What else?

Some may allow some other social contructs to take priority of their studiou nature and flunk out.
Doing so after college is fine and normal, doing so before college is not.


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Wasn't the origin of modern education factory training?
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Absolutely.

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I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but grades are factored on two things.  The ability to retain the information and the desire to do the work.  I HATED doing homework so I never did it and I never did the projects either.  I zeroed on all my homework assignments that I couldn't finish in class.  I never did the projects.  However, when taking the tests and finals, I would ace them.  I graduated HS with a 2.3 GPA (I think).  To me a GPA is how much effort you put into school.  I was VERY lazy in my HS years.

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Many intellectually gifted individuals are known to be academically lazy. I personally know a couple of real sharp guys but they want to play chess instead of doing homework. One of these individuals even landed a 1390 SAT without studying too much but only has a 3.2 GPA. Noticeably lacking in my personal experience are any of the smart girls who really lack motivation. How can it be that guys consistently year after year do better on standardized tests but don't do as well with school grades or go to college as much? The answer is obvious
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Not just your experience. Women dominate med and computer science schools the world over. 

So what's the reason?
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In the states I have lived in, most everyone can get an "A" in high school.  College isn't much more complicated than high school.  It just takes more work, and you need to be fine at scheduling.  Maybe some people will drop down a letter grade, and more if they get distracted.  As far as I'm concerned, above average grades indicate above average chance of graduating.  One great argument I've heard for consciously working to obtain "good" grades is to secure financial backing for your education, and of course making your mother happy. 

After graduation it's rarely discussed, and I don't entertain that it has practical applications.   I am wary of a false sense of entitlement so don't present yourself in that way, but I probably won't care. 

I don't read into it any more than that. 







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if you take intelligence as a term by itself it is very vast because there are many types of inteligence, emotional logical musical...
If a type of intelligence isn't g-loaded then it isn't a real type of intelligence. I haven't seen a replicatable, g-loaded study that tested purely for 'musical' or 'emotional' intelligence. 

You need to prove that these types are g-loaded and can be tested for, before you start asserting that they exist.

so no if you concider that grades determine your intelligence overall that would  be simply incorrect.
however if we are talking about logical, mathematical intelligence it is correct because for example :
someone who has a good logic will do great in a math exam and would get a good grade 
on the other side someone who doesn't have good logic or a good understanding of mathemathical facts would get a bad grade 
it does not mean you are dumb it just means that you are lacking of logic
Your ability to learn 'logic', particularly at the more complex levels, will correlate heavily with I.Q. (a proxy for intelligence). If other confounding variables are controlled for (i.e. well-restedness, nutrious diet, effort etc.) and you're still receiving poor grades, then perhaps your lack of intelligence is letting you down.
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Depends on what kind of grades. I am serious, one of the kids in my grade is flunking appropriate-level Chemistry and Biology but has a Gold in UKChO, BBO and participates in HOSA. The reason? AP Chem and Bio requires a tremendous amount of English comprehension and writing skills and that guy is not good at writing. In other words, he gets the point but is unable to convey them on a test sheet of paper that earns him points in a consistent fashion.

Another kid participated in AIME and is learning university level mathematics but not using English textbooks, because again he is not good at English as he is at Mathematics. For this reason he sometimes lose big points in some subjects not because he miscalculated the value of something, but merely that he didn't know what the value is for because he didn't understand the question in the assigned time. The lack of some skills really truncate the latent perspective for others and we can't just say one is equally stupid as another when one kid has 2/3 required set of abilities and is just missing the last step to glory and the other one is not trying.

Good that my times in DArt has served me well when it comes to writing. At least I don't have to be labeled "not smart" when I am trying to be smart.

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@drlebronski
In my opinion, grades are just a measuring system that schools created to determine how much information kids can remember over the course of a year. If you remember most of the content from the year, you get a good grade. If you happen to have a bad memory, or don't pay attention, then you get a bad grade. But having a good or bad grade doesn't determine whether or not a person is intelligent. Intelligence, unlike school grades, come from knowledge you already have and how well you can apply it. School grades students on their ability to know info that they might not need in the future, not on the knowledge they might already have about the world and how to navigate it. Therefore, I believe grades do not define a person's intelligence.

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So overall, there is consistent evidence of a moderate to strong correlation between academic grades and measured intelligence.
I am glad my mother was valedictorian of her class.

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To succeed at school you need to do 2 of these things:
  • Have a perfect recall memory
  • Be organized
  • Work hard
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@7000series
To succeed at school you need to do 2 of these things:
  • Have a perfect recall memory
  • Be organized
  • Work hard
Not me. I am a forgetfull fellow with ADHD. I literally have no idea how I even survived school, let alone got good grades.
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Congrats to Benjamin!
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Grades sure as hell don't determine fiscal intelligence.
 
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@7000series
To succeed at school you need to do 2 of these things:
  • Have a perfect recall memory
  • Be organized
  • Work hard
I am still in school and I would consider myself succeeding and I do none of those. I have a good memory but it’s not perfect, to hell with organization, and I do the work givin to me and nothing more.
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@7000series
Point is, it doesn’t boil down to those three things.
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@Benjamin
Self deprecation and innate ability are two different issues.

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According to Donald Trump's niece Mary Trump, the former POTUS did not do well academically at Fordham University, and also received poor grades at the University of Pennsylvania.
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@FLRW
....he former POTUS did not do well academically at Fordham University, and also received poor grades at the University of Pennsylvania....

Only he{I} can fix it. And his continued debacle of stage appearences shows he can not only fix it, it shows his aptitude for false narrative of attack, attack, attack with repeated false narrative. 

He is the crooked, attempting to place his lack of moral integrity education on to his opponents.

The good of USA > Wold > Humanity takes a back seat to his narcissist education of self.

* I * will the people to overcome truth and justice, so that I may show USA > World > Humanity the Trumpet Way Forward or Bust.

* i * Trumpet am Gold and I promise to make each of you silver,  Yes I have.

Follow me to the white house and show the world we are the true believers ---of a false narrative---  that will fix nothing as I take the RIng of Power, to dictate the many factions, with the support of our beloved supreme court. Only they know the true meaning, when I say, to  Love Trumpet to love the world and humanity.
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@ebuc
No, grades do not. Especially when the sliding scale has been perverted so far to diminish what the reward of a well-earned grade feels like achieving. 

Streets smarts and the desire for personal improvement can make some really intelligent people without achieving a piece of paper degree. 
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@Amber
No, grades do not. Especially when the sliding scale has been perverted so far to diminish what the reward of a well-earned grade feels like achieving. 
Streets smarts and the desire for personal improvement can make some really intelligent people without achieving a piece of paper degree. 

I dont know what post your referencing above.

If your suggesting Trumpet has street smarts, I rather doubt he was much of street kid, or adult much less smart.


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@ebuc
"Do grades determine your intelligence?"

This is the title of this threaded discussion.

My post was in direct reply to that query. 

You were inadvertently put in the mentions block. Apologies. 
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@Amber
You were inadvertently put in the mentions block. Apologies

No worries Amber

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@drlebronski
Poor grades do not mean that you are “not smart”, and for similar reasons, having a high IQ does not mean that you “are smart”. Being smart can assist you in getting good grades, but it’s not as simple as that.


Your grades do not reflect your intelligence. 
You can be the most intelligent person in the world and still fail a test.
Furthermore emotion plays a very big role in how you do on tests or exams.
If you are depressed or someone you know died you are probably going to get a worse grade this doesn't make you stupid.
Poor grades suggests poor comprehension.  It doesn’t make you stupid, it makes you ignorant.
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Yes, smart people do not get poor grades.
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Only the smartest people can afford to be lazy.
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@Greyparrot
Yes, a 2016 study published in the Journal of Health Psychology divided the group into those who cherished thinking and actively sought out thought-provoking situations, and those who would rather do anything but think. Smarter people are also lazier because they have longer attention spans.
The study states, "Findings from a U.S-based study seem to support the idea that people with a high IQ get bored less easily leading them to spend more time engaged in thought... non-thinkers get bored more easily, so [they] need to fill their time with physical activity."
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The idea that smart people always get good grades is a misconception, as intelligence alone does not guarantee academic success. Albert Einstein is a prime example of this. Despite his later achievements and recognition as one of the greatest minds in history, Einstein struggled in the rigid, traditional school system. He was often bored and unengaged with the material, leading to mediocre grades in some subjects. His brilliance wasn't reflected in his report cards, but rather in his ability to think creatively and explore concepts that went beyond the classroom.

Einstein's experience highlights that traditional education systems often emphasize rote memorization and standardized testing, which may not cater to the strengths of all intelligent students. A highly intelligent individual might not thrive in an environment that doesn't encourage creativity or critical thinking. In Einstein's case, the structured and narrow curriculum failed to stimulate his intellectual curiosity, leading him to disengage from schoolwork. This shows that even the brightest minds struggle in environments that don't align with their learning styles or interests.

Moreover, grades often measure more than just intelligence. They can reflect a student's ability to conform to the demands of the educational system, such as following instructions, meeting deadlines, and performing well on specific types of assessments. Einstein's lower grades didn't indicate a lack of intelligence but rather a mismatch between his learning style and the expectations of the system. His later success underscores that grades are not always an accurate measure of a person's intellectual potential or future achievements.