Poll on Moderation

It's ridiculous that this sort of behaviour that's been going on in this thread is allowed to stand, but using symbolically offensive words goes too far.

It's ridiculous that this sort of behaviour that's been going on in this thread is allowed to stand, but using symbolically offensive words goes too far.

Both should be allowed to stand. I commend Bsh1 for allowing me and RM to duke it out without any significant moderator intervention. None was needed.

It's not the behaviours that are allowed that concerns me, it's the behaviours that are banned despite what is allowed. This has all been mod sanctioned so far, which is fair enough imo. But words like tranny and nigger are banned, despite all the other shit that goes down. It's an example of symbolic offence. The mod policy is less interested in avenues of real abuse, and more interested in avenues of symbolic abuse. 

Some of the things in this thread are really cutting close to the line of what I could call real abuse. I find it hard to cognate that word policing has a logical basis when this behaviour is defined as acceptable.  

Go fuck yourself.

This for example, has far greater capacity for harm than flippant use of the word tranny in a conversation. 

Go fuck yourself.

Some of the things in this thread are really cutting close to the line of what I could call real abuse.

I find it hard to cognate that word policing has a logical basis when this behaviour is defined as acceptable.  

And this eloquent and well thought out response is why a debate website is probably not the right place for you.

Your initial post was unsubstantive garbage, which didn't deserve to be dignified with an "eloquent and well thought out response."

He insulted me, I insulted him back. I don't see what the big deal is.

None really. Tbh if you're gonna have a flame war that's between you. My issue lies elsewhere, as you noted. That's really all my participation in this discussion comes down to.

Priorities are clearly out of whack, and that's enshrined in the letter of the law, which does in fact prohibit saying mean words, but not doing mean things. 

Go fuck yourself.

This for example, has far greater capacity for harm than flippant use of the word tranny in a conversation.

I think that this discrepancy really gets down to the real problem with the CoC and its enforcement: it isn't about preventing harm at all, it's about control. This is a debate site which is supposed to welcome all views, but bsh's enforcement when it comes to things like blackface, words like 'tranny' and 'nigger', and other leftist shibboleths takes for granted that the leftist consensus on these issues is the truth and then enforces the CoC based on that presumption. That means that political bias is baked into the system from the getgo, and that's the problem with a CoC which tries to make conversation 'nice': nice for whom? Many people on the left can't see it, but they would see it real quick if I was mod and decided that using female pronouns for a MtF transgender person was abusive because I, personally, see transgenderism as a mental disorder.

• Tyrone
  
• Wylted
  
• Drafterman
  
• Imabench
  
• TheHammer
  
• 1Harderthanyouthink
  
• Thett3
• ResurgetExFavilla
  
• Smithereens
  
• Buddamoose
  

• RationalMadman
  
• YeshuaBought
  
• Argent Tongue
  
• Mopac
  
• Swagnarok
  
• Castin
  
• Ramshutu
  
• Vaarka

the leftist consensus

I, personally, see transgenderism as a mental disorder.

its ridiculous sh*t like this, that makes moderators reluctant to do anything at all, which leads to deterioration of websites as “anything goes” invariably means a race to the bottom. It’s why it took years to get Bronto banned on DDO, and why a bunch of Russian bot accounts are still there.

So pull those training pants up, and act like a grown up. 

As as I said: people like you are literally the reason we can’t gave nice things.

Typical overconfident buffoonery, lol, especially your inability to realize that you and many other religion forum posters offer the same one-dimensional contributions that Bronto does, you just run the other side of the script.

When confronted with a moderator action you don’t like, you can either deal with it like an adult, or you can launch into this sort of panty twisted histrionic nonsense, where a bunch of drama queens start multiple threads and arguments, and work themselves up into a mastabatory rage about how gosh-darn unfair and anti-free-speech those one or two decision was.

So, I was obviously wrong. There isn't enough public support for replacing Bsh1 as moderator. However, this thread has clearly revealed public support for making moderation policy less strict overall. Perhaps I should have made the poll about that instead of making it about Bsh1.

LESS STRICT

• Tyrone
  
• Wylted
  
• Drafterman
  
• Imabench
  
• TheHammer
  
• 1Harderthanyouthink
  
• Thett3
  
• ResurgetExFavilla
  
• Smithereens
  
• Buddamoose
  

SAME / MORE STRICT 

• RationalMadman
  
• YeshuaBought
  
• Argent Tongue
  
• Mopac
  
• Swagnarok
  
• Castin
  
• Ramshutu
  
• Vaarka
  

But when I told him so yesterday and offered some ideas for change, he approved them pretty much immediately. It's why I don't get the "bish never listens to feedback" complaint. When I made my suggestions I stuck to policy arguments without character attacks. That would be my advice.