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The thought crosses my mind,
That it might be kinder to kill one's enemy, than reform them.

That's my ego speaking I suppose,
Hating to see another molded, 'forced, beaten, defeated, 'changed.

Self focused, oddly allowing focus towards others.
. . .

And yet, one cannot 'avoid change,
It seems 'necessary, if one is to 'exist,
. . . Is it?
. . . Many people seem to maintain their habits like iron, despite encountering new information,
Yet are not diagnosed with any memory disease,
Being of course able to 'remember the new information,
. . . It seems off that one would 'not change, despite new experiences,
Hm, perhaps 'still changes, just their habits 'seem larger, so that is what is seen.

Hm, theoretical though,
A person incapable of 'any new memories,
If suppose even then, with enough. . . script let's say,
A person could react, as a computer program reacts, yet never gaining memory (Though yes, some computer programs gain new memory)
. . .

Alzheimer's, Dementia,
Seem a bit like being dead while alive, I've supposed before,
Though I've never 'experienced such myself, so can I say?
Been sleep deprived before,
Hm,
Be like being in one's own world,
'Never growing from external influence,
Yet if one is not allowed 'internal influence either, as things arguably can change from within,
Would such not be like being stopped in time?
Hence my earlier though,
Can one 'exist without change?

Oh perhaps a coma patient 'exists,
But they are not 'thinking,
No cogito, ergo sum.

But Alzheimer's, Dementia?
Forward then rewinding, brief moments of progress, suddenly deleted,
Hm.
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How do big companies fail?
Do they continue paying owners and CEOs high wages until the end?

Varies I imagine,
Yet somehow I just can't imagine most companies cutting higher ups wages to match the workers pay.
. . .

Why 'don't tons of more communist companies exist?

They'd pay the average worker more I'd think,
Incentivizing people to stay and work well, that they 'keep such a job.
. . .

Worker Co-Ops exist, I think I've heard before.
. . .

Hm, still if higher ups not paid 'exorbitant,
Maybe leadership suffers?

People feel entitled at times in life?
So if bad leadership, bad paths charter?
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I dont like people. I like persons. everybody is a person to somebody, but not to me. i dont like people i like persons i assign the title to
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I'm unsure what you mean by this,
Do you mean you like individuals, but not people in general?

Good to see you again.
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Is "I think therefore I am." really accurate? The use of "therefore" suggests that this is a deductive argument:

P1: That which thinks is.
P2: I think.
C: I am.

But why? We presume that we think, but what does it even mean to "think?" If it is simply the processing of information within the brain, then computers think. Not that this invalidates the argument because computers don't exist, but rather, it just shows that this definition of "think" doesn't really hold up. More importantly though, why is the first premise true? For what I have to say next, I will first attempt to establish that everything is simply, at its core, information. A thing is defined solely by its properties, that is, by being what it is. In this sense, a thing is the information that it contains. However we chose to define "think," it seems reasonable that it would pertain only to what happens within the mind of the individual. But if you accept the premise that everything is, at its core, information, than one could conceivably create a thinking mind just by imagining it. But then that mind does not exist in reality, in contradiction with the first premise. But then, if we accept the premise that everything comes down to information then isn't our own universe only as real as that mind? In that case, perhaps "I think therefore I am." is correct, and can in fact be generalized to "I have meaning therefore I am." Every thought, every idea, every belief, every concept never considered, that which is not even imaginable, the world of magic imagined by a 7-year-old, all of it is real.
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Even if everything is information, does that mean everything is the same?
Even if everything is material, does that mean everything is the same?

I'd say no myself,
The 'arrangement is different,
A hammer of styrofoam and a hammer of metal are not the same.

In my view though what is in our imaginations, 'is real,
It is real in a different sense,
A metal hammer outside our mind, and a metal hammer in our imagination, are of different amounts of material and arrangement.

Maybe it's 'possible to make more 'real objects of imagination,
But then one's imagination would have to be 'greater more complex, to give 'weight to those objects.

Human imagination, nor computers, seem capable of it to me.
. . .

I 'do think Descartes mean something different than computation,
When he stated thinking,
But I have not read him in any depth, so I am uncertain.

I 'do see many people online state AI has reached sentience,
But I do not think I use the word sentience as they do,
Sentience to my mind implies a 'person,
Not the ability to respond to stimuli,
Even a rat trap responds to stimuli, doesn't make it sentient.

Doesn't mean the rat trap is 
Experiencing, 'feeling, as a human does.

@NoOneInParticular
What would qualify something as a parallel existence?
As soon as they interact, are they not no longer parallel?
Since a hammer in an imagination is effected by outside, is it really parallel?
Two bold lines, with many small lines between?
They are not 'lines then,
Two toothbrushes whose bristles are meshed, are parallel I suppose,
What qualifies something as something 'separate?
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A sword may cut a tree to pieces,
Or a hammer smash a tree to pieces,
But that does not mean a sword and hammer are the same, even if the tree is in many pieces.
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How does stock trading work?
Where online do you do it?
Where does your money need to be, to do this?
By this I mean do you trade out of your bank account? PayPal? The Stock Trade website?
How do taxes effect stock trading?
. . .

Why aren't the laws of a country generally easy to find and understand?

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I'm thankful to live in a place safe with a decent quality of life, though I still want for more.
I'm thankful for supportive family.
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I recall a cartoon I read once,
Had a presidential candidate meeting people of various walks of life,
For each one, he would change his clothing and the appearance of his office,
To seem like one of them.

I also recall a saying,
That familiarity breeds contempt,
Some people will not 'appreciate a down to earth, equal attempt from their rulers,
Seeing them as poor, not great or powerful, thinking less of them.
And yet,
Paradox,
Where others in seeing rulers of fine clothing, pomp and parade,
Are enraged by the difference of quality of life.

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Paradox or Contradiction?

What I say to your face, is not what I say when your back is turned.

You condescending  arsehole.



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Paradox, Contradiction, similar words.

Well, I wouldn't say your statement in #941 is a paradox or a contradiction,
Since I don't hack your computer or bribe other people you know, to learn what you say behind my back, I couldn't say.

Yours is a 'claim I suppose.
More or less true for some people,
More or less true for other people,
Some times or people, vary in how they speak to/of people.
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@Lemming
Obviously I wasn't referring to you as a condescending arsehole.


Though I would suggest that the truth is more of a case of what one thinks, rather than what one says.

As you pointed out, we verbally express varying opinions as necessity dictates.

So

Lovely to meet you Sir....Condescending arsehole methinks.
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I agree, what one 'thinks is true, can greatly influence their person and responses.
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Why am I keeping my money in a bank?
I don't think they give me much anything in terms of interest.
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0.01%.

Just about better than a kick in the balls.
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My eldest brother says our money is 'always invested into something,
Even in cash or in the bank, it's simply invested into the governments promise that it's worth something,
Albeit worth something that will degrade in value (Inflation).
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Money is an interesting social concept.


Gold and property are probably the safest investments.

I'm not sure how safe electronic money can be.

One always felt safer with a wad of notes.

All it needs is a major glitch in electric money management systems and all data could be lost.

As modern money is no more than a data record.
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True, gold seems to hold value easy enough,
Heh,
Until Mansa Musa passes through ones country.

I can imagine electronic money being used widely in the future,
Crypto and such,
Way we use cards, kind of what we do already,
Not one gold bar or one sheep held in the bank to redeem for us.

Still, seems good to have some diversity in ones wealth,
Like land, house, water, canned goods.
. .
I often find it strange, when reading riches to rags stories,
If one has a 'ton of money, why 'not make plans in case it be all lost?
Still, I imagine many make such plans.
Vocal small stories, of loss, perhaps.
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I view,
Finding people who disagree with you, as 'extremely valuable.
People who 'agree with you as well.
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Would it make a difference to some people I wonder, who are angry about God. . . (I'm not angry about God, just musing)

What I mean is some people's view of God, is some idle bored watcher,
There next to us,
No matter our agony, pain, or situation.

Would it make a difference to them, if they viewed God 'not as dispassionate,

Rather if all our pains and sorrow, were equally shared and felt by God,
In sensation, in empathy,
Our joys and wonders. . .
. . .
Not that I'm saying such is or is not the nature of God.

Ah well, I don't believe in God myself.
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Ah well, I don't believe in God myself.
Every one in foxhole ---WW 1 and 2 saying?---   pray to God, irrespective of whether they believe in any Universe-creating-God.

@ = iconic for Universe

)* .v. *( = iconic for infinite God who shares a similar image to that of has  human.   Created in its image type sayings.

* ? * = iconic for ebuc has limited knowledge so many unknowns
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Certainly various moments whether stressful, joyful, or thoughtful,
Can have an effect,
Draw from a person, a piece of belief, perhaps even a whole of belief.

And true,
From a certain point of view,
People have high values, and sacred ideals.
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our experience as humans is only a lump of fat and nerves floating in a dark pool of spinal fluid

we just get information from our eyes and ears and other stuff but us ourselves are just nerves and fat


anyway did you know that there is a similar chance of your exact brain right now spontaneously forming somewhere in the universe than there is of someone shuffling standard playing cards into perfect order?
the odds are:
brain forming somewhere in universe: 10^69
shuffling cards into order: 10^68 

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@Lemming
I'm unsure what you mean by this,
Do you mean you like individuals, but not people in general?
kind of. if i can get to know someone, I like them a lot more than if I dont, even if I dont agree with them on things. I dont like people I dont know because at that point I feel like they are useless to my world. Thats usually when im feeling kinda salty, but when im in a good mood its kinda fun to watch people.
Good to see you again.
thanks, i dont have as much time on my hands as last year, so im not here as often lol
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I love experiencing other cultures. I also like experiencing my own cultures. humans are funny.
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Wow, a lot of people 'really hate Henry Kissinger.
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Wow, a lot of people 'really hate Henry Kissinger.
DId he bomb Cambodia illegally?

..." The U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia between 1969 and 1973 has been well documented, but its architect, former national security adviser and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who will turn 100 on Saturday, bears responsibility for more violence than has been previously reported. An investigation by The Intercept provides evidence of attacks that have never before been publicized and that killed or wounded hundreds of Cambodian civilians during Kissinger’s tenure in the White House. When questioned about his culpability for these deaths, Kissinger responded with sarcasm and refused to provide answers. "...

......These latter attacks were infrequently reported through military channels, covered only sparingly by the press at the time, and have mostly been lost to history. Together, they increase an already sizable number of Cambodian deaths for which Kissinger bears responsibility and raise questions among experts about whether long-dormant efforts to hold him accountable for war crimes might be renewed...."
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@ebuc
That 'does seem to be one of the reasons people have been giving for hating him.