Every single disciple and person Jesus used his power on to cure was male, correct?
It's as if female attention and loyalty meant absolutely nothing to him.
It's as if female attention and loyalty meant absolutely nothing to him.
Was Jesus homosexual?
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True, I don't know of a single gynaecological miracle.
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A bunch of dudes traveling together, living together, and talk about loving each other regularly? Seems pretty gay to me.
He raises Jairus's daughter and exorcises the Gentile woman's daughter.
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@Castin
Jairus was male and the favour was to him.
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@RationalMadman
The favor was to Jairus but the one he used his power to cure was the girl.
Don't get me wrong, I am totally open to the idea that he was gay. I feel scripture does not give us any indication on that count one way or the other, but it's certainly possible.
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@RationalMadman
Every single disciple and person Jesus used his power on to cure was male, correct?It's as if female attention and loyalty meant absolutely nothing to him.
I don't know much - but he brought back a female girl from the dead and in the same passage cured a lady who had been bleeding for 12 years. He also spoke to a gentile lady and cured her daughter from demons.
I don't think there is ANY evidence to support Jesus being gay. Nor that he was married to a lady either.
Just saying.
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@Timid8967
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence indeed, in fact when he talks about why it's a sin to act on the urges it strongly implies he knows what it is to want to sleep with a man as one would with a woman, whereas in OT it was spoken of in third person and with rage towards it.
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@Timid8967
Unlike in Leviticus and the Old Testament in general, Jesus and the NT strongly imply and even express acceptance that the urges exist and to fight homosexuality with the humble acceptance the sexuality won't ever really disappear as the struggle is ongoing.
@ Rational Madman
Every single disciple and person Jesus used his power on to cure was male, correct?
No,not correct. His alleged ` powers ` the gospels say were used in aid of women too.
It's as if female attention and loyalty meant absolutely nothing to him.
Well that is probably not true either. Jesus had women followers that he seemed to love above the men in his outfit or so the men believed. And the bible states that Jesus and other the male followers of his, lived off and sponged off the women of substance in his circle.
But we also know that the attitude towards women by some characters in the bible and other Apocrypha is nothing short of diabolical. Peter for instance, telling Jesus that Mary Magdalene "wasn't worthy of life"!
That said there is biblical story of a ` male youth `caught running naked from a house where Jesus was staying. So who knows what was going on there?
Jesus could well have been married too. I am not sure but if he indeed was a " Rabbi" then Marriage may have been a requirement of the times?
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@Timid8967
I don't know much
I agree.
And after just one single reading you would like bible condemned to the flames.
I find it miraculous that you , after just one single reading have managed to point to three separate occasions where Jesus is said to have came to the aid of women. But then equally miraculous that you didn't mention that Jesus also saved the "adulteress from being stoned to death". But you did well I must say, and after just one reading. 10/10
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@RationalMadman
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence indeed, in fact when he talks about why it's a sin to act on the urges it strongly implies he knows what it is to want to sleep with a man as one would with a woman, whereas in OT it was spoken of in third person and with rage towards it.
He talks about adultery as well. He talks against murder too. None of these imply he engaged in thinking about these things.
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@Stephen
And after just one single reading you would like bible condemned to the flames.I find it miraculous that you , after just one single reading have managed to point to three separate occasions where Jesus is said to have came to the aid of women. But then equally miraculous that you didn't mention that Jesus also saved the "adulteress from being stoned to death". But you did well I must say, and after just one reading. 10/10
I have read the bible once from cover to cover. I have also read lots of others parts from time to time as well. And I also know how to google. So what? It is tenor of the bible as an entirety that gives me reason for it be destroyed.
I'm not even talking about him helping people, I'm talking about his disciples. That was pretty gay pro'lly.
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@Timid8967
He talks about adultery as well. He talks against murder too. None of these imply he engaged in thinking about these things.
He probably would be adulterous if he were in a relationship, he strikes me as a very polyamorous dude.
As for 'murder' he speaks strongly against it, on the other hand homosexuality he barely touches on other than gently hinting at that we should resist lust in general overall.
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@Stephen
No,not correct. His alleged ` powers ` the gospels say were used in aid of women too.
such as?
Well that is probably not true either. Jesus had women followers that he seemed to love above the men in his outfit or so the men believed. And the bible states that Jesus and other the male followers of his, lived off and sponged off the women of substance in his circle.
Which female followers were believed to be loved above the men in his outfit?
Living off and sponging off isn't at all the same as attraction.
@ RationalMadman,
No,not correct. His alleged ` powers ` the gospels say were used in aid of women too.such as?
Well that is probably not true either. Jesus had women followers that he seemed to love above the men in his outfit or so the men believed. And the bible states that Jesus and other the male followers of his, lived off and sponged off the women of substance in his circle.Which female followers were believed to be loved above the men in his outfit?
Have you ever read the scriptures for yourself?
Living off and sponging off isn't at all the same as attraction.
Well living off and sponging off are my words. But the bible makes it clear that it was the women that had supported them "of their substance".
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@Stephen
I said Jesus was homosexual, not all of his disciples who may have been bi or hetero.
I said Jesus was homosexual, not all of his disciples who may have been bi or hetero.
Yes, so? And your title is a question and not a statement, isn't it?
You haven't told us why you believe Jesus was a homosexual. Do the scriptures indicate this? Then how do they?
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@Stephen
It's both. You just want boring, done and dusted topics in the Religion forums to do your done and dusted responses with.
This thread and all the threads I make are meant to ask mind-probing questions that encourage people to think creatively to support or oppose it. You are just being an emotionally blind robot here and that's your issue.
I have read some of the bible yes, not all of it in depth. It's a nice enough story for a skimread.
t's both. You just want boring, done and dusted topics in the Religion forums to do your done and dusted responses with.
I don't agree with that at all. You have had good responses plus more.
This thread and all the threads I make are meant to ask mind-probing questions that encourage people to think creatively to support or oppose it.
Good. And I and others have given you just that. Most seem to oppose what you are saying, others have given you something to think about. What more do you want?
You are just being an emotionally blind robot here and that's your issue.
I hold no "emotion" whatsoever for those unreliable ambiguous scriptures, and you can take that to the bank , sunshine.
I have read some of the bible yes, not all of it in depth.
You should try it in depth, it may cause you to think before you post about something you know nothing about.
It's a nice enough story for a skimread.
Torturing a man to near to death and nailing him to a cross to die as a blood sacrifice for something that I have apparently done is NOT "a nice fkn story"!
And you missed my question , you know , one of the "MIND PROBING questions" that you tell us you hoped would be raised by your thread.
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You haven't told us why you believe Jesus was a homosexual. Do the scriptures indicate this? Then how do they?
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@RationalMadman
Jairus was male and the favour was to him.
What about the resurrection of Lazarus as a favor to Mary?
And if prolonged interaction with males = gay, then how would you characterize this predominantly "male" forum?
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@Stephen
Maybe you can't enjoy a tragic ending, I can. It's a nice story.
You are only here to antagonise and abuse, it sums up every single interaction you have. You're neither here to understand, nor to entertain let alone convince.
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@Timid8967
#7
Beautiful.
Not that we can be certain that all girls are female these days.
And one would assume that a women who had been bleeding for 12 years, would have died 11 and a bit years ago....LOL
And most of the evidence would suggest that Jesus preferred male company, and never married any variously gendered person.
And one must consider that in biblical times, just as now in certain countries, women were not regarded as being worthy of much of a mention.
And Jesus's sexuality wasn't really a necessary part of the plot....So feel free to re-write the script.....Arabian Stallions could be the working title.
@ rational madman
I said Jesus was homosexual, not all of his disciples who may have been bi or hetero.
You haven't told us why you believe Jesus was a homosexual. Do the scriptures indicate this? Then how do they?
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@Athias
This forum has no bodily contact, face-to-face interactions or even in general much socialising. Jesus went out of his way to prove that he valued males far above females in general. Mary and the Lazarus situation is fascinating actually, the relationship and sappy way Jesus over-empathises with her is much more of a 'I feel your pain guuurl' in a way he hadn't done with males in the story thus far.
Nonetheless, he doesn't express any deep attraction to her as anything outside the friend zone... John and some others, he does.
When Jesus performs miracles on males it's like he's got this deep urge to make them as spectacular and known as possible. If/when he did anything for or to females, it was merely a 'yeah whatever' moment for him and he focused more on the pain than the theater, which is very rare for him as he was extremely histrionic.
He is definitely a 'bottom' not a 'top' if you catch my drift. He liked males and masculinity in an attracted way while appreciating femininity in a subtle 'well duh' way. He understood females and their emotions in ways most straight men back then couldn't dream of, yet he didn't display the same understanding to most males and instead converted them to be more effeminate and caring or... Well, he died trying to do so.
It is extremely possible that the sin Eve committed wasn't eating an apple, it was doing something graphic with her throat and a 'snake' ('the devil' that was yet to come which isn't Lucifer as I explain in another theory of mine), cheating on Adam. The inverse of it would be to want to passionately do what Eve did but resist the temptation. If Jesus merely resisted heterosexual sex with females, that is not directly the act or type of thing Eve did. Jesus dying can't possibly atone for her and all our sins, that's ridiculous. Jesus atoned for her sin by being wired as she was towards the affliction for submitting to dominant males but he happened to refuse to do so, or so the story implies.
Jesus dying on a cross willingly, doesn't in any shape or form undo the wrongness of our sins. That would even symbolically never make sense and is a fundamentally flawed concept in Christianity.
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@Stephen
I've already discussed other matters with you before where you ask for direct quotations that explicitly state what I say is implied. Even if I take you to sections that imply he had homosexual attraction to John and Peter, you won't care to notice the alternate interpretation.
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@zedvictor4
#7Beautiful.Not that we can be certain that all girls are female these days.And one would assume that a women who had been bleeding for 12 years, would have died 11 and a bit years ago....LOLAnd most of the evidence would suggest that Jesus preferred male company, and never married any variously gendered person.And one must consider that in biblical times, just as now in certain countries, women were not regarded as being worthy of much of a mention.And Jesus's sexuality wasn't really a necessary part of the plot....So feel free to re-write the script.....Arabian Stallions could be the working title.
HI zed, thanks for responding to me. It might help some realise that you are not me. still, i'm not sure what your point is. I thinking sarcasm - but hard to tell. Apologies if I have misread you.
But I think you are correct - Jesus' sexuality is not part of the plot. At least as far as I can tell.
@ RationalMadman,
I've already discussed other matters with you before where you ask for direct quotations that explicitly state what I say is implied.
I have simply asked you on this occasion to show us what it is in the bible that causes you to believe that Jesus was homosexual. You must remember it was for the best part a male dominated time that Jesus lived in. As many places around the world still are .
Even if I take you to sections that imply he had homosexual attraction to John and Peter,
Then please do, lets see them. And have you forgotten already that it was I that mentioned the naked youth story to you? HERE>>> #11
you won't care to notice the alternate interpretation.
You don't know that. And I am forever suggesting an alternate story to the Jesus story that we have had force fed to us for over 2000 years, so I can hardly hold your version of events or your own belief and interpretation of the scriptures against you, even if I don't agree with you and believe you to be wrong.