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@Tarik
Then swap out free will with perception if it makes you feel better, either way He doesn’t interfere.
Then he doesn’t
want everyone to believe in him.
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@Elliott
That's because atheists are just monotheist with angst.
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@Tarik
Suicide isn't explicitly prohibited in the Bible.Thou shall not kill.
And yet the god of the Bible commands or condones the Israelites to kill. Plus, killing is absolutely required for sacrifices and the crucifixion of Jesus.
Besides this commandment being rather flexible, there is no concrete indication suicide is disallowed by it. I don't know about you, but it seems an onminiscient being would have made it clear if he/she had an issue with suicide.
a religion built on the BibleHow can a religion be built on a book when people and their beliefs existed long before books ever did.
Sloppy wording on my part. What I mean to say is the Bible is foundational to Christianity. No one alive today could have been eye-witness to the life/death of Jesus or the destruction of the temple. No one alive during the life of Jesus could have been witness to the Exodus, the battle of Jericho, or the seige of Jerusalem.
The point being, ignorance of your holy book isn't a defense to legitimate criticism of your religious position.
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@SkepticalOne
What I mean to say is the Bible is foundational to Christianity. No one alive today could have been eye-witness to the life/death of Jesus or the destruction of the temple. No one alive during the life of Jesus could have been witness to the Exodus, the battle of Jericho, or the seige of Jerusalem.
That is why the Bible is important. It is a record of what other eyewitnesses saw and heard during their generation. The Bible serves as a book on the history of the Jewish people.
The point being, ignorance of your holy book isn't a defense to legitimate criticism of your religious position.
The Bible was not written so future generation could criticize the Jews. It was written to preserve the Jewish struggles with their God.
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@Polytheist-Witch
That's because atheists are just monotheist with angst.
I’m not against monotheism only when it tries to impose its beliefs
on others.
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@Elliott
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That's because atheists are just monotheist with angst.
I’m not against monotheism only when it tries to impose its beliefs on others.
Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Monotheism definition: monotheism, belief in the existence of one god, or in the oneness of God. As such, it is distinguished from polytheism, the belief in the existence of many ...
Angst definition: a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general.
Polytheist-Witch needs help with the proper definition of words so she can make sensible posts.
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@3RU7AL
Numbers 31:17-18
Again that’s Old Testament.
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@Elliott
Then he doesn’t want everyone to believe in him.
Or He does conditionally.
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@Tarik
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Then he doesn’t want everyone to believe in him.
Or He does conditionally.
By offering so many options we have a diversity of conflicting beliefs.
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@SkepticalOne
Besides this commandment being rather flexible
How do you know it’s flexible in regards to suicide?
The point being, ignorance of your holy book isn't a defense to legitimate criticism of your religious position.
My religious position? Aren’t you the one that said
I'd be happy to hear your views
Well I guess theirs nothing to hear since you seem to know me better than myself.
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@Shila
By offering so many options we have a diversity of conflicting beliefs.
Not on this end you do.
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@Tarik
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By offering so many options we have a diversity of conflicting beliefs.
Not on this end you do.
Which end are you speaking from?
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@Tarik
Or He does conditionally.
Unless you state what those conditions are that is pretty meaningless.
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@Shila
That is why the Bible is important. It is a record of what other eyewitnesses saw and heard during their generation. The Bible serves as a book on the history of the Jewish people.
Full disclosure: I'm not convinced the Bible represents eye-witness or literal accounts...at least not completely. Some of the 'history' didn't actually happen or can't be verified. Eg. Global flood, the Exodus, The dead rising as Jesus died, etc. Some of the purported eye-witness accounts are merely attributions added to anonymous Gospels. I think it is fair to say, the Bible represents a mixture of history and myth.
The Bible was not written so future generation could criticize the Jews.
The Bible was written over thousands of years by many many writers. Each probably had a different set of motivations. I would agree none probably intended to provide room for criticism, but claiming to speak for a perfect deity in an imperfect way provides ample room for it.
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@Tarik
How do you know it’s flexible in regards to suicide?
How do you know its not? As already mentioned, it's explicit meaning isn't taken as an absolute by the deity or its followers within the Bible itself.
My religious position? Aren’t you the one that said
The context of that comment was in regards to your dismissal of my earlier criticism.
I'd be happy to hear your viewsWell I guess theirs nothing to hear since you seem to know me better than myself.
I am happy to hear your views, but I won't be disengaging skepticism, critical thinking, or allow distraction from points you've failed to address in the process. This thread is about arguments for god and in that context I consider your responses.
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@SkepticalOne
-> @Shila
That is why the Bible is important. It is a record of what other eyewitnesses saw and heard during their generation. The Bible serves as a book on the history of the Jewish people.
Full disclosure: I'm not convinced the Bible represents eye-witness or literal accounts...at least not completely. Some of the 'history' didn't actually happen or can't be verified. Eg. Global flood, the Exodus, The dead rising as Jesus died, etc. Some of the purported eye-witness accounts are merely attributions added to anonymous Gospels. I think it is fair to say, the Bible represents a mixture of history and myth.
The Bible was not written so future generation could criticize the Jews.
The Bible was written over thousands of years by many many writers. Each probably had a different set of motivations. I would agree none probably intended to provide room for criticism, but claiming to speak for a perfect deity in an imperfect way provides ample room for it.
Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophesies in the Bible. The promised messiah to the Jews and God the Trinity to the Christians.
The scriptures clearly state faith and belief is required in the Bible to achieve salvation.
You by your denial and doubts have none of the above blessings.
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@Shila
Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophesies in the Bible.
Harry Potter fulfills the prophecy of the Harry Potter series. All you're saying is that the Bible is internally consistent.
I'm more interested in what's actually true in the real world rather than internal consistency.
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@SkepticalOne
--> @ShilaJesus was the fulfillment of the prophesies in the Bible.Harry Potter fulfills the prophecy of the Harry Potter series. All you're saying is that the Bible is internally consistent.I'm more interested in what's actually true in the real world rather than internal consistency
With over 2 billion Christians Christianity is a fact. Christians converted because they believe the Bible, that too is a fact.
The Bible must be internally consistent to Christians for them to commit their lives to Jesus Christ.
Harry Potter has yet to stand the test of time.
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@Shila
With over 2 billion Christians Christianity is a fact. Christians converted because they believe the Bible, that too is a fact.The Bible must be internally consistent to Christians for them to commit their lives to Jesus Christ.
if it's so consistent
why are there over a thousand christian denominations ?
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@3RU7AL
--> @ShilaWith over 2 billion Christians Christianity is a fact. Christians converted because they believe the Bible, that too is a fact.The Bible must be internally consistent to Christians for them to commit their lives to Jesus Christ.if it's so consistentwhy are there over a thousand christian denominations ?
The Bible is consistent, but that does not imply those that convert to Christianity are consistent. Hence the variety of Christian denominations.
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@Shila
Which end are you speaking from?
Mine
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@Elliott
Unless you state what those conditions are that is pretty meaningless.
He doesn’t interfere.
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@SkepticalOne
As already mentioned, it's explicit meaning isn't taken as an absolute by the deity or its followers within the Bible itself.
Except none of those excerpts you mentioned in The Bible pertains to suicide.
The context of that comment was in regards to your dismissal of my earlier criticism.
The only thing you criticized was The Bible in which I conceded I was no expert on.
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@Tarik
He doesn’t interfere.
Then that would make praying to ask for God’s help pretty pointless.
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@Shila
The Bible is consistent, but that does not imply those that convert to Christianity are consistent. Hence the variety of Christian denominations.
what good is a consistent text
if the people who purportedly believe and follow those instructions
can't agree on the interpretation ?
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@3RU7AL
--> @ShilaThe Bible is consistent, but that does not imply those that convert to Christianity are consistent. Hence the variety of Christian denominations.what good is a consistent textif the people who purportedly believe and follow those instructionscan't agree on the interpretation ?
The good is people are not abandoning the Bible. They are just reacting differently.
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@Shila
The good is people are not abandoning the Bible. They are just reacting differently.
well, if you get it wrong
does that mean you won't get into heaven ?
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@3RU7AL
PM--> @ShilaThe good is people are not abandoning the Bible. They are just reacting differently.well, if you get it wrongdoes that mean you won't get into heaven ?
You will not be judged for reacting differently but for rejecting the word of God.
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@Shila
does that mean you won't get into heaven ?You will not be judged for reacting differently but for rejecting the word of God.
ok, that's good
so, all denominations of christianity are equally correct
as long as they "don't reject" the modern version of the bible that was composed by the council of nicaea 325 years after the reported execution of the jesus
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@Elliott
Then that would make praying to ask for God’s help pretty pointless.
Not as pointless as praying to a God you don’t believe in.