Seems we are confused about what constitutes a spirit being. Spirit matter is still matter. It just does not have properties we currently understand as being material, or physical, if you want to use that gross concept [gross in the meaning that it is not specified sufficiently]. Spirit matter is refined, and, typically, not seen - as if "seeing" were the only means of its sensation. Consider it something like water, which actually exists in at least three forms: liquid, solid, and gas. There is, however, a fourth. Liquid water requires a. minimum of six molecules of H2O to exhibit as liquid. Five or less, it is not liquid, but something else. It's not solid, and its not really gas, even though the molecule is a combination of two gasses. Spirit matter is something like that. A plasma? Perhaps that is the best scientific description.